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Mr. James Edward Hall (Social Democratic, New York) / Mr. Albert Richard Parsons (Social Democratic, Illinois)
 
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Secretary of State John Alexander Logan (Liberal National, Illinois) / former Governor James Lusk Alcorn (Liberal National, Mississippi)
 
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« on: January 25, 2021, 04:19:49 PM »

No candidate received a majority of popular votes on the first round, necessitating a runoff between Social Democrat J. Edward Hall and Liberal National John A. Logan.

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« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2021, 05:05:52 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2021, 10:01:16 PM »

Unless there’s a civil war if the social democrats win, this simulation game won’t be accurate
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« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2021, 02:06:57 PM »

I'd just point out that making a less aggressively anti-socialist US would throw world politics off otl rails in all kinds of ways. For one thing, any potential FDR analogues would never have the chance to be the great realigning president he was, and social liberalism in general would be much weaker in the United States. Without that, I strongly doubt that liberalism in general would maintain its hegemonic dominance over American politics going into the mid-1900s. Fascism, or at least an authoritarian substitute, would likely gain traction as fears of socialism would be much more immediate to the American right-wing.

Internationally, it would mean that the US socialist movement would possibly end up exporting and exchanging ideas with socialists abroad. I don't think that it would affect the 1910s revolutions' course that much, although I suppose you could see interesting interactions like the Irish soviets being stronger from Irish-American aid or something. Later difficulties would arise with the probably still successful Bolshevik revolution, and would probably result in intense infighting. In addition, the formation of global systems like Bretton Woods would never happen or be seriously altered, which would fundamentally change how states interact with each other going into the 2nd half of the 1900s. Colonial and neocolonial spheres of influence may paradoxically be larger going into the modern day, without the end of the colony-metropole trade system forced by FDR and co.

Overall, I'd say that the net result is that while socialism is more popular internationally, imperialism and economic nationalism never quite gets discredited and the socialist movement has even more infighting with American schools of thought thrown into the mix. Also, American fascism being a proper mass movement is...not good, I could see that causing problems very fast in the south. It is very likely that some social issues are never on the table for discussion due to all of these factors.

Unless there’s a civil war if the social democrats win, this simulation game won’t be accurate

Ehh, I actually think a sd victory is plausible. iirc socialism didn't really become a salient issue for Americans iotl until the mid 1870s, as it took time for the Republican party to pivot away from reconstruction in favor of union busting and similar activities, plus the southern democrats were out of commission for a bit and couldn't really do their thing either. Before then, America was fairly ambivalent to marx.
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« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2021, 02:13:33 PM »

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« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2021, 02:32:29 PM »

For the record, I have been going off the assumption based on an earlier-than-OTL Civil War and particularly the 1872 result that global events have progressed much more rapidly than IOTL, and the socialist left is much stronger than at this point historically. At some point I may set down a more detailed exploration of the global situation, but in broad terms we're probably looking at an earlier Great War, and possibly with a different genesis.
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« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2021, 02:44:29 PM »

Keep America (somewhat) sane with Logan.
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« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2021, 08:24:30 PM »

The people demand to see what happens next!
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