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« on: February 21, 2021, 06:57:26 PM »

I can see several antiwar candidates getting attention......
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« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2021, 08:01:18 PM »

No, 2020 was unique in that in the general election, there was little talk of American ventures overseas. A product of that is Bernie Sanders losing in the primary and there being more attention-raising issues with Covid and the protests, but the fact that both candidates advancing to the GE are very much not anti-war is something as well.

With the Democratic establishment more unified than ever with progressives kowtowing to Biden since the convention, there’s no real appetite or care anymore. Even in the third party scene the care seems to be increasingly focused on COVID stimulus and aid, along with issues affecting people’s living standards during this precarious time.

I suspect this might be subject to change as a sort of attempt to pull disgruntled progressives to third parties, but weaker than ever and less pronounced given that’s not where the care is anymore to get people energized. Unless Biden starts a war, which case could be like his Benghazi and Syria, that is changing of nothing.

Edit: oh this is on Afghanistan. People especially don’t care about it now.
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« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2021, 08:07:59 PM »

Yes, we can't leave and we are in the Persian Gulf anyways,cuts the oil supply, and we will have troops there as residual forces indefinitely.

That's why we pulled out of Vietnam, we have forces all over as residuals indefinitely
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« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2021, 08:09:25 PM »

No, no one cares about this
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« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2021, 10:00:48 PM »

If there are still boots on the ground as opposed to mercenaries, spooks, a few “advisors” and a swarm of drones.
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« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2021, 11:34:48 PM »

Nobody cares now, nobody will care then. The Afghanistan War involves like 5000 US troops and has next to no effect on any other part of policy.
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« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2021, 02:03:03 PM »

From the US public prespective, its not a "war" like it was in 2002-2010ish


Its more of a over glorified peacekeeping operation. No one cares anymore and its been a non factor in 2012, 2016, and 2020
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« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2021, 02:04:15 PM »

From the US public prespective, its not a "war" like it was in 2002-2010ish


Its more of a over glorified peacekeeping operation. No one cares anymore and its been a non factor in 2012, 2016, and 2020

It's a waste of money and resources
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« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2021, 02:19:59 PM »



I think the reason the US cares less about Afghanistan than they once did is obvious. The frequency of fatal violence against American troops in Afghanistan has fallen so drastically from the old days that most Americans without active servicepeople in the family don't regularly remember the mission is ongoing. If we were still losing 200-400 people a year over there, it'd be a far more proximate issue for most. And THAT'S a factor of us only having ~5,000 people over there rather than ~25,000 people over there like we did back then, too.
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« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2021, 05:57:58 PM »

No, 2020 was unique in that in the general election, there was little talk of American ventures overseas. A product of that is Bernie Sanders losing in the primary and there being more attention-raising issues with Covid and the protests, but the fact that both candidates advancing to the GE are very much not anti-war is something as well.

How is Bernie losing a product of voter sentiment on our overseas ventures? Both of his primary runs had little spotlight on foreign policy.

I think it's more the Democratic Party as a whole (And the GOP, gradually so) putting less emphasis on foreign policy over the last few years.
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« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2021, 05:39:08 PM »

No, 2020 was unique in that in the general election, there was little talk of American ventures overseas. A product of that is Bernie Sanders losing in the primary and there being more attention-raising issues with Covid and the protests, but the fact that both candidates advancing to the GE are very much not anti-war is something as well.

How is Bernie losing a product of voter sentiment on our overseas ventures? Both of his primary runs had little spotlight on foreign policy.

I think it's more the Democratic Party as a whole (And the GOP, gradually so) putting less emphasis on foreign policy over the last few years.

Sanders definitely didn't campaign on his own foreign policy agenda, but he did criticize Clinton's vote for the Iraq War frequently in 2016. Not so much in a 'Clinton has bad foreign policy ideas' sort of way, but in a 'Clinton has a track record of making poor decisions and siding with Republicans' sort of way.
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« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2021, 08:24:07 AM »

We are in the Persian Gulf indefinitely to protect Israel from Iran and Syria, having residual forces in the Persian Gulf is a thing now just like we are stationed in Japan
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« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2021, 01:40:03 PM »



I think the reason the US cares less about Afghanistan than they once did is obvious. The frequency of fatal violence against American troops in Afghanistan has fallen so drastically from the old days that most Americans without active servicepeople in the family don't regularly remember the mission is ongoing. If we were still losing 200-400 people a year over there, it'd be a far more proximate issue for most. And THAT'S a factor of us only having ~5,000 people over there rather than ~25,000 people over there like we did back then, too.

We need to get out of these countries
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« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2021, 05:26:11 PM »

We are already on the Persian Gulf, we have access to Afghanistan and Syria and Iran Indefinitely due to oil supply we are leaving
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« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2021, 12:15:38 AM »

Only if there's some sort of major disaster there. Other than that, it will have no real effect on the election.
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