JOINT ACT: Streamliing Congressional Debate Act (Passed)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I picked a hell of a day to somehow not start drinking.

Am I to assume the problem here was failure to clearly establish in written form what is easily discernible in list form?

1. 48 hours discussion
2. Pre-cloture vote?
3. Regular debate or Final Vote?


While I appreciate Ted's desire to fix this quickly and calling for a correction to a mistake, there are two glaring errors in the means by which you have gone about fixing this.

1. It is way too damn fast
2. And I hope you guys can read this, this vote is probably unconstitutional

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

1. This is a "JOINT RESOLUTION" not a "JOINT ACT". Nothing becomes an act without Presidential signature and this is Congressional rules and do not involve the President, that is one problematic aspect constitutionally.
2. And IIRC, I made a point to stress this so much in the passage of the original resolution and as such to avoid a problem with this. Rules must be passed and voted on by each chamber separately. And no UC does not override the constitution.

Once my head stops spinning, I will review the constitution and find some way to bail this out.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

1. This is a "JOINT RESOLUTION" not a "JOINT ACT". Nothing becomes an act without Presidential signature and this is Congressional rules and do not involve the President, that is one problematic aspect constitutionally.
2. And IIRC, I made a point to stress this so much in the passage of the original resolution and as such to avoid a problem with this. Rules must be passed and voted on by each chamber separately. And no UC does not override the constitution.

Once my head stops spinning, I will review the constitution and find some way to bail this out.

Votes are technically separate, no? they just happen to be going on at the same time. Are you saying the constitution requires them to be in different threads?

Separate texts and separate votes, administered by the Presiding Officers of each chamber. The thread is irrelevant. We can do it in here.

The House of Representatives shall elect its Speaker and other officers, and shall have sole authority to determine its own methods of proceedings.

The Senate shall elect its leader and other officers, and shall have sole authority to determine its own methods of proceedings.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Argument for constitutionality is pretty simple, I think. Even though this was erroneously titled "act," the actual substance, content, and context of the legislation makes it clear that it was intended to be a resolution.

Not the only problem Ted.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

1. This is a "JOINT RESOLUTION" not a "JOINT ACT". Nothing becomes an act without Presidential signature and this is Congressional rules and do not involve the President, that is one problematic aspect constitutionally.
2. And IIRC, I made a point to stress this so much in the passage of the original resolution and as such to avoid a problem with this. Rules must be passed and voted on by each chamber separately. And no UC does not override the constitution.

Once my head stops spinning, I will review the constitution and find some way to bail this out.

Act vs Resolution is largely semantic. This is an Act of Congress. And there is no constitutional limitation that prohibits this action. Indeed, it's the responsible thing to do.

Read my whole post please.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Look I am not in the mood to quibble with you guys after what I just dealt with at work.

The final result needs to be two separate resolution texts certified with separate vote counts. This is how every previous rules change consideration has been structured. That is not what is in the OP and thus I had every reason to think, it would not be in the final post either unless stated otherwise.

They can be in the same post, and they can even been in the same Joint Resolution Text, as long as they are different sections, with our respective votes only applied to each respective text.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

This is what should be in the OP.

Joint Resolution

To streamline rules for the VP administration of bills between chambers

1. The title of this Resolution shall be the “Streamlining Congressional Debate Resolution.

2. Senate Rules Changes:

Be it resolved in the Atlasian Senate Assembled,

1. The Congressional Reform Resolution of 2021 is hereby repealed.

2. This legislation shall go into effect immediately upon passage.

People's Regional Senate
Pending


3. House Rules Changes

Be it resolves in the Atlasian House Assembled,

1. The Congressional Reform Resolution of 2021 is hereby repealed.

2. This legislation shall go into effect immediately upon passage.

People's House of Representatives
Pending

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Look I am not in the mood to quibble with you guys after what I just dealt with at work.

The final result needs to be two separate resolution texts certified with separate vote counts. This is how every previous rules change consideration has been structured. That is not what is in the OP and thus I had every reason to think, it would not be in the final post either unless stated otherwise.

They can be in the same post, and they can even been in the same Joint Resolution Text, as long as they are different sections, with our respective votes only applied to each respective text.

Alright, alright, hang on. Lemme get the separate texts queued up.

Already done

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Do we need to restart the vote or can we just consider the past votes to apply since there is substantively no difference to what the members who already voted believed themselves to be voting on?

No, that would be ridiculous.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Abstain

Only reason I am not voting Nay is for Ted's sake. Frankly, I think this could have been salvaged or at least given time to review the options for like a day in public where the problem is discussed before rushing into a solution. I would assume this was all done on discord in matter of hours no? I generally am not fond of legislating by wham, bam, thank you mam.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Do we need to restart the vote or can we just consider the past votes to apply since there is substantively no difference to what the members who already voted believed themselves to be voting on?

No, that would be ridiculous.

I have only PMed the remaining Senators.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Current Status for Senate side:
Aye (3): Devout Centrist, Falterin, and Tack50
Nay (0):
Abstain (1): NC Yankee

Yet to Vote (2): Blair and Spark498.

I am hesitant to call 24 hours bc if they vote soon I would just end it immediately.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Changing to AYE

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Current Status for Senate side:
Aye (6): Blair, Devout Centrist, Falterin, NC Yankee Spark498 and Tack50
Nay (0):
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (0):
 
This resolution has passed the Senate.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

This is what should be in the OP.

Joint Resolution

To streamline rules for the VP administration of bills between chambers

1. The title of this Resolution shall be the “Streamlining Congressional Debate Resolution.

2. Senate Rules Changes:

Be it resolved in the Atlasian Senate Assembled,

1. The Congressional Reform Resolution of 2021 is hereby repealed.

2. This legislation shall go into effect immediately upon passage.

People's Regional Senate
Passed 6-0 in the Atlasian Senate Assembled,



3. House Rules Changes

Be it resolves in the Atlasian House Assembled,

1. The Congressional Reform Resolution of 2021 is hereby repealed.

2. This legislation shall go into effect immediately upon passage.

People's House of Representatives
Pending

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Once Sev signs for House, Scott can sign attesting that both chambers individually have passed the joint resolution.