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« Reply #275 on: May 02, 2021, 03:31:18 AM »

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« Reply #276 on: May 02, 2021, 03:46:47 AM »

Not much.

Maybe Dems could do worse than usually because of a decline in turnout in urban areas, while the continued urban-rural trend to more polarisation helps the Rs more.

Dems could lose seats or don’t win additional Senate races, even though Biden is somewhat popular next year.
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« Reply #277 on: May 02, 2021, 04:02:58 AM »

We already knew 2022 would be an R wave from the moment Biden was elected, so this gives us no new information.
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« Reply #278 on: May 02, 2021, 05:43:21 AM »

With 100% in Ellzey leads Sanchez by 354 votes for the second slot. Wright called as the winner of the first slot, no call for the second slot.

District-wide partisan total: Republicans 62.1, Democrats 37.1, ind (Mizher) 0.4, Libertarian 0.3

There are reasons to take this number with a grain of salt -- the local majority party always over-performs open jungle primaries, Democrats are notoriously sh**t at Texas special elections, the Republican candidates put in way more effort here, incumbents usually get a sympathy boost in a special election caused by a death, turnout was low -- but even considering all that, R+25 in a Trump+3 seat is way better for the GOP than any polling here or anywhere else suggested, and for them to out-perform Romney in this left-trending seat is astounding. (This was Romney '12 58-41, Trump '16 54-42, Trump '20 51-48. Abbott '18 56-42, Abbott '14 58-40...). Balls-to-the-wall performance.

EDIT: The "Obama Second Term, Second Time" vibes are really strong with this outcome.

Yeah this is crazy, 2022 definitely seems like it's the republicans' to lose now.
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« Reply #279 on: May 02, 2021, 06:12:42 AM »

I've just read in the main thread that the R/D overall party vote was 62/37 while Wright (R) won it by just 9 points (53/44) in 2020. This is like reverse GA-06 where the R candidate won by just 4 points (52/48) in 2017 in a district that had gone 62/38 to the incumbent just a few months earlier. While there's always many ways to explain such a movement, it definitely seems like a very bad omen for the democratic party's chances in 2022. This is even worse for the dems because this district is supposed to be trending their way (while GA-06 was already moving away from the GOP even prior to that result).
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« Reply #280 on: May 02, 2021, 06:15:07 AM »
« Edited: May 02, 2021, 06:09:36 PM by Pericles »

One special election doesn't mean much but if there's a pattern then that is meaningful. If there is a clear, consistent pattern of rightward swings, the Democratic majority is likely even more doomed than ig already is. We just need to wait and see.
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« Reply #281 on: May 02, 2021, 06:44:43 AM »
« Edited: May 02, 2021, 07:14:08 AM by VAR »

Not much, really. Turnout was incredibly low, even by Texas standards. For comparison's sake, despite getting the same % as Karen Handel, Susan Wright received less than half of the votes Handel received in the first round (!!).

I don't think such a low-turnout election can provide us with useful datapoints.
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« Reply #282 on: May 02, 2021, 07:24:39 AM »


It tells us that you still haven’t kept your promise to leave Atlas for a year if Osoff and Warnock won.
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« Reply #283 on: May 02, 2021, 10:09:36 AM »

On the one hand, Texas special elections have always been very R-skewed (losing a Dem-held state senate seat in 2018 for example), and national Democrats made basically zero effort here.  On the other hand, this was in aggregate the best R performance ever in this district.  That could be important.  This district has been something of a disappointment for Democrats vs. the North Dallas suburban seats.  I believe even O'Rourke lost it? 
   
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« Reply #284 on: May 02, 2021, 10:12:59 AM »


He did better than Big Dan at least!

Anyway, I wonder how the results will affect redistricting in the DFW area.

Well, Wright is I believe from the inner suburbs and Ellzey is from an outer rural county, so it depends heavily on who wins.  Given the closeness in 2020, the legislature probably wants to pull it further out of DFW, which would be easier if Ellzey wins the runoff.

 
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« Reply #285 on: May 02, 2021, 10:23:17 AM »
« Edited: May 02, 2021, 10:36:50 AM by Brittain33 »


That if Dems don't contest the elections and don't have a party presence or bench in districts, they'll do worse than they would in a normal general or mid-term.

Also, 2022 is unlikely to be a 2018 environment for Dems.
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« Reply #286 on: May 02, 2021, 10:25:52 AM »

I've just read in the main thread that the R/D overall party vote was 62/37 while Wright (R) won it by just 9 points (53/44) in 2020. This is like reverse GA-06 where the R candidate won by just 4 points (52/48) in 2017 in a district that had gone 62/38 to the incumbent just a few months earlier. While there's always many ways to explain such a movement, it definitely seems like a very bad omen for the democratic party's chances in 2022. This is even worse for the dems because this district is supposed to be trending their way (while GA-06 was already moving away from the GOP even prior to that result).

The difference is that the GA-6 special had enormous turnout from both parties who nationalized it while this was a low-turnout, multi-candidate special where the front-runner won with 15,000 votes.

Total votes cast:
GA-6, 2017 first round: 192,569
TX-6: 78,374 (NYT)
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« Reply #287 on: May 02, 2021, 10:37:36 AM »


It tells us that you still haven’t kept your promise to leave Atlas for a year if Osoff and Warnock won.

We're going to have an enormous WELCOME BACK WOODBURY! thread and celebration in January 2022, aren't we?
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« Reply #288 on: May 02, 2021, 10:40:01 AM »

Sanchez concedes, officially making the runoff R vs R:

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« Reply #289 on: May 02, 2021, 11:22:05 AM »

With 100% in Ellzey leads Sanchez by 354 votes for the second slot. Wright called as the winner of the first slot, no call for the second slot.

District-wide partisan total: Republicans 62.1, Democrats 37.1, ind (Mizher) 0.4, Libertarian 0.3

There are reasons to take this number with a grain of salt -- the local majority party always over-performs open jungle primaries, Democrats are notoriously sh**t at Texas special elections, the Republican candidates put in way more effort here, incumbents usually get a sympathy boost in a special election caused by a death, turnout was low -- but even considering all that, R+25 in a Trump+3 seat is way better for the GOP than any polling here or anywhere else suggested, and for them to out-perform Romney in this left-trending seat is astounding. (This was Romney '12 58-41, Trump '16 54-42, Trump '20 51-48. Abbott '18 56-42, Abbott '14 58-40...). Balls-to-the-wall performance.

EDIT: The "Obama Second Term, Second Time" vibes are really strong with this outcome.

If we wanted to draw hot-take conclusions from this low turnout election, it would be that Trump really is out of sight and the Twitter ban worked, and that the suburban upper middle class that flipped to Biden might support a Third Way Democrat but not an old-school tax-and-spend liberal, which is what Biden is becoming. They still hate it when the government takes money out of their pockets to give to poor people, and now they don't have the orange boogeyman to oppose anymore. If Biden continues like this he better hope that he will gain support among the working class (of all races) to offset this or else another 2010 is coming.
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« Reply #290 on: May 02, 2021, 11:39:03 AM »

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« Reply #291 on: May 02, 2021, 11:40:08 AM »

% with Bachelor's or higher:

TX-2: 38%
TX-3: 51%
TX-7: 44%
TX-10: 35%
TX-21: 43%
TX-22: 39%
TX-24: 43%
TX-25: 35%
TX-32: 40%

TX-6: 27%

Others:
GA-6: 56%
GA-7: 38%
MI-8: 37%
MI-11: 44%
PA-17: 41%
CA-45: 50%
NJ-7: 48%
NJ-11: 50%

GOP flips in 2020 after Dem 2018:
CA-39: 39%
CA-48: 42%

This district's Democratic trend is mainly because of changing demographics, not Rs switching sides like the more educated suburbs. Lower propensity voters in these places tend to be Dems, hurting the party in off year elections. CA-25 is a perfect example, 26% with college degree or higher and Dems completely struggled in the special election (lost by 10) but Biden still won by 10 in the fall. Of course Smith was an awful candidate and Dems couldn't win the House seat but it was a coin flip.

My point isn't that Dems will win or lose the House, it's that districts like TX-6 are not as good for them in non-presidential years. For the GOP, I would throw out PA-8 as a good example that is probably better for them in presidential than a midterm. TX-6 is is SIGNIFICANTLY less educated than districts the Dems have recently gained. Just because it is suburban and Sun-Belt doesn't mean it is the same.

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« Reply #292 on: May 02, 2021, 11:45:47 AM »

We are still in the middle of a Pandemic and by next yr we should be in full recovery mode, but are gonna win our base states of Cali, NJ and VA in a special Election

It remains to be seen if we can make a wave of  it in 500 days

Generic ballot 47:42 D and Prez party is supposed to lose seats
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« Reply #293 on: May 02, 2021, 11:49:49 AM »

Has Madison Cawthorn endorsed yet? Will he be barnstorming/barnwheeling the district?

How about Dan Crenshaw, Ron DeSantis, and AOC? Who have they endorsed?
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« Reply #294 on: May 02, 2021, 11:51:38 AM »

% with Bachelor's or higher:

TX-2: 38%
TX-3: 51%
TX-7: 44%
TX-10: 35%
TX-21: 43%
TX-22: 39%
TX-24: 43%
TX-25: 35%
TX-32: 40%

TX-6: 27%

Others:
GA-6: 56%
GA-7: 38%
MI-8: 37%
MI-11: 44%
PA-17: 41%
CA-45: 50%
NJ-7: 48%
NJ-11: 50%

GOP flips in 2020 after Dem 2018:
CA-39: 39%
CA-48: 42%

This district's Democratic trend is mainly because of changing demographics, not Rs switching sides like the more educated suburbs. Lower propensity voters in these places tend to be Dems, hurting the party in off year elections. CA-25 is a perfect example, 26% with college degree or higher and Dems completely struggled in the special election (lost by 10) but Biden still won by 10 in the fall. Of course Smith was an awful candidate and Dems couldn't win the House seat but it was a coin flip.

My point isn't that Dems will win or lose the House, it's that districts like TX-6 are not as good for them in non-presidential years. For the GOP, I would throw out PA-8 as a good example that is probably better for them in presidential than a midterm. TX-6 is is SIGNIFICANTLY less educated than districts the Dems have recently gained. Just because it is suburban and Sun-Belt doesn't mean it is the same.


some other data about this district;

1. 34.5% of whites in the district have a ba or higher (ranking 212th out of all CD's, slightly below national %)
2. average white income is $80,090, ranking 126th in the nation.
3. Tarrant county's blue suburbs and white precincts also showed far more republican votes in this low turnout special

While doomsday is silly, this is not a good result for democrats, no matter how you try to spin it. this is a district where they should do well, even with a fragile turnout coalition.
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« Reply #295 on: May 02, 2021, 12:10:02 PM »

Personally, I think the "Democrats just lost the House" takes are just as silly as the "Democrats have nothing to worry about" takes. Democrats were substantial underdogs in the House before this election and they're substantial underdogs now. This should be a wake-up call to Democrats that they need to be preparing yesterday, but it's not the end of the world, either.
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« Reply #296 on: May 02, 2021, 12:30:26 PM »

After today, the only question now is whether Democrats lose 20 or 50 seats.


They aren’t gonna lose 50 seats as they don’t have the amount of seats currently to lose that much
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« Reply #297 on: May 02, 2021, 01:02:54 PM »

My point is elections like VA and down the ballot there in less blue but still Biden won state leg. districts might tell us a lot more about 2022.
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« Reply #298 on: May 02, 2021, 01:06:14 PM »

Congratulations Speaker Kevin McCarthy
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« Reply #299 on: May 02, 2021, 01:23:47 PM »


Respond to the people you've been ignoring on your AMA, then leave the forum for a year.
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