Two things that made me feel good about the election

[Motorcity]

1. Everyone knows Hillary Clinton won the popular vote in 2016. But if you combined the Trump vote and Gary Johnson vote, that would have been more than the combined Hillary and Jill Stein vote. This fact has hung over me for years. Did more Americans really want conservative policy?

Since Biden won a majority of the vote and most third party votes in 2016 flipping to him, its obvious more Libeterrean votes in 2016 were protest votes and actually wanted a Democrat over a republican. This has brought relief to me.

2. Another thing that has brought relief to me is the popular vote margin. In 2016, Hillary had had a national 3 million vote lead over Trump. The lead in California was 4 million and several Republicans said that Trump won the national popular vote without California. Sure, this doesn't matter but it worried me with the thought that Trump won the national popular vote outside of California.

But this year, Biden had a 7 million vote lead. In California, Biden led Trump by 5 million. So Biden still won the national popular vote even without California.

Thoughts?

[ProgressiveModerate]

I agree that's it's good to know liberal policies are nationally popular, but it should be concerning that Trump came closer to winning in 2020 despite doing 7 points worse than Hillary Clinton. The EC-PV divide is prone to swinging wildly, and while that could mean it shrinks in 2024, it could grow to +7. In the Senate foir instance, NH-Sen 2016 was the tipping point and that ended up voting 10 points to the right of the collective Senate PV over the course of these past 3 cycles. The House seems to be a bit less of a problem going forwards though.

I do think it should be concerning for the GOP though because they're relying on a delicate path to 270 that involves large states like TX and FL which narrowly vote to the right of the nation, but that might not be the case in 10 years from now, and they really have very few states to turn to; MI/WI/PA by themselves aren't enough to make up, NV/NH/ME are all pretty small, and NM/IL/MN/DE will take a lot of work and reaching out to new voters they don't do well with.

[Chips]

Interesting.

[Mr.Bakari-Sellers]

The South is gonna rise again for the Rs, in 2022/ but it still maynot be enough to win Congress due to our Latino districts in the House.

In the Senate and Govs WI, PA are gonna move left and GA with it's runoff system is gonna move Right

The R South will rise again in 2022

This is Recession politics, but of course, if there isnt any Recession in 2022/2024 things will go differenly, but the vaccines are going way too slowly due to fact Trump didn't give briefings on Covid to BIDEN

[Skill and Chance]

I agree that's it's good to know liberal policies are nationally popular, but it should be concerning that Trump came closer to winning in 2020 despite doing 7 points worse than Hillary Clinton. The EC-PV divide is prone to swinging wildly, and while that could mean it shrinks in 2024, it could grow to +7. In the Senate foir instance, NH-Sen 2016 was the tipping point and that ended up voting 10 points to the right of the collective Senate PV over the course of these past 3 cycles. The House seems to be a bit less of a problem going forwards though.

I do think it should be concerning for the GOP though because they're relying on a delicate path to 270 that involves large states like TX and FL which narrowly vote to the right of the nation, but that might not be the case in 10 years from now, and they really have very few states to turn to; MI/WI/PA by themselves aren't enough to make up, NV/NH/ME are all pretty small, and NM/IL/MN/DE will take a lot of work and reaching out to new voters they don't do well with.

Contrary to my expectations, EC/PV became more of a problem, but the House (holding by 5 seats with a PV margin that would have generated a Biden loss) and even Senate (Biden winning 25 states with <5% NPV lead) became less of a problem.   

The big question mark here is Texas, which would flip the EC advantage and potentially give Dems a long House majority if it starts voting left of the nation, but it makes the Senate almost likely R in a close election.