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« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2021, 11:14:39 AM »

Remember that in the primary, Biden was saved by the Democratic establishment rushing to stack the deck in his favor in late February/early March.

Lol he was going to win SC with or without an endorsement. That win would have propelled him to victory regardless because the majority of Democrats did not think that Bernie was electable

That was also an effect of Biden being relentlessly promoted by the mainstream media after SC. If Buttigieg & Klobuchar had remained in the race until on or after Super Tuesday, Biden would likely not have taken the lead he actually did, and the narrative following that might have been Sanders in the driver's seat instead of Biden.

Candidates dropping out because they didn't see themselves having a shot in the coming states does not equate to "the establishment" stacking the deck for Biden. Bernie couldn't win a one on one race. That's not "the establishment's" fault.

Pete was literally on Face the Nation or Meet the Press that Sunday morning talking about his plans moving forward. Dropping out a few hours later after conversations with Carter and Obama was not among those plans. Both Pete and Amy had a full slate of campaign stops scheduled for that week. There was absolutely no reason, at that point, to drop out before Super Tuesday. None.

Now, the thing is I don't see that as a negative. It's just political maneuvering.

Honestly what I'm most interested in. That was coordinated by someone or someone working for someone else or some group. Buttigieg et al dropping out while Warren stayed in. There's a very clear play going on there. May not come out in this book but it will someday. (Apparently, there's 3 more of these books in process.)

WaPo review of the book. They critique the authors a bit but have this paragraph:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/02/28/lucky-biden-book/
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There are memorable and telling insider moments in “Lucky,” revealing vital negotiations or highlighting simple truths that parties and campaigns would rather obfuscate. For example, planners of the Democratic Party’s virtual convention thought about featuring a national map that would highlight the locations of various speakers, thus countering the notion that the party was a club for coastal elites — only to can the idea when they realized multiple speakers would be broadcasting from Martha’s Vineyard. And the all-important endorsement of Rep. James Clyburn of South Carolina was in play when Clyburn cornered Biden during a commercial break at a Charleston debate and urged him to promise to appoint a Black woman to the Supreme Court. “This wasn’t offered as a condition of Clyburn’s endorsement, but it was an expectation,” the authors write, parsing a bit too finely. Biden awkwardly complied.
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« Reply #26 on: March 02, 2021, 11:22:46 AM »

Remember that in the primary, Biden was saved by the Democratic establishment rushing to stack the deck in his favor in late February/early March.

Lol he was going to win SC with or without an endorsement. That win would have propelled him to victory regardless because the majority of Democrats did not think that Bernie was electable

That was also an effect of Biden being relentlessly promoted by the mainstream media after SC. If Buttigieg & Klobuchar had remained in the race until on or after Super Tuesday, Biden would likely not have taken the lead he actually did, and the narrative following that might have been Sanders in the driver's seat instead of Biden.

Candidates dropping out because they didn't see themselves having a shot in the coming states does not equate to "the establishment" stacking the deck for Biden. Bernie couldn't win a one on one race. That's not "the establishment's" fault.

Pete was literally on Face the Nation or Meet the Press that Sunday morning talking about his plans moving forward. Dropping out a few hours later after conversations with Carter and Obama was not among those plans. Both Pete and Amy had a full slate of campaign stops scheduled for that week. There was absolutely no reason, at that point, to drop out before Super Tuesday. None.

Now, the thing is I don't see that as a negative. It's just political maneuvering.

Honestly what I'm most interested in. That was coordinated by someone or someone working for someone else or some group. Buttigieg et al dropping out while Warren stayed in. There's a very clear play going on there. May not come out in this book but it will someday. (Apparently, there's 3 more of these books in process.)

Source?
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« Reply #27 on: March 02, 2021, 11:35:02 AM »

I think this sounds very interesting. I can't wait to read it.
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« Reply #28 on: March 02, 2021, 11:41:13 AM »

Remember that in the primary, Biden was saved by the Democratic establishment rushing to stack the deck in his favor in late February/early March.

Lol he was going to win SC with or without an endorsement. That win would have propelled him to victory regardless because the majority of Democrats did not think that Bernie was electable

That was also an effect of Biden being relentlessly promoted by the mainstream media after SC. If Buttigieg & Klobuchar had remained in the race until on or after Super Tuesday, Biden would likely not have taken the lead he actually did, and the narrative following that might have been Sanders in the driver's seat instead of Biden.

Candidates dropping out because they didn't see themselves having a shot in the coming states does not equate to "the establishment" stacking the deck for Biden. Bernie couldn't win a one on one race. That's not "the establishment's" fault.

Pete was literally on Face the Nation or Meet the Press that Sunday morning talking about his plans moving forward. Dropping out a few hours later after conversations with Carter and Obama was not among those plans. Both Pete and Amy had a full slate of campaign stops scheduled for that week. There was absolutely no reason, at that point, to drop out before Super Tuesday. None.

Now, the thing is I don't see that as a negative. It's just political maneuvering.

Honestly what I'm most interested in. That was coordinated by someone or someone working for someone else or some group. Buttigieg et al dropping out while Warren stayed in. There's a very clear play going on there. May not come out in this book but it will someday. (Apparently, there's 3 more of these books in process.)

Source?

One of the book's reviews I read yesterday. Wasn't in the Hill or WaPo piece. Might be Politico's article. Says they'll come out rest of this year going into 2022.
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« Reply #29 on: March 02, 2021, 12:19:24 PM »

Remember that in the primary, Biden was saved by the Democratic establishment rushing to stack the deck in his favor in late February/early March.

Lol he was going to win SC with or without an endorsement. That win would have propelled him to victory regardless because the majority of Democrats did not think that Bernie was electable

That was also an effect of Biden being relentlessly promoted by the mainstream media after SC. If Buttigieg & Klobuchar had remained in the race until on or after Super Tuesday, Biden would likely not have taken the lead he actually did, and the narrative following that might have been Sanders in the driver's seat instead of Biden.

Candidates dropping out because they didn't see themselves having a shot in the coming states does not equate to "the establishment" stacking the deck for Biden. Bernie couldn't win a one on one race. That's not "the establishment's" fault.

Pete was literally on Face the Nation or Meet the Press that Sunday morning talking about his plans moving forward. Dropping out a few hours later after conversations with Carter and Obama was not among those plans. Both Pete and Amy had a full slate of campaign stops scheduled for that week. There was absolutely no reason, at that point, to drop out before Super Tuesday. None.

Now, the thing is I don't see that as a negative. It's just political maneuvering.

Honestly what I'm most interested in. That was coordinated by someone or someone working for someone else or some group. Buttigieg et al dropping out while Warren stayed in. There's a very clear play going on there. May not come out in this book but it will someday. (Apparently, there's 3 more of these books in process.)

Source?

One of the book's reviews I read yesterday. Wasn't in the Hill or WaPo piece. Might be Politico's article. Says they'll come out rest of this year going into 2022.
Do you have a source about three more books coming out
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« Reply #30 on: March 02, 2021, 12:39:24 PM »

Remember that in the primary, Biden was saved by the Democratic establishment rushing to stack the deck in his favor in late February/early March.

Lol he was going to win SC with or without an endorsement. That win would have propelled him to victory regardless because the majority of Democrats did not think that Bernie was electable

That was also an effect of Biden being relentlessly promoted by the mainstream media after SC. If Buttigieg & Klobuchar had remained in the race until on or after Super Tuesday, Biden would likely not have taken the lead he actually did, and the narrative following that might have been Sanders in the driver's seat instead of Biden.

Candidates dropping out because they didn't see themselves having a shot in the coming states does not equate to "the establishment" stacking the deck for Biden. Bernie couldn't win a one on one race. That's not "the establishment's" fault.

Pete was literally on Face the Nation or Meet the Press that Sunday morning talking about his plans moving forward. Dropping out a few hours later after conversations with Carter and Obama was not among those plans. Both Pete and Amy had a full slate of campaign stops scheduled for that week. There was absolutely no reason, at that point, to drop out before Super Tuesday. None.

Now, the thing is I don't see that as a negative. It's just political maneuvering.

Honestly what I'm most interested in. That was coordinated by someone or someone working for someone else or some group. Buttigieg et al dropping out while Warren stayed in. There's a very clear play going on there. May not come out in this book but it will someday. (Apparently, there's 3 more of these books in process.)

Source?

One of the book's reviews I read yesterday. Wasn't in the Hill or WaPo piece. Might be Politico's article. Says they'll come out rest of this year going into 2022.

Do you have a source about three more books coming out

The WaPo review is actually the one which says that "several competing works [are] scheduled later this year and into 2022," but have yet to find anything on any site's review concerning an explicit number of 3 books.
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« Reply #31 on: March 02, 2021, 01:28:49 PM »

Remember that in the primary, Biden was saved by the Democratic establishment rushing to stack the deck in his favor in late February/early March.

Lol he was going to win SC with or without an endorsement. That win would have propelled him to victory regardless because the majority of Democrats did not think that Bernie was electable

That was also an effect of Biden being relentlessly promoted by the mainstream media after SC. If Buttigieg & Klobuchar had remained in the race until on or after Super Tuesday, Biden would likely not have taken the lead he actually did, and the narrative following that might have been Sanders in the driver's seat instead of Biden.

Candidates dropping out because they didn't see themselves having a shot in the coming states does not equate to "the establishment" stacking the deck for Biden. Bernie couldn't win a one on one race. That's not "the establishment's" fault.

Pete was literally on Face the Nation or Meet the Press that Sunday morning talking about his plans moving forward. Dropping out a few hours later after conversations with Carter and Obama was not among those plans. Both Pete and Amy had a full slate of campaign stops scheduled for that week. There was absolutely no reason, at that point, to drop out before Super Tuesday. None.

Now, the thing is I don't see that as a negative. It's just political maneuvering.

Honestly what I'm most interested in. That was coordinated by someone or someone working for someone else or some group. Buttigieg et al dropping out while Warren stayed in. There's a very clear play going on there. May not come out in this book but it will someday. (Apparently, there's 3 more of these books in process.)

Source?

One of the book's reviews I read yesterday. Wasn't in the Hill or WaPo piece. Might be Politico's article. Says they'll come out rest of this year going into 2022.

Do you have a source about three more books coming out

The WaPo review is actually the one which says that "several competing works [are] scheduled later this year and into 2022," but have yet to find anything on any site's review concerning an explicit number of 3 books.

That's probably what I read.
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« Reply #32 on: March 02, 2021, 04:02:35 PM »

The D's are gonna have a wave next yr, due to fact, Insurrectionists spoiled R chances for a takeover.

The reason why barely Biden won, Trump improved with Latinos in Miami and AA in Mahoning County, OH, but now Rs are back to George Floyd levels of support among WC females and AA and Latinos due to QAnonon and insurrection

I sure hope your right, I think that failing to deliver on the 2k stimulus checks might come back to backfire.
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« Reply #33 on: March 02, 2021, 04:05:50 PM »

Remember that in the primary, Biden was saved by the Democratic establishment rushing to stack the deck in his favor in late February/early March.

Lol he was going to win SC with or without an endorsement. That win would have propelled him to victory regardless because the majority of Democrats did not think that Bernie was electable

That was also an effect of Biden being relentlessly promoted by the mainstream media after SC. If Buttigieg & Klobuchar had remained in the race until on or after Super Tuesday, Biden would likely not have taken the lead he actually did, and the narrative following that might have been Sanders in the driver's seat instead of Biden.

Candidates dropping out because they didn't see themselves having a shot in the coming states does not equate to "the establishment" stacking the deck for Biden. Bernie couldn't win a one on one race. That's not "the establishment's" fault.

Closing ranks around an obvious second tier candidate after Bernie had won the first three primaries was unprecedented and speaks to a deep hostility that many in the establishment had to a Bernie nomination. I mean normally it would have made more sense for Klobuchar to stay in just two days until her homestate voted and then concede. The reason she and Pete didn't is because while they knew they had no chance to win at that point they did have a chance to impact the outcome.
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« Reply #34 on: March 02, 2021, 09:10:38 PM »

Remember that in the primary, Biden was saved by the Democratic establishment rushing to stack the deck in his favor in late February/early March.

Lol he was going to win SC with or without an endorsement. That win would have propelled him to victory regardless because the majority of Democrats did not think that Bernie was electable

That was also an effect of Biden being relentlessly promoted by the mainstream media after SC. If Buttigieg & Klobuchar had remained in the race until on or after Super Tuesday, Biden would likely not have taken the lead he actually did, and the narrative following that might have been Sanders in the driver's seat instead of Biden.

Candidates dropping out because they didn't see themselves having a shot in the coming states does not equate to "the establishment" stacking the deck for Biden. Bernie couldn't win a one on one race. That's not "the establishment's" fault.

Closing ranks around an obvious second tier candidate after Bernie had won the first three primaries was unprecedented and speaks to a deep hostility that many in the establishment had to a Bernie nomination.

Well, Bernie Sanders is not, nor has he ever been, a Democrat.
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« Reply #35 on: March 03, 2021, 04:29:06 AM »

Biden barely won, in 2020, I keep saying this due to the Insurrectionists happened in Jan not Nov, Trump improved among minorities, OH went R with 12% due to Mahoning County, it won't flip again R especially in 2022/ with Tim Ryan on ballot

Rs are back to Floyd levels of support with females and AA and Latinos due to mounting an insurrection, none of us are watching Fox news anymore, just like with Trump on Twitter it feeds into QAnon by praising Limbaugh instead of Covid victims and says that Trump won the Election, it's not a real news station anymore after Jan 6th, that why they have low ratings now
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« Reply #36 on: March 03, 2021, 04:45:55 AM »

Remember that in the primary, Biden was saved by the Democratic establishment rushing to stack the deck in his favor in late February/early March.

Lol he was going to win SC with or without an endorsement. That win would have propelled him to victory regardless because the majority of Democrats did not think that Bernie was electable

That was also an effect of Biden being relentlessly promoted by the mainstream media after SC. If Buttigieg & Klobuchar had remained in the race until on or after Super Tuesday, Biden would likely not have taken the lead he actually did, and the narrative following that might have been Sanders in the driver's seat instead of Biden.

Candidates dropping out because they didn't see themselves having a shot in the coming states does not equate to "the establishment" stacking the deck for Biden. Bernie couldn't win a one on one race. That's not "the establishment's" fault.

Closing ranks around an obvious second tier candidate after Bernie had won the first three primaries was unprecedented and speaks to a deep hostility that many in the establishment had to a Bernie nomination. I mean normally it would have made more sense for Klobuchar to stay in just two days until her homestate voted and then concede. The reason she and Pete didn't is because while they knew they had no chance to win at that point they did have a chance to impact the outcome.

It speaks to both hostility towards Bernie Sanders as well as a bigger question about just how democratic these primaries are. While I kind of understand the disappointment of Bernie supporters and how it seems unfair that his opponents coalesced in a clear attempt to defeat him, I also think it's pretty undemocratic to have several identical candidates take home a clear majority of the vote between them all while Bernie coasts to a plurality victory with 30% of the vote in most states. The broader issue here is how dependent our elections are on a two-candidate race.
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« Reply #37 on: March 03, 2021, 05:58:44 AM »

"Biden barely won?", Is this the so called liberal media in action?

Funny you should say that, because at least in terms of campaign books such as this one, Jonathan Allen & Amie Parnes became a total & complete joke after their Hillary 2016 autopsy book, Shattered, resulted in a litany of staffers coming out to categorically deny the allegations which were made in it, something that doesn't usually happen - at least, as intensely as it did after that book - to campaign books such as these, so I'd recommend taking anything they put down in a book such as this with a grain of salt, yeah.

Not to mention, the book - about Biden's win - is literally titled "Lucky," & the few excerpts about Biden which we've gotten thus far seem to paint him as nothing but a bumbling fool who has zero awareness, so it's not exactly all that hard to read between the lines here.

That's unfair- both are very skilled reporters that got a lot right on the Clinton campaign- the staffers objected to the campaign being deeply flawed and filled with people who didn't get along. The campaign was probably more positive in their minds but the story that Parnes and Allen got from people put a bigger picture perspective on things that isn't necessarily going to speak to how people inside the campaign viewed it. I've bought the book and the way it details the Biden campaign makes me feel that most campaigns operate with competing factions, egos, and personality fights but that doesn't mean they aren't enjoyable at the same time and a journalist's narrative of that experience won't really capture that.
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« Reply #38 on: March 03, 2021, 07:32:16 AM »

"Biden barely won?", Is this the so called liberal media in action?

Funny you should say that, because at least in terms of campaign books such as this one, Jonathan Allen & Amie Parnes became a total & complete joke after their Hillary 2016 autopsy book, Shattered, resulted in a litany of staffers coming out to categorically deny the allegations which were made in it, something that doesn't usually happen - at least, as intensely as it did after that book - to campaign books such as these, so I'd recommend taking anything they put down in a book such as this with a grain of salt, yeah.

Not to mention, the book - about Biden's win - is literally titled "Lucky," & the few excerpts about Biden which we've gotten thus far seem to paint him as nothing but a bumbling fool who has zero awareness, so it's not exactly all that hard to read between the lines here.

That's unfair- both are very skilled reporters that got a lot right on the Clinton campaign- the staffers objected to the campaign being deeply flawed and filled with people who didn't get along. The campaign was probably more positive in their minds but the story that Parnes and Allen got from people put a bigger picture perspective on things that isn't necessarily going to speak to how people inside the campaign viewed it. I've bought the book and the way it details the Biden campaign makes me feel that most campaigns operate with competing factions, egos, and personality fights but that doesn't mean they aren't enjoyable at the same time and a journalist's narrative of that experience won't really capture that.

Yeah, there's more than enough tales spreading the blame to the Clinton campaign from all directions. The staff post-loss were mostly concerned with saving their political careers as far as getting a job as opposed to telling the truth because they absolutely should have won, give it 30 years and Hillary Clinton 2016 will become Thomas Dewey 1948. At the DNC post-mortem conference call Clinton staff wouldn't even acknowledge having any discussion about what went wrong, and state Democratic party staff were per a Politico article at the time "are you effing kidding me?"
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« Reply #39 on: March 03, 2021, 08:47:04 AM »
« Edited: March 03, 2021, 08:50:36 AM by MR. KAYNE WEST »

The D's are gonna have a wave next yr, due to fact, Insurrectionists spoiled R chances for a takeover.

The reason why barely Biden won, Trump improved with Latinos in Miami and AA in Mahoning County, OH, but now Rs are back to George Floyd levels of support among WC females and AA and Latinos due to QAnonon and insurrection

I sure hope your right, I think that failing to deliver on the 2k stimulus checks might come back to backfire.

 We only have to rebuild the blue wall and  Biden is at 52% in WI, MI and PA and Kelly is holding his own in AZ and so is Maggie Hassan.

The big question is NC, GA and OH, Mahoning County is gonna vote R like it did, but Biden stopped building the wall it may affect Ga, NC and OH

But Warren is confident about NC that why she boldly predicted a wealth tax and Immigration reform and D's don't have the votes this twrm

NC voted for Cooper and we won Gov race in 2020, NC will give us 52 seats when GA goes to a Runoff

Biden can certainly restart wall before the midterm, Rs will press him to do it as soon as immigration reform comes up. It will help D's not hurt us
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« Reply #40 on: March 03, 2021, 09:58:37 AM »

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« Reply #41 on: March 04, 2021, 06:01:10 PM »

Not gonna lie this is definitely interesting
https://twitter.com/DogPhoenixWP/status/1367608351752912896
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« Reply #42 on: March 04, 2021, 06:13:10 PM »


KHive in shambles!
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« Reply #43 on: March 04, 2021, 08:35:39 PM »

I got the book and read the prologue and first chapter this morning. So far it's very interesting and fun to read. It strikes me as fair but also quite frank and blunt. It begins with discussion of how Hillary Clinton was apparently open to running again because she was convinced that absolutely none of the potential candidates would be able to beat Trump, including Biden, but it also shares some insight into how Biden was reportedly worried about Clinton back in 2016 because he thought the FBI investigation was going to destroy her credibility. I've only read about 20 pages so I can't vouch for the book as a whole, but overall it leaves a good first impression.
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« Reply #44 on: March 04, 2021, 09:01:00 PM »

Got my copy yesterday. It's pretty interesting how much this book trashes public polling showing Biden winning by "huge margins" and their insistence that private internal polling on both sides were very accurate in predicting a close race hinged on just a couple of states.

I wonder if this is mostly hindsight bias or reflective of an actual chasm between what's publicly available versus what the campaigns see
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« Reply #45 on: March 04, 2021, 10:57:56 PM »

Got my copy yesterday. It's pretty interesting how much this book trashes public polling showing Biden winning by "huge margins" and their insistence that private internal polling on both sides were very accurate in predicting a close race hinged on just a couple of states.

I wonder if this is mostly hindsight bias or reflective of an actual chasm between what's publicly available versus what the campaigns see

It's tough to say. I think it's both, but there were leaks here and there that hinted at a closer Biden win than the likes of Rachel Bitecofer were leading the public to believe. I remember a somewhat internal but still publicly available presentation from the Biden campaign where their expectations and average leads in swing states were much lower than expected, and many posters here (probably myself included) assumed that it was because they wanted to lower expectations and get more donations. The Florida Democrats, awful as they are, were sounding the alarm bells for months about the growing crisis in the state. There were whisperings in the lead-up to the election (and confirmed in write-ups afterward) that Democrats expected Gideon to lose, and this was not even hinted at in most publicly available polling. The Selzer poll is the only credible poll I can think of that spelled out the state of the race in the midwest.

In short, I tend to believe them when they say that true private polling, as in the ones we never get to see, painted a much more accurate picture of the race than the ones we got from PPP and Quinnipiac.
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« Reply #46 on: March 05, 2021, 11:38:12 AM »

Been reading it, poorly written at parts but enough juicy insider anecodtes but it's pretty obvious who the sources are and what their bias is. Annoying tendency to write too much from the perspective from candidates what are obviously just guesses about their thoughts.



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« Reply #47 on: March 05, 2021, 05:59:09 PM »
« Edited: March 05, 2021, 06:06:42 PM by Monstro Believed in a Blue Georgia (and a Blue Texas) »

Only fitting that, in a thread about a Biden book, like half of the posts are re-litigating Bernie.

Although I do find it amusing that Biden was possibly giving Bernie pointers in 2016 (Now my 'What-If' brain is racing about the possibilities of a Biden endorsement). Or that Obama was rooting for Beto early on.

I kinda wanna read the book now. It sounds like a fun read.
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« Reply #48 on: March 05, 2021, 06:43:36 PM »

Got around to reading it today. One factoid I found interesting is that Biden's team knew that Texas wasn't going to happen for president or Senate. I seem to remember Dave Wasserman being very bullish on Democrats' chances in Texas across the board.
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« Reply #49 on: March 05, 2021, 07:18:40 PM »

Got around to reading it today. One factoid I found interesting is that Biden's team knew that Texas wasn't going to happen for president or Senate. I seem to remember Dave Wasserman being very bullish on Democrats' chances in Texas across the board.
What exactly did it say about Texas?
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