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« on: June 22, 2022, 08:40:05 AM »

It's one of those funny translation issues: the word 'President' having more meanings in other languages than it does in English, where it always denotes the Head of State or an equivalent post with ceremonial importance: the President of a Trade Union as opposed to its General Secretary, for instance. So it should be 'Prime Minister' or 'Premier', but it's the sort of error that will happen occasionally. It isn't as bad as the ghastly, borderline illiterate but gloomily common, translation of Ministerpräsident into 'Minister President', or the undeniably illiterate translation of Partido Popular into 'Popular Party'.
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« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2023, 12:43:24 PM »

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How on Earth is it possible to make an error of that magnitude? Dear God.
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« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2023, 05:02:23 PM »

The thing about a scorched-earth campaign is that in order to be effective - and that doesn't necessarily mean victory: saving the furniture is often objective enough - it has to tap in to the fears, concerns and prejudices of enough of its target audience. If it doesn't, then it's just catastrophic: there's a reason why 'Is This The Face Of A Prime Minister' and the Demon Eyes posters are remembered, and it isn't because they worked.
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« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2023, 07:37:06 AM »


This is one of those rare situations where the answer genuinely is 'because he's an appalling excuse for a human being'. A complete nightmare to work or have anything else to do with and the electorate hate him as well.
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« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2023, 05:31:31 PM »

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« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2023, 05:57:55 PM »

It seems that Feijóo will make a desperate attempt to survive, claiming the party with the most votes has the right to govern.

literally Stephen Harper

Also Ted Heath!
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« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2023, 09:03:51 AM »

The Spanish right under-performs in national elections quite a lot, doesn't it? Even besides not winning a landslide in 1996, both 2004 and 2008 were on some level expected to be comfortable victories for them and both ended up as pretty narrow left-wing wins.

The PSOE has no greater friends than its various enemies (by which I don't just mean the PP).
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« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2023, 01:11:02 PM »

Catalonia is an integral part of Spain as seen by most people in Spain who are not Catalans. The number of people who are so brain-poisoned by partisan sentiment that they'd like to see a large and integral chunk of the country break away because it votes the wrong way is tiny. It's the same as in Britain: Conservatives who wish that the 2014 referendum in Scotland had gone the other way as Scotland is poor territory for the Conservatives are rather few in number, because that's just not a way of thinking that makes sense to more than a handful of people.
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« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2023, 09:47:50 AM »

The characteristically Spanish part is that very long tied middle. Little easing into the sharp beginnings and ends at all.
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« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2023, 03:00:42 PM »

Was it that secret? It's never been the stance of the CPC, or any party that truly fought for national power in Canada, but Reform was openly agnostic on the question of Quebec independence, and I think "better apart" is a pretty common sentiment among the Western Canadian non-fringe far-right (here meaning things like the right half of conservative parties, not random people on the Internet).

Reform was a particularist party that happened to be right wing, rather than a right wing party that happened to be particularist. It was as opposed to the grand nation building project undertaken by the Liberal Party since the 1960s as the Quebec nationalists, and this was why people voted for it. Specifically, it is why the party polled so well in British Columbia, which was never previously a right-wing stronghold and has not been subsequently. So it can't really be seen as the equivalent of the PP in any way.

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(Note that, as BK has documented, Catalonia isn't actually all that much of a problem for the Spanish right -- and in the pre-Vox days CiU had been a partner in at least one PP-led government -- but certainly Scotland is a very real problem for the British Tories. Quebec seems somewhere in between; BQ does not seem as hostile to the CPC as the SNP is to the Tories.)

Catalonia comprises about 16% of the population of Spain, whereas Scotland comprises about 8% of the United Kingdom's population.
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« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2023, 03:19:19 PM »

Or, to put things differently, Canada is not a nation state and an attempt to turn it into one fed into the already swelling wave of nationalist sentiment in Quebec while also sparking off a fierce regionalist backlash in the Western provinces. This is an entirely different situation to the Spanish one.
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« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2023, 08:09:39 AM »

Feijóo's investiture debate and vote is schedule for 26 and 27 September. If he fails, Sanchéz will get an opportunity and if he also fails, snap elections will be held during January 2024.

...why are they waiting an entire month to hold a parliamentary vote? You'd think government formation would be something the political system took with some sense of urgency.

I suppose the advantage of having such deep and extensive forms of political devolution as Spain does is that the pressing need really isn't there in the way it would in be in countries with more centralized political systems.
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« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2023, 09:47:52 AM »

Ah, the Erdogan strategy.
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« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2023, 01:17:35 PM »

Have to salute Sanchez on being such a crafty and tough SOB.

What I don't get from his particular magic is how he can get away with consistently holding contradictory positions or changing his red lines - or, to put it less kindly, lying through his teeth in an admirably ballsy manner - without encountering punishment from the electorate.

It can't just be his ability to pick the moment for an election or the transparent mediocrity of his rivals, surely?

I doubt he would appreciate the comparison, but that type of politician (exactly what the trick entails differs depending on political systems and contexts, but the skill set is always much the same) is not really a novelty:



It works until it doesn't. That can be a very long time, especially when most opposing forces are inept, foolish or both.
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« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2023, 01:33:24 PM »


In one of his many archly self-aware portraits, yes.
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