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« Reply #25 on: March 06, 2021, 10:13:13 PM »
« edited: March 06, 2021, 10:38:50 PM by Liberal Hack »

There isn't some magical force saying a state will magically become more republican cause of "MUH blue collar whites". Democrats with the right message, national enviorment and opponents can win the state back.
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« Reply #26 on: March 06, 2021, 10:34:11 PM »

There isn't some magical force saying a state will magically become more republican cause of "MUH blue collar whites". Democrats with the right message, national neviorment and opponents can win the state back.
This will be true only once the Democratic Party repairs its image at the national level, unless their "right opponent" happens to be a Roy Moore again.
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« Reply #27 on: March 06, 2021, 10:39:49 PM »

There isn't some magical force saying a state will magically become more republican cause of "MUH blue collar whites". Democrats with the right message, national neviorment and opponents can win the state back.
This will be true only once the Democratic Party repairs its image at the national level, unless their "right opponent" happens to be a Roy Moore again.
Biden is already doing a good job, the current stimulus bill is the first creation of the so-called middle class welfare state with it's child tax credits. Blue Collar voters are going to love it and I'm reasonably confident that Biden will be winning Obama level margins with them in the coming election.
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« Reply #28 on: March 06, 2021, 11:06:28 PM »

There isn't some magical force saying a state will magically become more republican cause of "MUH blue collar whites". Democrats with the right message, national neviorment and opponents can win the state back.

Well, yes?. It isn’t “blue collar whites”, but more so “Non-College educated” whites as it is education, which is more and more becoming the main fault line in American politics, that is the sticking point. The more educated you are, the more likely you are to identify/ vote for Democrats, and vise versa for Republicans. This trend has accelerated in recent years. Only about 28% of people in Ohio have a bachelor’s degree (or greater), that’s on par with states like Missouri, North Dakota, and Wyoming.

Just look at this country map detailing the statewide degree attainment rate in each country, from the Ohio Department of Higher Education’s 2019 attainment report:




The counties with the lowest attainment rates (sub 25%) are the ones that have swung the hardest to the right over that past decade. (And of course, the ones with a higher than average attainment rate have moved towards the Democrats as of recent, notably Delaware County.

It isn’t a “magical force”, but it’s pretty obvious that their is a correlation between a state having a lower amount of degree holders, and the state becoming more Republican. Which is exactly the case in Ohio. The right “message” or “opponent” won’t change that. And sure, Ohio could flip with the right national environment, but given that said environment would have to be D+13 or more, it’s pretty safe to say that Ohio is Safe R.
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« Reply #29 on: March 08, 2021, 12:10:38 PM »

Donald Trump wasn’t some uniquely popular figure in OH and IA — the split on Trump favorable/unfavorable was 50/49 according to the exits, it’s just that his job approval (54/45) was higher than that (no reason to believe that some other, far more competent Republican wouldn’t have scored as well as Trump if not better in that regard) and that views on Biden were more unfavorable at 44/54 (no reason to believe this is peculiar to Biden rather than the D party as a whole).

It’s not more likely to flip just because Trump’s not on the ballot unless Democrats benefit from a significantly more favorable environment than in 2020.
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« Reply #30 on: March 08, 2021, 12:16:42 PM »

Donald Trump wasn’t some uniquely popular figure in OH and IA — the split on Trump favorable/unfavorable was 50/49 according to the exits, it’s just that his job approval (54/45) was higher than that (no reason to believe that some other, far more competent Republican wouldn’t have scored as well as Trump if not better in that regard) and that views on Biden were more unfavorable at 44/54 (no reason to believe this is peculiar to Biden rather than the D party as a whole).

It’s not more likely to flip just because Trump’s not on the ballot unless Democrats benefit from a significantly more favorable environment than in 2020.

Yeah it seems that some people forget that congressional democrats actually lost by a 14 points margin in Ohio last year, 6 points worse than Biden.

The idea that Ohio is a swing state without Trump on the ballot is not backed by the facts (just look at 2018 results).
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