JOINT ACT: Streamliing Congressional Debate Act (Passed)

[SevenEleven]

This is a good idea. We tried something, it didn't work out, we move on. Hopefully we can pass this as quickly as possible.

[SevenEleven]

Aye.

[SevenEleven]

nay

I fear this will have a negative impact on debate in Congress, a debate which each and every time gets smaller and smaller already as is.

I have been #vindicated!!!! (albeit for the wrong reasons lol). Proud to be the only one who voted nay in the Senate and one of only 2-3 Congresspeople to do so (the other one being Representative Poirot and depending on your criteria, representative Cao, who voted too late)

Anyways, a big AYE on this!

Maybe I ought to be celebratory considering all this. Don’t have it in me at the moment so I’ll just note that I dropped the ball near the end of the House debate in active participation and was partially persuaded to vote Nay (too late) on a technicality that Poirot raised. Lots of us in the House could have done a better job, myself included. Poirot is a great representative and it’s unfortunate that he’s retiring.

Anyway, Nay.

Ok, this happens to all of us from time to time and it's alright, it's a game. This was an attempt to speed things up that didn't work as planned, it's perfectly fine to say "hey, we tried this and it didn't work, let's start over". I'm a bit confused here with you voting Nay. You wanted to oppose it before, but want to keep it now?

[SevenEleven]

1. This is a "JOINT RESOLUTION" not a "JOINT ACT". Nothing becomes an act without Presidential signature and this is Congressional rules and do not involve the President, that is one problematic aspect constitutionally.
2. And IIRC, I made a point to stress this so much in the passage of the original resolution and as such to avoid a problem with this. Rules must be passed and voted on by each chamber separately. And no UC does not override the constitution.

Once my head stops spinning, I will review the constitution and find some way to bail this out.

Act vs Resolution is largely semantic. This is an Act of Congress. And there is no constitutional limitation that prohibits this action. Indeed, it's the responsible thing to do.

[SevenEleven]

1. This is a "JOINT RESOLUTION" not a "JOINT ACT". Nothing becomes an act without Presidential signature and this is Congressional rules and do not involve the President, that is one problematic aspect constitutionally.
2. And IIRC, I made a point to stress this so much in the passage of the original resolution and as such to avoid a problem with this. Rules must be passed and voted on by each chamber separately. And no UC does not override the constitution.

Once my head stops spinning, I will review the constitution and find some way to bail this out.

Act vs Resolution is largely semantic. This is an Act of Congress. And there is no constitutional limitation that prohibits this action. Indeed, it's the responsible thing to do.

Read my whole post please.

This operates the same way as the other joint session. Each houses votes will be affirmed seperately.

[SevenEleven]

The House asserts it only seeks to amend its own rules (as if this weren't perfectly clear by how prior joint sessions were handled).

[SevenEleven]

Abstain

Only reason I am not voting Nay is for Ted's sake. Frankly, I think this could have been salvaged or at least given time to review the options for like a day in public where the problem is discussed before rushing into a solution. I would assume this was all done on discord in matter of hours no? I generally am not fond of legislating by wham, bam, thank you mam.

I also wanted to give twenty four hours, but this became a little more problematic than it needed to be way too quickly. Part of this could even be considered my fault, as I read the rules and then suggested the wrong thing. At that point everything became a mess. As has been stated before, we tried something, it didn't work, we move on and can work together to find a better path while cutting our losses here. My full apologies to both you and VP Scott.

[SevenEleven]

With a majority of House Reps in favor, we have 24 hours to change votes.

[SevenEleven]

By a vote of 6-1-1-1, this passes the House.

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