Would Warren have done even worse in the Rio Grande Valley?

[falling apart like the ashes of American flags]

Yes, I can only imagine how much more they would've hated Mrs. "Latinx" there.

[Chips]

Probably. Starr probably finally flips.

[Mr.Bakari-Sellers]

HEGAR wasn't a strong candidate to help win TX for us

[kaoras]

Yes, I can only imagine how much more they would've hated Mrs. "Latinx" there.

You seem even more obsessed with that term than Twitter, god.

It was woke spanish speakers who invented lenguaje inclusivo, so maybe you should stop acting like is some kind of ethnic slur that the poor defenseless latinos should be protected from.

[MRS. MEE SUM CHU]

Only to the extent that she fails to turn out D voters by as much as Biden did. The RGV swing was almost entirely due to 2016 nonvoters turning out for the incumbent, which would’ve happened regardless of who the D nominee was.

[Horus]

Yes, I can only imagine how much more they would've hated Mrs. "Latinx" there.

You seem even more obsessed with that term than Twitter, god.

It was woke spanish speakers who invented lenguaje inclusivo, so maybe you should stop acting like is some kind of ethnic slur that the poor defenseless latinos should be protected from.

But isn't lenguaje inclusivo when -e is put at the end of words instead of -o or -a? Where did the X come from? Been awhile since I've taken Spanish so I'm happy to be wrong.

[falling apart like the ashes of American flags]

Yes, I can only imagine how much more they would've hated Mrs. "Latinx" there.

You seem even more obsessed with that term than Twitter, god.

It was woke spanish speakers who invented lenguaje inclusivo, so maybe you should stop acting like is some kind of ethnic slur that the poor defenseless latinos should be protected from.

The vast majority do not identify with the term. Do you honestly believe most people in the RGV of all places do? Regardless of who started it it is now undeniable that the term is mostly used by Anglos in a performative way.

Also this guy is a "woke Spanish speaker":
https://twitter.com/RubenGallego/status/1324071039085670401?s=19

[kaoras]

Yes, I can only imagine how much more they would've hated Mrs. "Latinx" there.

You seem even more obsessed with that term than Twitter, god.

It was woke spanish speakers who invented lenguaje inclusivo, so maybe you should stop acting like is some kind of ethnic slur that the poor defenseless latinos should be protected from.

But isn't lenguaje inclusivo when -e is put at the end of words instead of -o or -a? Where did the X come from? Been awhile since I've taken Spanish so I'm happy to be wrong.

It can be written in many different ways. From what was said the last time this topic was brought up in Spain is more common to use an x. In South America is a more common ending with an e but a  friend who studies Humanities told me recently that a college professor asked him to write papers using lenguaje inclusivo and he did it with an x because it was easier.

Yes, I can only imagine how much more they would've hated Mrs. "Latinx" there.

You seem even more obsessed with that term than Twitter, god.

It was woke spanish speakers who invented lenguaje inclusivo, so maybe you should stop acting like is some kind of ethnic slur that the poor defenseless latinos should be protected from.

The vast majority do not identify with the term. Do you honestly believe most people in the RGV of all places do? Regardless of who started it it is now undeniable that the term is mostly used by Anglos in a performative way.

Also this guy is a "woke Spanish speaker"

Look, If you are under 30 and speak Spanish the only thing you have to do to see lenguaje inclusivo is to open Instagram. Regarding RGV, if the primaries results are any indication Warren would have done horrible, but the actual purpose of this thread seems to be to bash the "latinx" word. Just get over it, a minority of latinos use the language that way. Is not just anglos.

[falling apart like the ashes of American flags]

Yes, I can only imagine how much more they would've hated Mrs. "Latinx" there.

You seem even more obsessed with that term than Twitter, god.

It was woke spanish speakers who invented lenguaje inclusivo, so maybe you should stop acting like is some kind of ethnic slur that the poor defenseless latinos should be protected from.

But isn't lenguaje inclusivo when -e is put at the end of words instead of -o or -a? Where did the X come from? Been awhile since I've taken Spanish so I'm happy to be wrong.

It can be written in many different ways. From what was said the last time this topic was brought up in Spain is more common to use an x. In South America is a more common ending with an e but a  friend who studies Humanities told me recently that a college professor asked him to write papers using lenguaje inclusivo and he did it with an x because it was easier.

Yes, I can only imagine how much more they would've hated Mrs. "Latinx" there.

You seem even more obsessed with that term than Twitter, god.

It was woke spanish speakers who invented lenguaje inclusivo, so maybe you should stop acting like is some kind of ethnic slur that the poor defenseless latinos should be protected from.

The vast majority do not identify with the term. Do you honestly believe most people in the RGV of all places do? Regardless of who started it it is now undeniable that the term is mostly used by Anglos in a performative way.

Also this guy is a "woke Spanish speaker"

Look, If you are under 30 and speak Spanish the only thing you have to do to see lenguaje inclusivo is to open Instagram. Regarding RGV, if the primaries results are any indication Warren would have done horrible, but the actual purpose of this thread seems to be to bash the "latinx" word. Just get over it, a minority of latinos use the language that way. Is not just anglos.

"A minority" is 3%. That's WAY less than the percentage that voted for Trump even in 2016. That's even less than the percentage of blacks that voted for Trump. It's not a mainstream thing.

[kaoras]

If believing that makes you happy, whatever.

[The Houstonian]

Yes, I can only imagine how much more they would've hated Mrs. "Latinx" there.

You seem even more obsessed with that term than Twitter, god.

It was woke spanish speakers who invented lenguaje inclusivo, so maybe you should stop acting like is some kind of ethnic slur that the poor defenseless latinos should be protected from.

It is common courtesy is to refer to people using the name they prefer. Elizabeth Warren is being uncourteous to most Latinos by referring to them as "Latinx." This is relevant to this thread because presumably, most voters prefer for candidates to treat them courteously.

[falling apart like the ashes of American flags]

If believing that makes you happy, whatever.

Do you have any proof more than 3% of Latinos use "Latinx"? Like that has statistical basis and polling numbers and isn't based on someone's Instagram feed or whatever.

[kaoras]

If believing that makes you happy, whatever.

Do you have any proof more than 3% of Latinos use "Latinx"? Like that has statistical basis and polling numbers and isn't based on someone's Instagram feed or whatever.

There's surprisingly little polling on that but a poll from Argentina said that 21% use it either frequently or occasionally.

[Skill and Chance]

Warren << Biden in 2020 and would have lost, but Warren >> Clinton in 2016 and would have won if she ran then.

[Motorcity]

If believing that makes you happy, whatever.

Do you have any proof more than 3% of Latinos use "Latinx"? Like that has statistical basis and polling numbers and isn't based on someone's Instagram feed or whatever.

There's surprisingly little polling on that but a poll from Argentina said that 21% use it either frequently or occasionally.

My man, I work with Hispanic Americans every day. I am a school teacher in the sun belt. I’ve taught in middle and high school. Depending on the year, anywhere from 20-40% of my students are Hispanic. Usually around 30%. I’ve taught recent immigrants to third generation.

And literally NO ONE uses that term. No one from students to their parents.

It’s usually

-Hispanic
-Latino
-Mexican American (Or what ever country)

LatinX is just disrespectful. Maybe you can use that silly term in San Francisco but no socially conservative areas like the RGV

All the evidence suggests that the vast majority do not use that term and that honestly makes me happy

[MATTROSE94]

Probably. Starr probably finally flips.

Starr County I have flipping in 2024 by a comfortable margin to the Republican nominee. I agree that Elizabeth Warren would have easily lost it in 2020 as well if she were the Democratic nominee. Honestly, Elizabeth Warren would have been lucky to have hit 171 EVs if she was the 2020 Democratic nominee.

[falling apart like the ashes of American flags]

If believing that makes you happy, whatever.

Do you have any proof more than 3% of Latinos use "Latinx"? Like that has statistical basis and polling numbers and isn't based on someone's Instagram feed or whatever.

There's surprisingly little polling on that but a poll from Argentina said that 21% use it either frequently or occasionally.

A US poll said 3%: https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=387985.0

And even 21% is less than the percentage of Latinos Trump won in 2016. Hence the point.

Also there's a difference between "frequently or occasionally" (emphasis mine) and "non-Spanish speakers using it as the default term for Latinos as a form of performative wokeness in an effort to get acclaim from other woke culture warriors" which is the vast majority of the use of the term now, and exactly why I hate it so much. If a few Spanish speaking college students just invented a silly word to refer to themselves then whatever. And that's also the context of Warren's use of it.

And please note that Julian Castro never used the term, and neither did Beto (no he's not Latino, but in terms of his cultural upbringing and background he might as well be.) So I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that usage of it is probably well under 21% amongst say, ranchers in Starr County.

[Interlocutor]

I love how quickly BRTD went from "How would Warren do in the RGV?" to "I'm not obsessed with 'latinx'. ALL YOU WOKE LIBERALS OBSESSED WITH 'LATINX' ! Here's a tweet from a woke liberal about how obsessed they are about 'latinx'! And here's more about how dumb 'latinx' is! God, I'm sick of 'latinx'".

If only BRTD didn't mention 'latinx' in the first sentence of this thread, he probably wouldn't look as obsessed about it. Though seeing how easily baited he is by the term, I feel he was begging for it

[falling apart like the ashes of American flags]

Yes, I can only imagine how much more they would've hated Mrs. "Latinx" there.

You seem even more obsessed with that term than Twitter, god.

It was woke spanish speakers who invented lenguaje inclusivo, so maybe you should stop acting like is some kind of ethnic slur that the poor defenseless latinos should be protected from.

I think what you have to understand is that my issue with the term isn't so much young Spanish speakers who created it for themselves (in which case I would think it's silly but whatever. It could be to them what Freedom Fighter/Horrible Person is here), but rather Anglos using it in a performative manner.

Now which of those categories does Warren fall under?

[vileplume]

If believing that makes you happy, whatever.

Do you have any proof more than 3% of Latinos use "Latinx"? Like that has statistical basis and polling numbers and isn't based on someone's Instagram feed or whatever.

There's surprisingly little polling on that but a poll from Argentina said that 21% use it either frequently or occasionally.

My man, I work with Hispanic Americans every day. I am a school teacher in the sun belt. I’ve taught in middle and high school. Depending on the year, anywhere from 20-40% of my students are Hispanic. Usually around 30%. I’ve taught recent immigrants to third generation.

And literally NO ONE uses that term. No one from students to their parents.

It’s usually

-Hispanic
-Latino
-Mexican American (Or what ever country)

LatinX is just disrespectful. Maybe you can use that silly term in San Francisco but no socially conservative areas like the RGV

All the evidence suggests that the vast majority do not use that term and that honestly makes me happy

I've honestly never understood why people don't just use 'Latin' (or just stick to Hispanic) if they want to use a Gender Neutral term as it makes far more sense grammatically and is less likely to get peoples' backs up than shoving a random 'x' on the end of the term.

Obviously Ruben Gallego is being slightly facetious in his Tweet but there is actually quite a bit of truth in it. If a politician insists on referring to a group of people in a way that they don't generally like with a term that virtually nobody in that group uses (especially if said politician is not part of the group themselves) then it will inevitably create a certain amount of bad blood which can be exploited by political opponents.

[Gracile]

Probably, though I think Warren would have done poorly (compared to Biden) in a number of places.

[Mr.Bakari-Sellers]

HEGAR did about the same as Valdez, Joaquin is the future of D's stateside office not Beto and it wasn't Valdez or Hegar

[MRS. MEE SUM CHU]

Probably, though I think Warren would have done poorly (compared to Biden) in a number of places.

Counterpoint: A Warren who could’ve realistically won the D nomination wouldn’t have been sandwiched between both Biden and Sanders, and would’ve had a broader support base than excessively woke, high-engagement academic/activist types.

The race would've played out very differently if the other lanes hadn't been filled.  Sanders had his base to the left of Warren- probably the most loyal of the bases, and then moderates and blacks stuck with Biden since the beginning and never really looked elsewhere.. something I didn't think would happen but became obvious by last summer.  This left Warren chasing after the most fickle segment of the party and that was always going to be like nailing jello.  I wonder if the better strategy would've been to just target one of these bases specifically (either Sanders or Biden) and put everything into trying to unseat one of them and take their faction.

But since this is basically just a BRTD mini-rant about “Latinx” and Latino identity (despite not being Latino himself), I’ll throw in my 2€ as well.

"Latino" = "Latin America", which better captures how racialized the Latino identity is in the US. "Hispanic" just means you grew up speaking Spanish, it doesn't imply any sort of cultural connection with Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, or any other Latin American group.

Skip to 9:58 for some Brazilian Portuguese