Should Kyrsten Sinema be primaried?
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« Reply #50 on: March 08, 2021, 10:24:00 AM »

Yup, she's a huge disappointment. But it needs an alternative able to win in a state like AZ. That said, Sinema (and Manchin) currently hold so much power because we have a 50-50 senate. If Dems are back in the minority, it would matter far less. Same if Dems manage to expand their razor thin majority to 52 seats.
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« Reply #51 on: March 08, 2021, 10:33:59 AM »

Sinema is a Democrat. Sorry that reality doesn't care for your idiotic litmus tests!

Nah, emphatically voting against a minimum wage increase after campaigning on the idea that you grew up poor and needed government assistance to survive is a level of out-of-touchness that is reserved typically for Republicans. Not to mention the filibuster thing and voting with Trump over 50% of the time during her time in Congress. She may have been a Democratic 20-30 years ago, but not anymore. But 20-30 years ago, she was actually progressive. Funny how things change.
She was a green party member 20 years ago. More evidence for my theory she is a sabetour.

I liked PSOL's idea that she's an accelerationist. Maybe in her heady radical days someone turned her on to the work of Nick Land (before he became an esoteric neofascist) and she decided that the best way to fight for socialism was to take apart the state machinery from the inside by hitting hard on its most unpopular weaknesses. That I could at least respect in theory, although her actions are still reprehensible and either way my answer to the titular question of this thread it "f[inks] yes."
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« Reply #52 on: March 08, 2021, 01:43:05 PM »
« Edited: March 08, 2021, 01:47:40 PM by AGA »

Democrats shouldn't be like the Republicans in that any ideological nonconformity is stamped out. Just because you don't agree with the exact figure of $15 doesn't mean that you oppose an increase in the minimum wage. Manchin supports a $11 minimum wage, for example. There are good faith reasons to oppose $15. Many economists believe that the minimum wage should be somewhere between 50 to 60% of the median wage. Any higher would run this risk of running into bad employment outcomes. This range would be a bit under $15 for the US as a whole, but the median wage varies widely from state to state. Some rural states could be disproportionally affected by this increase in the minimum wage. I personally support a $12 federal minimum wage to not leave these states out, but I also support the current policy in New York, where certain areas are moving to a $15 minimum wage at their own pace.
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« Reply #53 on: March 08, 2021, 01:46:43 PM »

Absolutely. We won the Senate off of two candidates who unapologetically supported Joe Biden's agenda - namely Build Back Better. It's time for everyone else to get in line.
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« Reply #54 on: March 09, 2021, 10:58:31 AM »

Sinema (a) is a 100% reliable vote on any piece of D legislation whenever her vote is actually needed, (b) has proven herself capable of fooling gullible R voters into supporting her in a manner that the Democrat running for an open seat might not be able to replicate, (c) is representing a purple state where persuasion still matters to a greater extent than in a pure base turnout state like GA, (d) is likely to run ahead of Biden/Harris in a state where Republicans still have some down-ballot strength left and the presidential race is likely to be close.

So, yes (R).
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« Reply #55 on: March 09, 2021, 11:09:17 AM »

Yes

In 2018, she was the only Democrat who could win. Now, a generic Democrat can win. She is too weird who wears purple wigs on the senate floor ugh
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« Reply #56 on: March 09, 2021, 12:56:07 PM »

Yes she should be, and she definitely will be at this point. I only hope that she is challenged by a serious candidate and not some Cenk Uygur type weirdo destined for failure.
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« Reply #57 on: March 09, 2021, 01:03:20 PM »

Yes

In 2018, she was the only Democrat who could win. Now, a generic Democrat can win. She is too weird who wears purple wigs on the senate floor ugh

Care to let us in on the reason(s) why Greg Stanton or Mark Kelly would have lost in 2018...? (unless you were being sarcastic, in which case well done)
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« Reply #58 on: March 09, 2021, 01:19:56 PM »

Yes

In 2018, she was the only Democrat who could win. Now, a generic Democrat can win. She is too weird who wears purple wigs on the senate floor ugh

Care to let us in on the reason(s) why Greg Stanton or Mark Kelly would have lost in 2018...? (unless you were being sarcastic, in which case well done)

This is kind of besides the point, but I find it funny when people act like Martha McSally is the weakest candidate of all time or that Sinema is the best considering that, as far as I can tell, McSally and Sinema performed as generic republican/democrat in 2018 considering the national margin and Arizona's lean.
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« Reply #59 on: March 09, 2021, 01:38:09 PM »

Yes

In 2018, she was the only Democrat who could win. Now, a generic Democrat can win. She is too weird who wears purple wigs on the senate floor ugh

Care to let us in on the reason(s) why Greg Stanton or Mark Kelly would have lost in 2018...? (unless you were being sarcastic, in which case well done)

cuz he didn’t wear a pink tutu, obviously.
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« Reply #60 on: March 09, 2021, 01:38:14 PM »
« Edited: March 09, 2021, 01:53:22 PM by VBNMWEB »

Threads like this make Atlas look like a meme. EVERY politician “deserves” to be primaried. No one deserves to be re-elected/nominated without any opposition
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« Reply #61 on: March 09, 2021, 02:36:27 PM »

Yes

In 2018, she was the only Democrat who could win. Now, a generic Democrat can win. She is too weird who wears purple wigs on the senate floor ugh

Care to let us in on the reason(s) why Greg Stanton or Mark Kelly would have lost in 2018...? (unless you were being sarcastic, in which case well done)
I meant the of the declared canidates in 2018
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« Reply #62 on: March 09, 2021, 02:50:47 PM »

Yes

In 2018, she was the only Democrat who could win. Now, a generic Democrat can win. She is too weird who wears purple wigs on the senate floor ugh

Care to let us in on the reason(s) why Greg Stanton or Mark Kelly would have lost in 2018...? (unless you were being sarcastic, in which case well done)
I meant the of the declared canidates in 2018

Thanks for clarifying. Given that there was only one other Democrat on the ballot and that Democrat at no point during the campaign posed a serious threat to her, that’s not saying much, though.
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« Reply #63 on: March 09, 2021, 02:52:11 PM »

Absolutely, though I don’t think she’d lose a primary, so the hand-wringing in this thread is pretty much irrelevant. I get that Democrats can’t do better than Manchin in West Virginia, but several swing states have solidly left-leaning Senators, so it’s not like a more progressive Democrat would be DOA in AZ. Also, Sinema herself would not be a lock for re-election, despite some people acting like she would be.
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« Reply #64 on: March 09, 2021, 02:56:32 PM »

Threads like this make Atlas look like a meme. EVERY politician “deserves” to be primaried. No one deserves to be re-elected/nominated without any opposition

Fully agree. I really dislike the tendency for politicians, especially in safe seats, to never face any serious primary challenge. That's why there is so much corruption and complacency in the government, because politicians know that they'll never face any consequences. We need to keep our politicians accountable.
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« Reply #65 on: March 10, 2021, 03:44:42 PM »

Yes

In 2018, she was the only Democrat who could win. Now, a generic Democrat can win. She is too weird who wears purple wigs on the senate floor ugh

There are valid reasons to want her to be primaried but her exceptional, refreshing, and daring fashion sense that laughs in the face of the stodgy senate rules is not one of them.
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« Reply #66 on: March 10, 2021, 11:05:50 PM »

Yes

In 2018, she was the only Democrat who could win. Now, a generic Democrat can win. She is too weird who wears purple wigs on the senate floor ugh

There are valid reasons to want her to be primaried but her exceptional, refreshing, and daring fashion sense that laughs in the face of the stodgy senate rules is not one of them.
Maybe I’m a little old fashion than
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« Reply #67 on: March 11, 2021, 10:02:52 AM »

Ruben Gallego should consider a primary challenge to Sinema, if he doesn't run for governor.
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« Reply #68 on: March 11, 2021, 10:51:14 AM »

Sinema (a) is a 100% reliable vote on any piece of D legislation whenever her vote is actually needed, (b) has proven herself capable of fooling gullible R voters into supporting her in a manner that the Democrat running for an open seat might not be able to replicate, (c) is representing a purple state where persuasion still matters to a greater extent than in a pure base turnout state like GA, (d) is likely to run ahead of Biden/Harris in a state where Republicans still have some down-ballot strength left and the presidential race is likely to be close.

So, yes (R).
She doesn't support nixing the filibuster like nearly all dems do and is unclear on whether or not she supports reforming the filibuster like Manchin.
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« Reply #69 on: March 11, 2021, 02:13:51 PM »

So sick of Green Party loonies infiltrating the Democratic Party with their pie in the sky agenda, we need a real pragmatic Democrat like Ruben Gallego in that seat.

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