Who votes more for Dems in '24: Cops or firefighters?

[Suburbia]

Both are seen as "right-leaning occupations", which occupation votes for Democrats more?

[Cassandra]

Firefighters obviously.

[SnowLabrador]

Firefighters obviously.

[Suburbia]

Firefighters obviously.

If Harris is the nominee, the IAFF may support the GOP...

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

A more interesting question is which will have a stronger Democratic/weaker Republican trend. I'd bet on cops there.

[TransfemmeGoreVidal]

Firefighters obviously.

If Harris is the nominee, the IAFF may support the GOP...

Have they said as much? Does she have a bad record on issues of importance to firefighters???

[Never Made it to Graceland]

(Credit to John Dule)

[HagridOfTheDeep]

Firefighters obviously.

If Harris is the nominee, the IAFF may support the GOP...

Have they said as much? Does she have a bad record on issues of importance to firefighters???

As someone who has a [small], tangential “in” with the IAFF, I would say this is very unlikely. In 2016, endorsing Hillary was deemed untenable (cowards), but they never even entertained endorsing Trump.

I’m sure Harris will be crazy vilified, but I doubt the IAFF would so clearly endorse against their interests. Cops have an incentive to endorse the GOP because Republicans want no police accountability whatsoever. Firefighters get nothing by endorsing the GOP except an Oval Office mouthpiece for their cultural grievances.

That said, Ed Kelly as the new president of the IAFF puts the organization on a different path that will be a lot more conservative-friendly. He is a huge slimeball who laments corruption but still spends the “brothers’ and sisters’” money lavishly on his own luxuries, so in that way he’s kind of in the mold of Trump. He exploited populism, male fragility, and cultural issues to win and knows the members are mostly huge Trumpists.

That was a lot of words to say that yes, the IAFF will become less powerful in Democratic politics, but that I still don’t think they’d outright endorse the GOP.

[Suburbia]

Firefighters obviously.

If Harris is the nominee, the IAFF may support the GOP...

Have they said as much? Does she have a bad record on issues of importance to firefighters???

As someone who has a [small], tangential “in” with the IAFF, I would say this is very unlikely. In 2016, endorsing Hillary was deemed untenable (cowards), but they never even entertained endorsing Trump.

I’m sure Harris will be crazy vilified, but I doubt the IAFF would so clearly endorse against their interests. Cops have an incentive to endorse the GOP because Republicans want no police accountability whatsoever. Firefighters get nothing by endorsing the GOP except an Oval Office mouthpiece for their cultural grievances.

That said, Ed Kelly as the new president of the IAFF puts the organization on a different path that will be a lot more conservative-friendly. He is a huge slimeball who laments corruption but still spends the “brothers’ and sisters’” money lavishly on his own luxuries, so in that way he’s kind of in the mold of Trump. He exploited populism, male fragility, and cultural issues to win and knows the members are mostly huge Trumpists.

That was a lot of words to say that yes, the IAFF will become less powerful in Democratic politics, but that I still don’t think they’d outright endorse the GOP.

I think they will still be powerful, because a lot of Black and Latino firefighters are in the IAFF as well....

[S019]

Are you seriously asking this question after 2020?

[Interlocutor is just not there yet]

Firefighters, because I find them to be a center/lean-left group anyway (Even before comparing them to cops)

[Suburbia]

Firefighters obviously.

If Harris is the nominee, the IAFF may support the GOP...

Have they said as much? Does she have a bad record on issues of importance to firefighters???

As someone who has a [small], tangential “in” with the IAFF, I would say this is very unlikely. In 2016, endorsing Hillary was deemed untenable (cowards), but they never even entertained endorsing Trump.

I’m sure Harris will be crazy vilified, but I doubt the IAFF would so clearly endorse against their interests. Cops have an incentive to endorse the GOP because Republicans want no police accountability whatsoever. Firefighters get nothing by endorsing the GOP except an Oval Office mouthpiece for their cultural grievances.

That said, Ed Kelly as the new president of the IAFF puts the organization on a different path that will be a lot more conservative-friendly. He is a huge slimeball who laments corruption but still spends the “brothers’ and sisters’” money lavishly on his own luxuries, so in that way he’s kind of in the mold of Trump. He exploited populism, male fragility, and cultural issues to win and knows the members are mostly huge Trumpists.

That was a lot of words to say that yes, the IAFF will become less powerful in Democratic politics, but that I still don’t think they’d outright endorse the GOP.

Weren't they already GOP-leaning already before Trump? With Richard Nixon in 1968/1972 along with the hardhats that used to attack antiwar Vietnam War protesters?

It's the Rizzo/Pete King/Richard Riordan/Rudy Giuliani model replicated in other states and nationally: Under Giuliani's mayoralty, his budget had increases in the police and fire municipal budget approved by centrist Queens Democrat, City Council President Peter Vallone, despite the 2001 budget not giving emergency radiophones to firefighters on 9/11.......

https://news.gallup.com/poll/248525/non-college-whites-affinity-gop-trump.aspx

Police nor fire departments should not be politicized, but they have been.....

[Intell]

Before Trump came along, firefighters were probably 50D/50R, cops have always leaned R, apart from like Clinton in 96'.