What could be the biggest state surprises in the apportionment/population data ?
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Tender Branson
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« on: March 29, 2021, 12:11:29 PM »

Which are out in 2-4 weeks ...

Will CA report more than 40 million and TX more than 30 million (after estimates being slightly below) ?

Will NC actually come out ahead of GA ?

MI above 10 million again ?

WA above 8 million already ?

Did CO overtake WI ?

OK at 4+ million ?

Has NV passed IA ?
 
Is WV closer to 1.7 than 1.8 million ?

DE above 1 million ?

Does MT get a 2nd seat ?
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« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2021, 01:49:17 PM »

The biggest surprise, almost by definition, is who wins the photo-finish race for the last seat, NY-26 or AL-07. It's going to affect both states maps quite a bit whether NY loses 2 and AL loses none or whether they both lose one.
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« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2021, 02:03:24 PM »

The biggest surprise, almost by definition, is who wins the photo-finish race for the last seat, NY-26 or AL-07. It's going to affect both states maps quite a bit whether NY loses 2 and AL loses none or whether they both lose one.
The biggest surprise would be neither of those states getting the 435th seat.
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« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2021, 07:54:38 PM »

The biggest surprise I see that is possible is Minnesota keeping it's 8th seat, due to its citizens known for turning out more than most of the country.
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« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2021, 02:31:28 PM »

ID pulls an upset and gets a 3rd seat. Considering how small the state is and how fast it's been growing, it doesn't take as big of an error as you might think.
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« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2021, 09:04:59 PM »

ID pulls an upset and gets a 3rd seat. Considering how small the state is and how fast it's been growing, it doesn't take as big of an error as you might think.

This would be a pleasant surprise of the redistricting cycle. I don't think I can wait another decade for Idaho to get its third seat lol. In all seriousness, however, Idaho's 2 seats will probably be ludicrously overpopulated by 2030. They'll be over 1.1 million people each in all likelihood.

In a fair 3 district map, the Boise seat could be competitive as soon as 2022 and could become increasingly blue and swingy as the decade goes on.
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« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2021, 05:00:00 AM »

ID pulls an upset and gets a 3rd seat. Considering how small the state is and how fast it's been growing, it doesn't take as big of an error as you might think.

This would be a pleasant surprise of the redistricting cycle. I don't think I can wait another decade for Idaho to get its third seat lol. In all seriousness, however, Idaho's 2 seats will probably be ludicrously overpopulated by 2030. They'll be over 1.1 million people each in all likelihood.

In a fair 3 district map, the Boise seat could be competitive as soon as 2022 and could become increasingly blue and swingy as the decade goes on.
2022 is...quite a bit early for a Boise CD to be competitive. NV-02 might sooner elect a Dem than a compact Boise district.
https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=416549.msg7811978#msg7811978
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« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2021, 12:22:16 PM »

ID pulls an upset and gets a 3rd seat. Considering how small the state is and how fast it's been growing, it doesn't take as big of an error as you might think.

This would be a pleasant surprise of the redistricting cycle. I don't think I can wait another decade for Idaho to get its third seat lol. In all seriousness, however, Idaho's 2 seats will probably be ludicrously overpopulated by 2030. They'll be over 1.1 million people each in all likelihood.

In a fair 3 district map, the Boise seat could be competitive as soon as 2022 and could become increasingly blue and swingy as the decade goes on.
2022 is...quite a bit early for a Boise CD to be competitive. NV-02 might sooner elect a Dem than a compact Boise district.
https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=416549.msg7811978#msg7811978

Not that it would be competitive always, but where Dems could occasionally have some fluky wins, like OK-5 or NM-2. Essentially where the Republicans couldn't do whatever they wanted and still win.
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« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2021, 02:13:08 PM »

ID pulls an upset and gets a 3rd seat. Considering how small the state is and how fast it's been growing, it doesn't take as big of an error as you might think.

This would be a pleasant surprise of the redistricting cycle. I don't think I can wait another decade for Idaho to get its third seat lol. In all seriousness, however, Idaho's 2 seats will probably be ludicrously overpopulated by 2030. They'll be over 1.1 million people each in all likelihood.

In a fair 3 district map, the Boise seat could be competitive as soon as 2022 and could become increasingly blue and swingy as the decade goes on.
2022 is...quite a bit early for a Boise CD to be competitive. NV-02 might sooner elect a Dem than a compact Boise district.
https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=416549.msg7811978#msg7811978

Not that it would be competitive always, but where Dems could occasionally have some fluky wins, like OK-5 or NM-2. Essentially where the Republicans couldn't do whatever they wanted and still win.
Ok, I suppose that is true. Not all kinds of competitive come in the same flavor after all.
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« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2021, 08:03:03 AM »

ID pulls an upset and gets a 3rd seat. Considering how small the state is and how fast it's been growing, it doesn't take as big of an error as you might think.

This would be a pleasant surprise of the redistricting cycle. I don't think I can wait another decade for Idaho to get its third seat lol. In all seriousness, however, Idaho's 2 seats will probably be ludicrously overpopulated by 2030. They'll be over 1.1 million people each in all likelihood.

In a fair 3 district map, the Boise seat could be competitive as soon as 2022 and could become increasingly blue and swingy as the decade goes on.
2022 is...quite a bit early for a Boise CD to be competitive. NV-02 might sooner elect a Dem than a compact Boise district.
https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=416549.msg7811978#msg7811978

Not that it would be competitive always, but where Dems could occasionally have some fluky wins, like OK-5 or NM-2. Essentially where the Republicans couldn't do whatever they wanted and still win.
Ok, I suppose that is true. Not all kinds of competitive come in the same flavor after all.

Idaho has a redistricting commission in its state constitution, so it is very likely that an all-Boise area district will be drawn whenever it gets a 3rd seat. 
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« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2021, 01:35:51 AM »

Montana gaining a second seat would be a non-surprise to me.  I would be surprised, however, if ID-3 came into being a decade early.
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« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2021, 04:13:22 PM »

Idaho has a redistricting commission in its state constitution, so it is very likely that an all-Boise area district will be drawn whenever it gets a 3rd seat. 

The way the Republican Party is going, it's more likely that the thing being drawn when the state gets a third seat will be a constitutional amendment.

They're going to spiral the districts out of Boise, like what's probably going to happen in Oklahoma (even though Oklahoma County is exactly the perfect size for a district right now).
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« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2021, 07:17:12 PM »

Idaho has a redistricting commission in its state constitution, so it is very likely that an all-Boise area district will be drawn whenever it gets a 3rd seat. 

The way the Republican Party is going, it's more likely that the thing being drawn when the state gets a third seat will be a constitutional amendment.

They're going to spiral the districts out of Boise, like what's probably going to happen in Oklahoma (even though Oklahoma County is exactly the perfect size for a district right now).

Any amendment repealing the commission would have get a 2/3rds majority in both chambers and then pass a statewide referendum.  In a world where Boise has moved far enough left that a competitive ID-03 is viable, they will likely lose the 2/3rds majority by then (remember, the existing state legislative districts will be commission drawn).
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