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« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2021, 12:34:10 AM »

1. This is a "JOINT RESOLUTION" not a "JOINT ACT". Nothing becomes an act without Presidential signature and this is Congressional rules and do not involve the President, that is one problematic aspect constitutionally.
2. And IIRC, I made a point to stress this so much in the passage of the original resolution and as such to avoid a problem with this. Rules must be passed and voted on by each chamber separately. And no UC does not override the constitution. Tongue

Once my head stops spinning, I will review the constitution and find some way to bail this out.

Act vs Resolution is largely semantic. This is an Act of Congress. And there is no constitutional limitation that prohibits this action. Indeed, it's the responsible thing to do.

Read my whole post please.

This operates the same way as the other joint session. Each houses votes will be affirmed seperately.
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« Reply #26 on: February 27, 2021, 12:37:30 AM »

If you really want to fix it to be bulletproof, you can ask a member of each house to motion that the house in question sees their own house's vote as an independent binding one on their own rules only. If both houses assert this then {since they have full control of interpretation of their own proceedings} there is no issue.
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« Reply #27 on: February 27, 2021, 12:40:58 AM »

Look I am not in the mood to quibble with you guys after what I just dealt with at work.

The final result needs to be two separate resolution texts certified with separate vote counts. This is how every previous rules change consideration has been structured. That is not what is in the OP and thus I had every reason to think, it would not be in the final post either unless stated otherwise.

They can be in the same post, and they can even been in the same Joint Resolution Text, as long as they are different sections, with our respective votes only applied to each respective text.
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« Reply #28 on: February 27, 2021, 12:41:52 AM »

The House asserts it only seeks to amend its own rules (as if this weren't perfectly clear by how prior joint sessions were handled).
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« Reply #29 on: February 27, 2021, 12:43:06 AM »

Look I am not in the mood to quibble with you guys after what I just dealt with at work.

The final result needs to be two separate resolution texts certified with separate vote counts. This is how every previous rules change consideration has been structured. That is not what is in the OP and thus I had every reason to think, it would not be in the final post either unless stated otherwise.

They can be in the same post, and they can even been in the same Joint Resolution Text, as long as they are different sections, with our respective votes only applied to each respective text.

Alright, alright, hang on. Lemme get the separate texts queued up.
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« Reply #30 on: February 27, 2021, 12:46:08 AM »

This is what should be in the OP.

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Joint Resolution
To streamline rules for the VP administration of bills between chambers

1. The title of this Resolution shall be the “Streamlining Congressional Debate Resolution.

2. Senate Rules Changes:
Be it resolved in the Atlasian Senate Assembled,
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1. The Congressional Reform Resolution of 2021 is hereby repealed.

2. This legislation shall go into effect immediately upon passage.

People's Regional Senate
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3. House Rules Changes
Be it resolves in the Atlasian House Assembled,
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1. The Congressional Reform Resolution of 2021 is hereby repealed.

2. This legislation shall go into effect immediately upon passage.

People's House of Representatives
Pending

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« Reply #31 on: February 27, 2021, 12:46:24 AM »

Look I am not in the mood to quibble with you guys after what I just dealt with at work.

The final result needs to be two separate resolution texts certified with separate vote counts. This is how every previous rules change consideration has been structured. That is not what is in the OP and thus I had every reason to think, it would not be in the final post either unless stated otherwise.

They can be in the same post, and they can even been in the same Joint Resolution Text, as long as they are different sections, with our respective votes only applied to each respective text.

Alright, alright, hang on. Lemme get the separate texts queued up.

Already done
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« Reply #32 on: February 27, 2021, 12:48:25 AM »

K. Glad we could get this sorted out quickly.




Do we need to restart the vote or can we just consider the past votes to apply since there is substantively no difference to what the members who already voted believed themselves to be voting on?
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« Reply #33 on: February 27, 2021, 12:51:26 AM »


Do we need to restart the vote or can we just consider the past votes to apply since there is substantively no difference to what the members who already voted believed themselves to be voting on?

No, that would be ridiculous.
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« Reply #34 on: February 27, 2021, 12:54:06 AM »

Abstain

Only reason I am not voting Nay is for Ted's sake. Frankly, I think this could have been salvaged or at least given time to review the options for like a day in public where the problem is discussed before rushing into a solution. I would assume this was all done on discord in matter of hours no? I generally am not fond of legislating by wham, bam, thank you mam.
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« Reply #35 on: February 27, 2021, 12:54:46 AM »


Do we need to restart the vote or can we just consider the past votes to apply since there is substantively no difference to what the members who already voted believed themselves to be voting on?

No, that would be ridiculous.

I have only PMed the remaining Senators.
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« Reply #36 on: February 27, 2021, 12:58:08 AM »

Abstain

Only reason I am not voting Nay is for Ted's sake. Frankly, I think this could have been salvaged or at least given time to review the options for like a day in public where the problem is discussed before rushing into a solution. I would assume this was all done on discord in matter of hours no? I generally am not fond of legislating by wham, bam, thank you mam.

I also wanted to give twenty four hours, but this became a little more problematic than it needed to be way too quickly. Part of this could even be considered my fault, as I read the rules and then suggested the wrong thing. At that point everything became a mess. As has been stated before, we tried something, it didn't work, we move on and can work together to find a better path while cutting our losses here. My full apologies to both you and VP Scott.
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« Reply #37 on: February 27, 2021, 01:01:21 AM »

Current Status for Senate side:
Aye (3): Devout Centrist, Falterin, and Tack50
Nay (0):
Abstain (1): NC Yankee

Yet to Vote (2): Blair and Spark498.

I am hesitant to call 24 hours bc if they vote soon I would just end it immediately.
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« Reply #38 on: February 27, 2021, 01:15:52 AM »

nay
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« Reply #39 on: February 27, 2021, 02:22:15 AM »
« Edited: February 27, 2021, 02:26:06 AM by Blair »

Aye

EDIT: This aye is conditional on the above post with the separate texts sorting out the logistics & issues with this.
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« Reply #40 on: February 27, 2021, 04:30:35 AM »

AYE
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« Reply #41 on: February 27, 2021, 04:57:22 AM »

With a majority of House Reps in favor, we have 24 hours to change votes.
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« Reply #42 on: February 27, 2021, 11:07:16 AM »

Aye
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« Reply #43 on: February 27, 2021, 11:23:13 AM »

abstain
because reading this I don't know if the process is ok, if all potential problem fixed.
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« Reply #44 on: February 27, 2021, 11:40:31 AM »

AYE
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« Reply #45 on: February 27, 2021, 11:45:00 AM »

Changing to AYE
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« Reply #46 on: February 27, 2021, 11:45:58 AM »

Current Status for Senate side:
Aye (6): Blair, Devout Centrist, Falterin, NC Yankee Spark498 and Tack50
Nay (0):
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (0):
 
This resolution has passed the Senate.
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« Reply #47 on: February 27, 2021, 11:47:06 AM »

This is what should be in the OP.

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Joint Resolution
To streamline rules for the VP administration of bills between chambers

1. The title of this Resolution shall be the “Streamlining Congressional Debate Resolution.

2. Senate Rules Changes:
Be it resolved in the Atlasian Senate Assembled,
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1. The Congressional Reform Resolution of 2021 is hereby repealed.

2. This legislation shall go into effect immediately upon passage.

People's Regional Senate
Passed 6-0 in the Atlasian Senate Assembled,



3. House Rules Changes
Be it resolves in the Atlasian House Assembled,
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1. The Congressional Reform Resolution of 2021 is hereby repealed.

2. This legislation shall go into effect immediately upon passage.

People's House of Representatives
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« Reply #48 on: February 27, 2021, 11:47:43 AM »

Once Sev signs for House, Scott can sign attesting that both chambers individually have passed the joint resolution.
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« Reply #49 on: February 27, 2021, 11:52:01 AM »
« Edited: February 27, 2021, 03:16:12 PM by SevenEleven »

By a vote of 6-1-1-1, this passes the House.

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