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« on: January 30, 2021, 09:45:26 AM »

The area I live in, Zell am See (or the Pinzgau) district (now modern Austria) was part of the Kingdom of Noricum before and during the Roman Empire.



Before that, during the time of the Celtic culture/settlement of Europe (about 5000 before Christ to ca. 50 before Christ), the region was home to the Ambisontes or Ambisonti tribe, a mountainous Celtic tribe in the advanced Hallstatt culture.

„Ambisontes“ is a reference to the main river here, the Salzach, which was called „Isonta“ by the Roman Empire cartographs.

Ambisontes or Ambisonti therefore means „(Peoples) living on both sides of the river (Isonta)“.



In the years 40-50, Roman Emperor Claudiusˋ army marched north and defeated about 45 Celtic tribes living in the Alps, among them the Ambisontes (which, unlike other Celtic tribes, met the Roman Army with the fiercest resistance).

But they were still defeated and incorporated as a major salt-trading province into the Roman Empire.

The province of Noricum also provided the best steel weaponry for the army at the time.

The conquest of the Ambisontes tribe and the 40 or so other tribes is enshrined in the Tropaeum Alpium near Monaco in southern France:



It reads:

To the emperor Caesar Augustus, son of the deified [Julius Caesar], Pontifex Maximus, hailed as Imperator for the 14th time, in his 17th year of tribunician power, the Senate and people of Rome [built this], in commemoration that, under his leadership and auspices, all the Alpine peoples, from the Upper Sea to the Lower Sea, were submitted to the Imperium of the Roman People.

Conquered Alpine peoples:

· TRUMPILINI
· CAMUNNI
· VENOSTES
· VENNONETES
· ISARCI
· BREUNI
· GENAUNES
· FOCUNATES
· VINDELICI
· COSUANETES
· RUCINATES
· LICATES
· CATENATES
· AMBISONTES
· RUGUSCI
· SUANETES
· CALUCONES
· BRIXENETES
· LEPONTII
· UBERI
· NANTUATES
· SEDUNI
· VERAGRI
· SALASSI
· ACITAUONES
· MEDULLI
· UCENNI
· CATURIGES
· BRIGIANI
· SOGIONTI
· BRODIONTI
· NEMALONI
· EDENATES
· VESUBIANI
· VEAMINI
· GALLITAE
· TRIULLATI
· ECDINI
· VERGUNNI
· EGUITURI
· NEMATURI
· ORATELLI
· NERUSI
· VELAUNI
· SUETRI

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropaeum_Alpium
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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2021, 09:58:38 AM »

Liguria takes its name from its ancient pre-Roman inhabitants, the Ligurians (a Celtic population), and has had its name for thousands of years, so this is quite easy.
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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2021, 10:10:19 AM »

Pretty cool maps of all the Celtic Tribes at the time (right-click for high resolutions):



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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2021, 10:19:10 AM »

The Trumpilini tribe was living in a valley near Brescia, btw.
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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2021, 10:41:44 AM »

The Lenape people inhabited the western part of Long Island.
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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2021, 11:06:26 AM »

Loudoun County was...

in the Commonwealth of Virginia: October 8, 1869 - Present
Under Union Martial Law Control: July 18, 1864 - October 8, 1869
in an Active Warzone/under Confederate Control: April 17, 1861 - July 18, 1864
in the Commonwealth of Virginia: June 25, 1788 - April 17, 1861
part of the USA (unincorporated): September 3, 1783 - June 25, 1788
in an Active Warzone/officially under English Control, actually under Colonist control: April 19, 1775 - September 3, 1783
Part of the Royal Colony of Virginia: 1757 - April 19, 1775

Before 1757, Loudoun was part of Fairfax County.

Settled by English colonists from 1720-1730 - 1757 before incorporation.

Before that, the area was controlled by the Manahoac/Mahock tribe, a group of about 1000 that disappeared after 1728. They were in the area since at least 1608, as John Smith encountered their settlement when he visited Northern Virginia at the time. The language they spoke was called "Tutelo", which unfortunately went extinct in 1982 when the last known speakers died in a house fire.

Overall this was very interesting! I didn't realize how many Civil War battles took place literally minutes from where I live! Also some buildings that I recognize from my daily experiences, such as the Rokeby House in Leesburg which I thought was just a beautiful house, was actually supposedly where the Constitution and Declaration of Independence were stored during the War of 1812!
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« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2021, 11:15:00 AM »

Things change as time moves on. Mohican, Muheconneok, New Amsterdam, divided between the Livingston and Rensselaer Manors/Patents, Upper Hudson Valley, Torieville Capital region.
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« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2021, 11:24:56 AM »

Fife, or the Kingdom of Fife, or Fifeshire, or Fìobha, depending who and when you ask.

Originally the Pictish Kingdom of Fife, the region became of increasing importance in the middle ages, from the reign of King Malcolm III, who would be buried in Fife's Dunfermline Abbey.

No-one is quite sure where the name arises from, but the most reasonable theory suggests it's a corruption of Fib, a legendary Pictish figure.

It briefly held Scotland's capital, when St Andrews hosted the Scottish Parliament, during a time of plague, that decimated Edinburgh and Stirling, the traditional centres of power in Scotland.

Fife has a dual reputation these days.

On one hand prestigious, for both hosting St Andrews University, one of the UK's oldest and most renowned institutions, after Oxford and Cambridge, as well as being the ancestral home of golf, again in St Andrews.

On the other hand, the western edge of Fife was famous for its heavy industry, with its coal mines and shipyards. These have degraded in the last 40-50 years, and have left the western part of the county struggling with poverty and substance abuse. In short, similar problems that US regions like West Virginia face.

 
 
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« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2021, 11:57:04 AM »

The Los Angeles Basin (be sure to separate this from Los Angeles County, because it excludes the desert and includes modern-day Orange County) was long inhabited by the Tongva people, a Uto-Aztecan people that originated in Nevada and moved into Southern California around 1500 BC. Along with the Chumash people in Ventura and Santa Barbara, they were the dominant group in the region and developed a intricate trade network. Owing to the LA Basin's status as a temperate and fertile area, it was one of the most densely populated areas in Southern California and was divided into ~100 villages which operated essentially as independent townships. My particular neighborhood is built over what used to be the Yaanga village--the biggest in the region because of its adjacency to the Los Angeles River until the Los Angeles City Council razed it in 1847.
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« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2021, 12:03:49 PM »

Farily interesting to note that much of Europe and North America between 150.000 to 11.000 BC had a huge ice cap on it.



The UK was connected with Europe.

Everything that is now Scandinavia, the UK, Ireland, parts of France, Germany, Poland, the Baltics, Russia and the Alps looked like modern-day Greenland or Antarctica.

The same in the US, down to Northern CA, the Plains, the Great Lakes region and the NE.

About 10.000 BC, people started to settle there when the glaciers retreated.

Also interesting to note that the Sahara desert and today's deserts in the US were a lot more green and fertile at the time, with huge rivers and a massive amount of wildlife.

In the Sahara, the Lake Chad (today only with a size of 1.800km²) had the size of 1 million km², or ca. 1.5x the size of TX.
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« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2021, 12:19:59 PM »

The Los Angeles Basin (be sure to separate this from Los Angeles County, because it excludes the desert and includes modern-day Orange County) was long inhabited by the Tongva people, a Uto-Aztecan people that originated in Nevada and moved into Southern California around 1500 BC. Along with the Chumash people in Ventura and Santa Barbara, they were the dominant group in the region and developed a intricate trade network. Owing to the LA Basin's status as a temperate and fertile area, it was one of the most densely populated areas in Southern California and was divided into ~100 villages which operated essentially as independent townships. My particular neighborhood is built over what used to be the Yaanga village--the biggest in the region because of its adjacency to the Los Angeles River until the Los Angeles City Council razed it in 1847.


Only after I had read your post out loud to my partner, who is most interested in the history of native peoples, did I fully appreciate just how superbly written it was - with elegant parsimony - each word load bearing, carrying its weight,  clear and precise, crafted by one with a perfect pitch ear for the cadence of the language. Thank you.
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« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2021, 12:59:01 PM »
« Edited: January 30, 2021, 04:09:11 PM by Crumpets »

The Pacific Northwest is one of the last areas in the Western world to really get a substantial written history started, so "pre-history" continues until relatively recently and we don't have a great record of all of the groups to control the area going back centuries.

Going back from now, we have:
1889-present: Washington State (United States)
1853-1889: Washington Territory (United States)
1848-1853: Oregon Territory (United States, Seattle specifically was under Duwamish control until 1851, and disputed between the Duwamish and European settlers until about 1856)
1818-1848: Oregon Country (United States controlled part; claimed at various points and various boundaries by Britain, Russia, and Spain; much local authority at the time was still with local Native and First Nations tribes)
1810-1818: Columbia District (Under British claim, little de facto control)
1774-1819: New Spain (Under Treaty of Tordesillas, little de facto control, Spain has effective monopoly on European access to Northwest coastal waters until Nootka Conventions of 1790-1794)
1494-1774: De jure New Spain under Treaty of Tordesillas, no Spanish presence
c. 8000 BC-1850s AD: Modern-day Washington State is controlled by many different Native groups, predominantly Coast Salish peoples. The Dxʷdəwʔabš (Duwamish) people controlled the area where I now live until about 1855 with the Puget Sound War and the Treaty of Point Elliot, which solidified white American control over the area. The largest pre-European settlement in my area was called sdZéédZul7aleecH (pronounced dzee-dzee-LAH-letch), although the smaller village of Shilshole is nearer by (and is still the name of the marina in that area to this day).
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« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2021, 01:19:31 PM »
« Edited: January 30, 2021, 01:22:59 PM by Mike88 »

I live in the most northest part of Porto district, so it seems Tarraconensis. The current North region of Portugal seems all to have been part of Tarraconensis. The border between Tarraconensis and Lusitania was the Douro river, it seems.
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« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2021, 02:04:42 PM »

Massachusetts is named after the Massachusett people, but the part of the state that I live in was Pocomtuc land, with strong trade connections with the Mohawk further west.
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« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2021, 02:14:04 PM »

Scotland from the Latin 'Scotii'. Gaelic name Alba (ah-lu-pah)
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« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2021, 02:36:24 PM »

1798 - 1815: Département de la Sarre
1815 - 1919: Kingdom of Prussia
1919 - 1935: Territory of the Saar Basin
1935 - 1945: (Gau Saarpfalz/Gau Westmark)
1947 - 1957: Saar Territory
1957 - today: Saarland
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« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2021, 05:58:44 PM »
« Edited: January 30, 2021, 06:07:59 PM by Alex »

No one knows how the region where Buenos Airesos located was called before the Spanish conquest, and its name has stayed relatively constant since then. The region was populated by the Querandíes before the conquest, but we don't know much about them

Buenos Aires is named after Our Lady of Bonaria, one of the many title's of Mary, mother of Jesus, and after a shrine in Cagliari, Italy. Our Lady of Bonaria had become popular among sailors from Spain because Buenos Aires means Fair Winds

1536-1541: Real de Nuestra Señora Santa María del Buen Ayre
1580-?[arguably 1996]: Ciudad de la (Santísima) Trinidad (y Puerto de Santa María de los Buenos Ayres)
?-1880: Ciudad de Buenos Aires (as part of the Gobernación del Río de la Plata and later the Intendencia/Estado/Provincia de Buenos Aires)
1880-1994/6: Municipalidad de la Ciudad de Buenos Aires / Capital Federal
1994/6~: Ciudad Autónoma de Buenos Aires
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« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2021, 09:47:28 PM »
« Edited: January 31, 2021, 10:00:56 PM by Good Riddance 2020 »

c. 8000s B.C.E. - 1682: Inhabited by various Native American tribes
1682 - 1763: Part of French Louisiana
1763 - 1784: Ceded to Great Britain in the Treaty of Paris (1763); Part of British North America
1784 - 1787: Ceded to the United States in the Treaty of Paris (1783); Part of the United States
1787 - 1800: Part of Northwest Territory
1800 - 1816: Part of Indiana Territory
1816 - 1830: Part of the State of Indiana
1830 - Present: Elkhart County, Indiana
 
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« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2021, 10:20:35 PM »

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« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2021, 02:46:36 AM »

Okinawa. Ryukyuan people.
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« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2021, 02:32:19 PM »

the natives didn't write a lot down and were mostly nomadic, many different tribes migrated through the area.  There really isn't a lot known to tell.  Different tribes had different names for things, many of which whitey kept.  It's crazy how many things have "native" names in the US if you think about it.  I live in Omaha (a tribe of Native Americans who never fought against the white man) which is on the Missouri River (named after another NA tribe) in the state of Nebraska (which means "flat river" (after the Platte) in the language the Omaha spoke).
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« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2021, 02:37:09 PM »

I live in the south of Shropshire, which is an old enough name to count as an historical one. The county is named (as is usually the case) for its county town, in this case Shrewsbury. Shrewsbury is the successor settlement to the Roman city of Viroconium Cornoviorum (today the village of Wroxeter), whose inhabitants eventually abandoned it for a more defensible site (i.e. Shrewsbury). The exact etymology of 'Shrewsbury' is disputed: 'bury' means fortified place,* but 'Shrews' was originally 'Scrobbes' and it is not clear if this denotes a geographical feature (i.e. scrubland, bushes, etc; given that the old town is in the loop of a large river this could refer to an Alder carr) or a personal name. If there was a warlord called (or misremembered later as) Scrobb, we know nothing about him.

But there are other historical names: the south of Shropshire was part of the Mercian sub-kingdom of Magonsæte from the seventh century, and was previously part of the eastern Welsh kingdom of Pengwern, which, in turn, is generally thought to have been a state founded by the Cornovii people following the collapse of Roman rule in Britain. The Cornovii lived in the region before the Romans came and are historically notable for rallying to the cause of Caratacus, along with the Ordovices and the Silures (so, you know, the peoples who would later become known as the Welsh).

And, of course, all of Shropshire is part of a wider historical region of ambiguous boundaries known variously as the Marches or the Welsh Marches. The old English word 'March' means exactly the same as the old German word 'Mark': a highly militarised borderland, outside the direct control of the central polity in question but theoretically subordinate to it. The Welsh Marches came into being as a result of the Norman conquest of much of Wales and the subsequent establishment of a buffer zone of petty states and brigand lordships between England proper and the surviving Welsh kingdoms in the north and west of the country. The region was a land apart throughout the later Middle Ages, notorious as a violent and unstable place characterised by the excesses of Baronial rule. Tellingly, it was the last part of England outside the wilds of northern Yorkshire to be home to wolves. The Tudors - a dynasty of Welsh origin it must be noted - first broke the power of the Marcher Lords and then a few decades later abolished the Marcher Lordships entirely, incorporating the whole of the region (along with all of Wales) into their reformed Kingdom, but the name has lived on.

*Not necessarily a fortress!
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« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2021, 04:05:26 PM »

Until approximately 2000 BC, New Orleans was in fact part of the Gulf of Mexico.  As the Mississippi River continually changed it's path to the Gulf, it built a large delta region that was inhabited at least seasonally by the Chitimacha Indians with one latter settlement called Chapitoulas (I drive to work on Tchoupitoulas St).  However, given the natural hazards of the area, settlements moved regularly. 

Bienville showed up and picked the best of all the bad choices to put a French settlement and claim Louisiana for the French crown, etc....

A wiki look at the development of the Missippi River delta from4500BC on

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_River_Delta
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« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2021, 05:29:24 PM »

c. 200s BC-1513: Inhabited by the Tequesta tribe
1513-1763: Inhabited by the Tequesta tribe while claimed as part of Spanish Florida
1763-1783: Ceded to Great Britain in the Treaty of Paris (1763); remaining Tequesta evacuated; part of British East Florida
1783-1821: Ceded back to Spain in the Treaty of Versailles (1783); part of Spanish East Florida
1821-1822: Ceded to the United States in the Adams-Onís Treaty (1819); part of the unorganized Florida Territory
1822-1836: Part of the Florida Territory
1836-1845: Part of Dade County in the Florida Territory
1845-1915: Part of Dade County in the State of Florida
1915-present: Part of Broward County, Florida
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« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2021, 05:32:54 PM »

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