Why are the Democrats being so politically incompetent about the stimulus checks?

[VBM]

At first, they were saying that they would pass the 2k checks immediately, but then they backtracked and explained that they ackshually meant 1.4K, and the checks still haven’t been passed despite Biden promising that they would come within the first week. Are the Democrats trying to make themselves look incompetent and out of touch? Just pass the damn checks

[Skill and Chance]

Neither party can really make up their mind about economic issues.  This will continue for some time. 

[7,052,770]

It was always $1,400. It was always increasing the original $600 to $2,000 by also giving out an additional $1,400. Quit rewriting history.

[VBM]

It was always $1,400. It was always increasing the original $600 to $2,000 by also giving out an additional $1,400. Quit rewriting history.

Then they shouldn’t have continued saying 2k after the 600 passed

[7,052,770]

It was always $1,400. It was always increasing the original $600 to $2,000 by also giving out an additional $1,400. Quit rewriting history.

Then they shouldn’t have continued saying 2k after the 600 passed

It was widely understood that it was meant to raise $600 to $2,000 until well after the fact.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Oh let's not relitigate this stupid point please

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

Joe Biden was actually organizing the real priority of his hundred days, freeing Bobby Shmurda

[GP270watch]

 Trump signed stimulus checks for $1,200 and $600 and although these were really passed and fought for by House Democrats they didn't get much credit.

 Don't see how Joe Biden thinks passing $1,400 checks is good politics.

[Santander]

You mean Trump wasn't the only politician to break promises?

[GeneralMacArthur]

There are no broken promises.  The bill that AOC wrote was to change the $600 checks to $2000 checks by adding $1,400.  And we went around promising "if you elect us, we'll do that instead."  It was always $2,000 instead of $600, meaning $1,400 more.  Anyone who says otherwise has been suckered by the massive malicious gaslighting campaign by leftists more interested in attacking Biden than getting things done, or worse, knows it's BS but is partaking in the gaslighting themselves.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

The stimulus is a gift, they are still giving Unemployment checks with extra money on it 300 or more extra per week  So, that's why Rs are objecting to the stimulus they say too much money is being out, but they don't account for the people working or on Social Security.


STIMULUS are gifts, they aren't necessary

[BudgieForce]

It should be obvious by now that there wasn't 60 votes for a clean $2000/$1400 check bill without massive means testing added to get Republican support. Or are you forgetting that was the first thing Susan Collins and her gang of "moderates" proposed once Biden and the Senate started reconcilation.

[brucejoel99]

Why is VBNMWEB being so politically clueless about the legislative process?

At first, they were expressing their anger at the checks being $1.4K instead of what they incorrectly assumed was $2K, but then after seemingly everybody on here informed them about how wrong they were on that point, they backtracked and explained that regardless of how much the checks are supposed to be worth, now they're just angry that a massive stimulus package wasn't written, marked-up, and passed in a week(!?!), despite seemingly everybody else on here actually knowing full well that the legislative process - y'know, governing - takes more than a week. Is VBNMWEB trying to make themself look clueless and ignorant? Just understand how bills have to go through Congress before they can become laws!


(Seriously, though, not a single Democrat promised that the American Rescue Plan - which is what the checks are a part of - would be passed in a f**king week. That's just not how anything works. If you thought it was, then bless your heart.)

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Why is VBNMWEB being so politically clueless about the legislative process?

At first, they were expressing their anger at the checks being $1.4K instead of what they incorrectly assumed was $2K, but then after seemingly everybody on here informed them about how wrong they were on that point, they backtracked and explained that regardless of how much the checks are supposed to be worth, now they're just angry that a massive stimulus package wasn't written, marked-up, and passed in a week(!?!), despite seemingly everybody else on here actually knowing full well that the legislative process - y'know, governing - takes more than a week. Is VBNMWEB trying to make themself look clueless and ignorant? Just understand how bills have to go through Congress before they can become laws!


(Seriously, though, not a single Democrat promised that the American Rescue Plan - which is what the checks are a part of - would be passed in a f**king week. That's just not how anything works. If you thought it was, then bless your heart.)

We were all at one time ignorant of the realities of the legislative process. I hope VBNMWEB exits that phase sooner rather than later.

[Malarkey Decider]

Incompetent? It's polling at +40 approval, how could the rollout of plan be seen as anything but a success?

[brucejoel99]

Incompetent? It's polling at +40 approval, how could the rollout of plan be seen as anything but a success?

I guess it's not polling at +80 approval so it must be a failure of the incompetent Democrats!!

[Nyvin]

It's actually crazy popular -

https://twitter.com/cameron_easley/status/1364594544046661633

[Lief 🗽]

Very important to ignore nonsense like this. It’s pure deranged Internet brain. The $1400 checks are overwhelmingly popular; in the real world there is no backlash. Most Americans are not aware of this debate at all, their first knowledge of it coming only when they are pleasantly surprised to find a check for $1400 from President Joe Biden in their mailbox next month.

[VBM]

There are no broken promises.  The bill that AOC wrote was to change the $600 checks to $2000 checks by adding $1,400.  And we went around promising "if you elect us, we'll do that instead."  It was always $2,000 instead of $600, meaning $1,400 more.  Anyone who says otherwise has been suckered by the massive malicious gaslighting campaign by leftists more interested in attacking Biden than getting things done, or worse, knows it's BS but is partaking in the gaslighting themselves.

Ignoring the argument about what they actually meant (because not everyone follows politics closely and they could have thought they meant 2000 on top of the 600), wouldn’t it be a better move politically to do 2000 instead of 1400? What voters support 1400, but hate the idea of 2000 dollar checks so much that they abandon the Democrats for doing so?

[VBM]

It's actually crazy popular -

https://twitter.com/cameron_easley/status/1364594544046661633

This doesn’t really disprove anything I said. People approve of passing 1400 dollar checks, but that doesn’t mean that they approve of how needlessly long it’s taking to do so

[emailking]

They should just say $1400. Most people don't live and breathe this stuff, and it's reasonable to assume $2000 means just that, not $1400 because you have to subtract $600 that you got several months ago.

[VBM]

They should just say $1400. Most people don't live and breathe this stuff, and it's reasonable to assume $2000 means just that, not $1400 because you have to subtract $600 that you got several months ago.

But all the Atlas brainers told me that literally every American follows politics closely and would know that 2k doesn’t mean 2k!

[VBM]

Why is VBNMWEB being so politically clueless about the legislative process?

At first, they were expressing their anger at the checks being $1.4K instead of what they incorrectly assumed was $2K, but then after seemingly everybody on here informed them about how wrong they were on that point, they backtracked and explained that regardless of how much the checks are supposed to be worth, now they're just angry that a massive stimulus package wasn't written, marked-up, and passed in a week(!?!), despite seemingly everybody else on here actually knowing full well that the legislative process - y'know, governing - takes more than a week. Is VBNMWEB trying to make themself look clueless and ignorant? Just understand how bills have to go through Congress before they can become laws!


(Seriously, though, not a single Democrat promised that the American Rescue Plan - which is what the checks are a part of - would be passed in a f**king week. That's just not how anything works. If you thought it was, then bless your heart.)

I guess that Jon Ossoff must also be politically clueless since he’s the one who said it would be done in the first week.

[GeneralMacArthur]

There are no broken promises.  The bill that AOC wrote was to change the $600 checks to $2000 checks by adding $1,400.  And we went around promising "if you elect us, we'll do that instead."  It was always $2,000 instead of $600, meaning $1,400 more.  Anyone who says otherwise has been suckered by the massive malicious gaslighting campaign by leftists more interested in attacking Biden than getting things done, or worse, knows it's BS but is partaking in the gaslighting themselves.

Ignoring the argument about what they actually meant (because not everyone follows politics closely and they could have thought they meant 2000 on top of the 600), wouldn’t it be a better move politically to do 2000 instead of 1400? What voters support 1400, but hate the idea of 2000 dollar checks so much that they abandon the Democrats for doing so?

Would it be a better idea to just randomly do something you didn't promise instead of something you did?

No.  We promised to add $1,400 to $600 and that's what we're doing.  Like why should we spend $120 billion just to get a rounder number.  It's just stupid.

[brucejoel99]

There are no broken promises.  The bill that AOC wrote was to change the $600 checks to $2000 checks by adding $1,400.  And we went around promising "if you elect us, we'll do that instead."  It was always $2,000 instead of $600, meaning $1,400 more.  Anyone who says otherwise has been suckered by the massive malicious gaslighting campaign by leftists more interested in attacking Biden than getting things done, or worse, knows it's BS but is partaking in the gaslighting themselves.

Ignoring the argument about what they actually meant (because not everyone follows politics closely and they could have thought they meant 2000 on top of the 600), wouldn’t it be a better move politically to do 2000 instead of 1400? What voters support 1400, but hate the idea of 2000 dollar checks so much that they abandon the Democrats for doing so?

It probably would be, yes. But they're not doing so, so why haven't you been able to just accept that & move on? Must you keep dredging this topic up just to see it beat to death over & over again? See the forest for the trees: $1.4K is still overwhelmingly popular with the public, as was already made clear in this thread. Or is +40 approval seriously not good enough for you?

It's actually crazy popular -

https://twitter.com/cameron_easley/status/1364594544046661633

This doesn’t really disprove anything I said. People approve of passing 1400 dollar checks, but that doesn’t mean that they approve of how needlessly long it’s taking to do so

"Needlessly long?" What in the everloving hell are you even talking about!? Reconciliation isn't a process that can just be rammed through in a week. First, a budget resolution had to be written-up & then pass in both chambers (a process which took more than a week & which was completed about 2-&-a-1/2 weeks ago), then the reconciliation bill itself had to be marked-up (which is what the House committees have spent the last 2 weeks doing) & pass in both chambers (the House will do so in literally less than 48 hours), & when it was time for the Senate to do their part in passing the budget resolution, they were obligated to hold a time-consuming amendment vote-a-rama, during which literally hundreds of amendments had to be voted on, & this is a process that'll have to be repeated all over again when the final package hits the Senate again next week.

So yeah, not only does reconciliation take time, but getting it done as fast as they're doing so - in ~50 days - is record fast. Don't believe me? It took 6 months for the GOP to try & use the reconciliation process to repeal Obamacare (which failed), & then another 6 months to successfully use it to get their tax cuts. It was known that getting the COVID stimulus passed through the reconciliation process was always gonna be at least a little bit of a time-consuming process. The fact that the Democrats will get it done this time in just ~50 days is a testament to how fast things are moving. If you still seriously believe that this is taking a "needlessly long" time, then I'm sorry (not sorry) to say it, but you just have no idea what you're talking about. I mean, seriously, are you just trying to get a rise out of people by either acting or legitimately being so laughably uninformed? Jesus, man.

And by the way, even if the people who massively approve of the plan itself nevertheless don't approve of how long it's taking to get it done (which a big if given that there's nothing beyond your own personal theory indicating as much), that being the case certainly hasn't been reflected in either Biden's approval rating or the plan's approval rating. Funny how that works.

They should just say $1400. Most people don't live and breathe this stuff, and it's reasonable to assume $2000 means just that, not $1400 because you have to subtract $600 that you got several months ago.

But all the Atlas brainers told me that literally every American follows politics closely and would know that 2k doesn’t mean 2k!

No, literally nobody told you this & you f**king know that. Strawman gonna strawman, though.

Why is VBNMWEB being so politically clueless about the legislative process?

At first, they were expressing their anger at the checks being $1.4K instead of what they incorrectly assumed was $2K, but then after seemingly everybody on here informed them about how wrong they were on that point, they backtracked and explained that regardless of how much the checks are supposed to be worth, now they're just angry that a massive stimulus package wasn't written, marked-up, and passed in a week(!?!), despite seemingly everybody else on here actually knowing full well that the legislative process - y'know, governing - takes more than a week. Is VBNMWEB trying to make themself look clueless and ignorant? Just understand how bills have to go through Congress before they can become laws!


(Seriously, though, not a single Democrat promised that the American Rescue Plan - which is what the checks are a part of - would be passed in a f**king week. That's just not how anything works. If you thought it was, then bless your heart.)

I guess that Jon Ossoff must also be politically clueless since he’s the one who said it would be done in the first week.

Sure! He was wrong to say that (see the aforementioned explainer as to how reconciliation works), but to point to that & act as if it's proof that "the Democrats [are] being so politically incompetent about the stimulus checks" when they're nevertheless still delivering on their promise of bold, material results in the form of the American Rescue Plan anyway is where you come off as nothing but "clueless and ignorant."