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« on: January 24, 2021, 06:48:21 PM »

Has that ever happened before?
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« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2021, 06:55:35 PM »

Time to start plans for the North American Union: Canada, US, Mexico, Costa Rica, various Carib territories.
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« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2021, 06:55:41 PM »

Far from the first time a Liberal Prime Minister of Canada and a Democratic President of the United States serve together... as for Mexico, it pretty much depends whether you want to consider all those PRI Presidents elected by ridiculous margins "left-wing" or not.
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« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2021, 07:44:57 PM »
« Edited: January 24, 2021, 07:55:19 PM by Estrella »

Justin Biebertrudeau is a liberal centrist who occasionally throws some scraps to leftists, balanced out by throwing some other scraps to rightists. There's a reason Liberals have a decently-sized and not particularly radical opposition party to their left. Canada isn't some amazing progressive paradise; the reason Grits are the natural governing party is that they're good at bland centrist managerialism with the occasional bright idea on the left (WLMK's welfare programs) or right (Chrétien's austerity). By the way, neither legalization of weed nor dishonest pro-Indigenous posturing are inherently left-wing.

Joe Biden is more complicated. Strangely enough, for the first time ever, America's leader might be more progressive than both of her neighbors, but that's not exactly a high bar. In any case, it's difficult to call a septuagenarian career politician who rarely went beyond standard Democratic talking points a "left-winger".

AMLO is an antediluvian priista, one who comes from before EPN's pseudo-reformist days. He is a conservative in the most literal sense of the word: a small-town, small-minded, austerity-inclined man. I suppose that could count as left-wing if one sees the Mexico crafted by ye olde PRI as left-wing, but I doubt it. Yes, there are genuine progressive leftists in Morena, but he isn't one.

tl;dr: no.
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« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2021, 08:05:30 PM »
« Edited: January 24, 2021, 08:10:09 PM by Senator tack50 (Lab-Lincoln) »

Yes, it has happened before. Even if we go by the more strict definition of "a Democratic trifecta" for the US (as opposed to simply a Dem president), the last time it happened was for roughly 1 year between late 1993 and late 1994, with the following people in charge:

Canada: Jean Chretien, with a Liberal majority government
US: Bill Clinton, both houses of Congress under Democratic control
Mexico: Carlos Salinas de Gortari, both houses of Congress under PRI control

Other quick examples that come to mind would be Carter/Trudeau Sr./José López Portillo (1976-1979) or LBJ/Lester Pearson/PRI (1963-1968)

This of course assumes that we take all 3 of the Canadian Liberals, the US Democratic Party and the Mexican Instituional Revolutionary Party all as "left wing", which may be a stretch

For a comparison, the last time there was a right wing trifecta was for a period of less than a year in 2006, with George W. Bush and both houses of Congress under Republican control, Stephen Harper winning a minority government in Canada and Vicente Fox and Felipe Calderón with PAN pluralities in the Mexican Congress.

If you con't count that because Harper's government was a minority government; then there is no prior example thanks to PRI ruling Mexico with an iron fist for like 80 years.
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« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2021, 08:07:02 PM »

In the late 2000s, when all South American countries, except Colombia, had left-wing leaders, they created the Unasul.
Now, Trudeau, Biden and Obrador can create the Unanorte. Oh, this union already exists: Nafta
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« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2021, 08:10:18 PM »

PRI is right-wing since Miguel de da Madri in the 1980s. Salinas was very neoliberal.
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« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2021, 08:12:56 PM »

Last time there was a progressive trio in North America before Trudeau/Biden/Obrador took place in the second half of the 1930s: Mackenzie King/FDR/Cárdenas
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« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2021, 08:33:48 PM »

*Catholic liberal trifecta
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« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2021, 08:48:18 PM »


Good point. While NA has had left-wing trifectas before this is the first time it has had a Catholic trifecta.
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« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2021, 11:41:11 PM »

Only AMLO is left-wing and even then, he’s kinda conservative on some social issues.

Trudeau and Biden are centrists at best.
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« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2021, 06:40:38 AM »
« Edited: January 25, 2021, 06:52:08 AM by CumbrianLeftie »

Only AMLO is left-wing and even then, he’s kinda conservative on some social issues.

Trudeau and Biden are centrists at best.

Biden is a centrist, but a frequently left influenced one - this distinguishes him from the Clintons and more arguably the POTUS he served for eight years.

A pure centrist would never have plagiarised a 1980s British Labour speech, but of course Joe did.

Trudeau is of course almost 100% distilled essence of woke centrism Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2021, 08:43:35 AM »

Shades of 2017 when posters on here were seriously arguing that Macron was a left winger...
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« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2021, 09:52:43 AM »

*Catholic liberal trifecta me of them can be socially conservative, or whate

No way AMLO can be regarded a "liberal" in any sense of the word. Like Estrella said,  he is more akin an old-school PRIista and maybe one of that kind of Latin American "left-wing populists" (they can be socially conservative and rather "illiberal"). Justin Trudeau and Joe Biden are liberal centrists, not radical left-wingers. They can either implement some progressive policies or look rightwards. Biden in particular can be somewhat boring and uninspiring, but he represents a sort of telief after the horrible Trump nightmare. I only hope that he can implement some progressive policies in areas where they are urgent and neccessary, particularly in everything related to the climate emergency.

Neither "liberal" nor "left-wing", just "Catholic trifecta". I think this conjunction is only noticeable if you are a WASP, particularly in the States

Shades of 2017 when posters on here were seriously arguing that Macron was a left winger...

Wait, are you saying that FBM is not left-wing?
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« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2021, 11:40:51 AM »

*Catholic liberal trifecta me of them can be socially conservative, or whate

No way AMLO can be regarded a "liberal" in any sense of the word. Like Estrella said,  he is more akin an old-school PRIista and maybe one of that kind of Latin American "left-wing populists" (they can be socially conservative and rather "illiberal"). Justin Trudeau and Joe Biden are liberal centrists, not radical left-wingers. They can either implement some progressive policies or look rightwards. Biden in particular can be somewhat boring and uninspiring, but he represents a sort of telief after the horrible Trump nightmare. I only hope that he can implement some progressive policies in areas where they are urgent and neccessary, particularly in everything related to the climate emergency.

Neither "liberal" nor "left-wing", just "Catholic trifecta". I think this conjunction is only noticeable if you are a WASP, particularly in the States

"Catholic trifecta that is pointedly not Catholic Right" would be accurate, but it's a bit circumlocutory.
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« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2021, 12:47:55 PM »

lol

none of them are left wing.
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« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2021, 09:23:49 PM »

Far from the first time a Liberal Prime Minister of Canada and a Democratic President of the United States serve together... as for Mexico, it pretty much depends whether you want to consider all those PRI Presidents elected by ridiculous margins "left-wing" or not.

The Liberal Democratic bromance is back.
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« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2021, 09:28:24 PM »

 Enrique Peña Nieto, Justin Trudeau, and Barack Obama were literally all leaders a half-decade ago.
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« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2021, 05:07:31 AM »

Enrique Peña Nieto, Justin Trudeau, and Barack Obama were literally all leaders a half-decade ago.

Saying this with the implication that any of these people are remotely left-wing is peak Blairism - specifically, the weird post-2007 becoming-a-cranky-Tory-in-retirement Blairism. When Tony Blair was in power, he was significantly to the left of all three of these. That is something both he and his current supporters, all five of them, seem to have forgotten.
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« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2021, 09:31:19 AM »
« Edited: January 26, 2021, 09:45:43 AM by Blairite »

Enrique Peña Nieto, Justin Trudeau, and Barack Obama were literally all leaders a half-decade ago.

Saying this with the implication that any of these people are remotely left-wing is peak Blairism - specifically, the weird post-2007 becoming-a-cranky-Tory-in-retirement Blairism. When Tony Blair was in power, he was significantly to the left of all three of these. That is something both he and his current supporters, all five of them, seem to have forgotten.

They are all out of the respective political left wings of their own countries; ergo they are left wing. You can debate whether they're properly leftist or whatever but that would be pointless. Given a binary choice between these politicians being of the political left or the political right, they're all very obviously of the former.

Also, bringing up an irrelevant tongue-in-cheek username instead of actually responding directly to the substance of my claim is...lol.
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« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2021, 09:37:08 AM »

Enrique Peña Nieto, Justin Trudeau, and Barack Obama were literally all leaders a half-decade ago.

Saying this with the implication that any of these people are remotely left-wing is peak Blairism - specifically, the weird post-2007 becoming-a-cranky-Tory-in-retirement Blairism. When Tony Blair was in power, he was significantly to the left of all three of these. That is something both he and his current supporters, all five of them, seem to have forgotten.

Well he certainly was in his earlier years as PM, the post-Iraq years are maybe more debatable.
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« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2021, 09:41:02 AM »
« Edited: January 26, 2021, 09:48:50 AM by DC Al Fine »

Enrique Peña Nieto, Justin Trudeau, and Barack Obama were literally all leaders a half-decade ago.

Saying this with the implication that any of these people are remotely left-wing is peak Blairism - specifically, the weird post-2007 becoming-a-cranky-Tory-in-retirement Blairism. When Tony Blair was in power, he was significantly to the left of all three of these. That is something both he and his current supporters, all five of them, seem to have forgotten.

They are all out of the respective political left wings of their own countries; ergo they are left wing. You can debate whether they're properly leftist or whatever but that would be pointless. Given a binary choice between these politicians being of the political left or the political right, they're all very obviously of the former.

This. Everyone gets that Joe Biden and Justin Trudeau aren't going to nationalize major industries and put in 90% marginal tax rates on the rich or whatever, but calling them "not left" is reminiscent of those early 2010's boomercons who called everyone to the left of Louie Gohmert a "socialist".
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« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2021, 10:12:40 AM »

Enrique Peña Nieto, Justin Trudeau, and Barack Obama were literally all leaders a half-decade ago.

Saying this with the implication that any of these people are remotely left-wing is peak Blairism - specifically, the weird post-2007 becoming-a-cranky-Tory-in-retirement Blairism. When Tony Blair was in power, he was significantly to the left of all three of these. That is something both he and his current supporters, all five of them, seem to have forgotten.

They are all out of the respective political left wings of their own countries; ergo they are left wing.

Incorrect. Trudeau is the leader of Canada's centrist party. Almost a third of Canadians voted for a party to his left. Their policies may be vaguely centre-left (debatable), but they don't represent the left on Canada's political spectrum.

I don't know enough about Mexican politics, but I'm under the impression the same could be said about President Ken Doll.
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« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2021, 10:12:59 AM »

Enrique Peña Nieto, Justin Trudeau, and Barack Obama were literally all leaders a half-decade ago.

Saying this with the implication that any of these people are remotely left-wing is peak Blairism - specifically, the weird post-2007 becoming-a-cranky-Tory-in-retirement Blairism. When Tony Blair was in power, he was significantly to the left of all three of these. That is something both he and his current supporters, all five of them, seem to have forgotten.

They are all out of the respective political left wings of their own countries; ergo they are left wing. You can debate whether they're properly leftist or whatever but that would be pointless. Given a binary choice between these politicians being of the political left or the political right, they're all very obviously of the former.

Also, bringing up an irrelevant tongue-in-cheek username instead of actually responding directly to the substance of my claim is...lol.

If you want to be pedantic, in the 2012 Mexican election EPN was the centrist candidate, with AMLO (PRD) on the left and Vazquez Mota (PAN) on the right

Also, by 2015 Obama didn't have a trifecta anymore, so in my view he doesn't really count
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« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2021, 10:36:55 AM »

Enrique Peña Nieto, Justin Trudeau, and Barack Obama were literally all leaders a half-decade ago.

Saying this with the implication that any of these people are remotely left-wing is peak Blairism - specifically, the weird post-2007 becoming-a-cranky-Tory-in-retirement Blairism. When Tony Blair was in power, he was significantly to the left of all three of these. That is something both he and his current supporters, all five of them, seem to have forgotten.

They are all out of the respective political left wings of their own countries; ergo they are left wing.

Incorrect. Trudeau is the leader of Canada's centrist party. Almost a third of Canadians voted for a party to his left. Their policies may be vaguely centre-left (debatable), but they don't represent the left on Canada's political spectrum.

I don't know enough about Mexican politics, but I'm under the impression the same could be said about President Ken Doll.

Are you counting the current incarnation of the Bloc as part of that one third to the left of Trudeau's Liberals? That doesn't seem right.
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