2000: Trump/Graham(d) vs Bush/Cheney(r)
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« on: August 19, 2021, 07:29:09 PM »

So, how does the election look?
How different do party coalitions in ttl's 2021 look compared to our world's 2021?

Assume Trump got the nomination after some finance scandal in '99 takes out Gore's chances and he decides to barge into an open democratic primary to win.
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« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2021, 09:16:24 PM »
« Edited: August 19, 2021, 09:41:43 PM by Soc. Dem Paleocon »

Interesting map, but Trump is an interesting candidate.



Businessman Donald Trump/Governor Bob Graham; 295 E.V./48.2% P.V.
Governor George W. Bush/Defense Secretary Dick Cheney; 243 E.V./46.1% P.V.

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Governor Bill Weld/Joint Chief of Staff Colin Powell; 306 E.V./51.3% P.V.
President Donald Trump/Vice President Bob Graham; 232 E.V./46.9% P.V.

Despite lower conservative turnout, many dissatisfied/establishment Dems crossed the line to endorse Weld/Powell, as he wins the first GOP victory since Bush Sr. in 1988. Political pundits and analysts compare the 2004 election to the 1992 election and believe that Weld is the Republican's answer to Bill Clinton and Al Gore. Most shocking is the GOP's narrow flip of Minnesota, due to high urban turnout for Weld/Powell in the greater Minneapolis area. Illinois was also close to flipping for similar reasons, although Trump's domination across  the rural areas of the state kept it in the Trump column by a slim margin. This is also the first time that Illinois voted for the Democratic nominee without Cook county since 1912 which narrowly flipped by about 14,000 votes.
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« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2021, 10:11:32 PM »

uh, i said bush/cheney not alternate candidates -.-
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« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2021, 10:43:08 PM »


Businessman Donald Trump (D-NY) / Senator Bob Graham (D-FL)
Governor George Bush (R-TX) / Fmr. Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney (R-WY) ✓

Can't see Trump's nationalist, protectionist platform doing well at the peak of Pax Americana and before the Dotcom Crash/Great Recession/China's ascendence- that was the stuff of the militia movement and the wackiest of religious right paleocons. A takeover of the Democrats by Trump might as well be a takeover of the GOP by Ross Perot- a vanity campaign paying its way to the top of a party in serious disarray, rather than the organic rise Trump had in our world.
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« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2021, 09:22:23 AM »

strongly disagree with your map for this scenario but I do think that's a VERY realistic map/distribution of electoral votes in no-lewinsky scandal type worlds
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« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2021, 12:10:09 PM »

uh, i said bush/cheney not alternate candidates -.-
He did Bush/Cheney ffs,-.-
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