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« on: March 06, 2021, 07:48:46 AM »

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/06/us/politics/ohio-senate-race.html

The delusion is real.
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« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2021, 07:59:56 AM »

LOL
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« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2021, 08:04:54 AM »

It's not as impossible as it would be with Trump on the ballot, but this race is on Republicans to lose, not Democrats to win.
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« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2021, 08:08:28 AM »


It seems that way, but a part of me suspects the headline was concocted as an excuse for NYT journos to keep harassing random men in Ohioan diners.
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« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2021, 08:13:42 AM »

Dems would need a strong, populist candidate and a flawless campaign.

Those are 3 different things and I don’t have trust in the Dems achieving even one or two of them ...
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« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2021, 09:14:25 AM »

It's not as impossible as it would be with Trump on the ballot, but this race is on Republicans to lose, not Democrats to win.
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« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2021, 09:34:20 AM »

Safe R..  despite the weakness of Mandel and Timken.
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« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2021, 09:40:42 AM »

Dems would need a strong, populist candidate and a flawless campaign.

Those are 3 different things and I don’t have trust in the Dems achieving even one or two of them ...

Dave Chappelle could do it with an Indy campaign endorsed by Dems.
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« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2021, 09:49:20 AM »

Dems would need a strong, populist candidate and a flawless campaign.

Those are 3 different things and I don’t have trust in the Dems achieving even one or two of them ...

It would not be enough, Cordray met all the three criterias, you also need a very pro dem environment and a flawed republican candidate (like Renacci).
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« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2021, 09:49:42 AM »

It's not as impossible as it would be with Trump on the ballot, but this race is on Republicans to lose, not Democrats to win.

Yeah, no. Ohio being Safe R has nothing to do with Trump being “on the ballot”.
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« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2021, 09:53:45 AM »


I'm not sure which party is more delusionnal... the VA GOP or the OH dem party ?
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« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2021, 10:07:42 AM »

Safe R..  despite the weakness of Mandel and Timken.

Why do you think that Timken would be a weak candidate ? (Actually she looks quite impressive)
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« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2021, 11:13:14 AM »
« Edited: March 06, 2021, 11:17:18 AM by Sir Mohamed »

Ugh, not happening.

Best case is picking up 2 of PA, NC or WI while all Dems up for reelection win their bids. Realistically, 2022 will be a wash in the senate if we're cautiously optimistic. But I could imagine at least one incumbent losing while Dems narrowly miss to pick up any seats.
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« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2021, 11:21:30 AM »

Admittedly, sometimes I do wish it could be 2004 or 2006 again for various reasons, but I don't think that time works that way
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« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2021, 11:27:06 AM »
« Edited: March 06, 2021, 11:33:27 AM by Congrats, Griffin! »

I stopped reading when they called Rob Portman a “moderate” Roll Eyes

It's not as impossible as it would be with Trump on the ballot, but this race is on Republicans to lose, not Democrats to win.

That’s a good way to put it.  
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« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2021, 12:16:22 PM »

It's not as impossible as it would be with Trump on the ballot, but this race is on Republicans to lose, not Democrats to win.

Coming from you, that is surprisingly optimistic for Democrats.
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« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2021, 12:22:10 PM »

52 votes is what matters, NC is the tipping pt but yeah, if Cranley runs for Gov, DeWine can't portray him as Cordray.

NC will be tipping pt due to fact Jeff Jackson can get WC female vote especially after Insurrectionists and it will clinch the Senate at 52 votes without OH and GA will go to a Runoff
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« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2021, 12:25:08 PM »

It's not as impossible as it would be with Trump on the ballot, but this race is on Republicans to lose, not Democrats to win.

Snowlabrador doesn't realize that Biden has the same exact Approvals as Bush W did in 2001-2005 50 percent and Prez don't lose seats when they are at 50 percent

Bush W was popular after 911 but this is a free website anybody can say anything politically
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« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2021, 02:49:18 PM »


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« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2021, 02:57:28 PM »



You may laugh but Biden is at Bush W level of Approvals and he net seats in 2022, and we will in 2002, but this is Sir Woodbury
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« Reply #20 on: March 06, 2021, 02:58:24 PM »



You may laugh but Biden is at Bush W level of Approvals and he net seats in 2002
He who laughs has the last laugh.
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« Reply #21 on: March 06, 2021, 03:00:25 PM »

They can believe whatever they want, but Ds were supposed to have Speaker Gephardt in 2002 and Biden is popular due to 2K checks like Bush W was after 911

But, Rs believe in tax cuts not stimulus
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« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2021, 05:49:32 PM »

It's not that Dems CAN'T win Ohio, it's just that if they do it almost certainly is their 54th seat if not 55th (depending on Rubio in FL, possible open Iowa). Hard to see a scenario where they don't win PA, WI, NC before Ohio and judging by past midterm patterns those 3 are by far the realistic flips not Ohio.
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« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2021, 07:38:28 PM »

DeWine is far the most likely red state R to go down and the Rs have a Josh Mandel problem, if he wins the nomination over Trumps hand picked successor which is likely, Tim Ryan is likely to beat him

Dems will have a far better nominee for Gov than lackluster Cordray, Cranley is only 46 and mayor from Cincinnati.

Reynolds and DeSantis are far less likely to lose than DeWine, don't forget DeWine won by 3 in 2018 and he also lost to Sherrod Brown in 2006 for Senate, Rs act like he never lost a race before and DeWine did to Sherrod Brown
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« Reply #24 on: March 06, 2021, 07:43:55 PM »

Admittedly, sometimes I do wish it could be 2004 or 2006 again for various reasons, but I don't think that time works that way

2003-2008 was arguably the best political and cultural time for the anti-establishment left. There was no Twitter. No woke crap. Just an organized group dedicated to fighting the war and torture.

Also, the music was better. American Idiot was the defining album of the decade. It was like the Millennials' version of the 60's.
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