Do Democrats have a recruiting issue at the Presidential level

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When we look at all the possible GOP nominees for 2024, Ron DeSantis, Hawley, and Trump can all possible. Only Cruz and Haley I have doubts he can win

But I'm pretty sure most Democrats not named Biden would lose. Harris, Booker, Buttigieg, Beto, and Cuomo would all lose. Only Julian Castro might do well.

In fairness, everything you're mentioning is pure personal speculation. You throw Hawley up there for the Republicans, but the reality is that the average American had no idea who the guy was until 1/6 (and I'd imagine that now means the average American now has a somewhat negative view on the guy). I mean, take of it what you will, but a late Jan. YouGov/The Economist poll showed only 57% of respondents had an opinion on him (this is after the Riots now, mind you). And of that, 19% favorable, 38% unfavorable.

Not sure why you'd be so down on that Democratic bench. Cuomo is the only one bringing anything that could be described as potentially disqualifying baggage to the table.

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I definitely agree that the Gen X crop of Democrats is weak (Kamala Harris, Stacey Abrams, and Gretchen Whitmer are really the only ones I can think of as compelling national candidates down the line, unless some figures in the House manage to build themselves up like Katie Porter) but the millennial crop does have some compelling and appealing figures (Jason Kander, Mandela Barnes, Lauren Underwood) who still have plenty of time to build profiles and experience.

I like how you mentioned Abrams and Whitmer. They only appeared in 2018. Before that, Democrats spent the last decade losing races and focused on Obama/Hillary instead of building up the next generation of leaders.

Well, in fairness, in your original post for the Republicans you mentioned:

Trump--the former president
Hawley--a guy many don't know
DeSantis--who only really appeared in 2018

I'm just failing to see the argument.

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I definitely agree that the Gen X crop of Democrats is weak (Kamala Harris, Stacey Abrams, and Gretchen Whitmer are really the only ones I can think of as compelling national candidates down the line, unless some figures in the House manage to build themselves up like Katie Porter) but the millennial crop does have some compelling and appealing figures (Jason Kander, Mandela Barnes, Lauren Underwood) who still have plenty of time to build profiles and experience.

I like how you mentioned Abrams and Whitmer. They only appeared in 2018. Before that, Democrats spent the last decade losing races and focused on Obama/Hillary instead of building up the next generation of leaders.

Well, in fairness, in your original post for the Republicans you mentioned:

Trump--the former president
Hawley--a guy many don't know
DeSantis--who only really appeared in 2018

I'm just failing to see the argument.

It seems to the consensus on this forum that most big republican names can win in 2024 (Trump, Cruz, Hawley, DeSantis) but most Democrats are more likely to lose than win

My question is, why do GOP seem to have a stronger bench compared to Democrats? Unless your name is Obama/Biden, they all seem to have serious electanlity issues. While a lot has to do with Republican propaganda, it doesn't mean they dont have serious flaws

I would disagree with that supposed consensus, but I won't belabor that point.

Even if true, though, the consensus of a forum filled with (often wrong) amateur pundits/political geeks is hardly representative of the average American voter.

I'm just not sure how you can keep bringing up "electability issues" for certain Democratic candidates while ignoring those of the Republican candidates. Additionally, how is it an issue that Whitmer and Abrams only "came on the scene" in 2018, but it's not an issue that DeSantis only came on in 2018 as well.

The reality is that if we objectively extend your argument all the way out the only electable candidate for the GOP is Trump and Biden for the Dems.

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I definitely agree that the Gen X crop of Democrats is weak (Kamala Harris, Stacey Abrams, and Gretchen Whitmer are really the only ones I can think of as compelling national candidates down the line, unless some figures in the House manage to build themselves up like Katie Porter) but the millennial crop does have some compelling and appealing figures (Jason Kander, Mandela Barnes, Lauren Underwood) who still have plenty of time to build profiles and experience.

I like how you mentioned Abrams and Whitmer. They only appeared in 2018. Before that, Democrats spent the last decade losing races and focused on Obama/Hillary instead of building up the next generation of leaders.

Well, in fairness, in your original post for the Republicans you mentioned:

Trump--the former president
Hawley--a guy many don't know
DeSantis--who only really appeared in 2018

I'm just failing to see the argument.

It seems to the consensus on this forum that most big republican names can win in 2024 (Trump, Cruz, Hawley, DeSantis) but most Democrats are more likely to lose than win

My question is, why do GOP seem to have a stronger bench compared to Democrats? Unless your name is Obama/Biden, they all seem to have serious electanlity issues. While a lot has to do with Republican propaganda, it doesn't mean they dont have serious flaws

I would disagree with that supposed consensus, but I won't belabor that point.

Even if true, though, the consensus of a forum filled with (often wrong) amateur pundits/political geeks is hardly representative of the average American voter.

I'm just not sure how you can keep bringing up "electability issues" for certain Democratic candidates while ignoring those of the Republican candidates. Additionally, how is it an issue that Whitmer and Abrams only "came on the scene" in 2018, but it's not an issue that DeSantis only came on in 2018 as well.

The reality is that if we objectively extend your argument all the way out the only electable candidate for the GOP is Trump and Biden for the Dems.

I don't think most Democrats are electable. I supported Sanders and Warren in the primaries and in hindsight, they were not electable

Right now, I think the only Democrats who are electable are Obama, Biden, Julian Castro, and Sherrod Brown. Maybe Beto if he becomes Gov of Texas in 2022 and isn't so naive anymore

For Republicans, I think Trump, Don Jr, Rubio, Cruz, Scott, Hawley, Pence, and DeSantitis are electable. (Pence only if Trump endorses him)

That's more Republicans than Democrats

That's fine, but none of that is backing any of that up with anything other than your unsubstantiated personal opinion. I guess I was figuring as I made further arguments that you'd elaborate with something more in-depth.