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Meclazine for Israel
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« on: January 30, 2021, 07:46:20 AM »
« edited: January 30, 2021, 08:38:17 AM by Meclazine »

It looks like Apple and maybe Samsung have shut down the provision of information from their customers' mobile devices from my hometown for location of their phones to advertisers.

I can no longer see users from Perth in my Google location stats on my website. They are all coming through as Canberra or Melbourne.

What that means is people can no longer use Facebook ads to target you based on location.

I will monitor my Google stats for my website, but what this may achieve for iPhone users is when you visit Facebook and Google Ad environments, the ads won't target you based on your:

  • Location
  • Apple account information (M/F etc).

Google still shares certain aspects of your details based on your device info plus Google login such as:

  • Sex
  • Age Bracket
  • Device Brand and Model
  • Internet Provider
  • Country
  • City of Residence
  • Time spent on a website page
  • Purchasing behaviour
  • Returning visitor to a website
  • Bounce rate on a landing page
  • Etc etc etc.

The list is not small.

So the change concerns your exact location and phone use behaviour live and negates Facebook more than any other platform.

It's a good move.

To see if this is having any effect live on your phone or PC/MAC, try this. I have written a script in Google Tag Manager on this link on my home page:

https://vintageelectric.com.au/

In the first paragraph, it says:

"If you are looking to collect or invest in vintage guitars, we offer Australia’s finest collectible instruments. Our company ships vintage guitars, basses and amps to customers in <CITY>, <STATE> and globally."

The CITY and STATE tags are extracted from a reverse lookup of your IP Address before the HTML is rendered on the page.

Does the City and State in that last sentence match your real City and State?

Mine does not, and Google matches this exact error live in the backed Google Analytics.

So both my reverse lookup script and the Google Stats have been altered somewhere beforehand. That is, the mobile phone company or network provider.
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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2021, 09:03:33 AM »

it says Atlanta Georgia for me
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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2021, 09:05:32 AM »

I opened the link and it says Napoli, Campania whereas I am obviously in La Spezia (Liguria) now.

For the record my cell phone is not an iPhone but a Huawei.
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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2021, 12:13:48 PM »
« Edited: January 30, 2021, 12:18:39 PM by True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) »

Using an old Amazon Fire, it says Redmond, Washington for some odd reason. I'm used to being mistaken for being from some other spot in South Carolina, but not so badly as this. I'm not using anything remotely connected to Micro$oft, but apparently my ISP has that city as their POC location in their DNS record.
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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2021, 12:20:10 PM »

Boston, Massachusetts
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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2021, 12:24:36 PM »


As with mine (see above), I think it's reporting where your ISP has as its location in its DNS record.
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« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2021, 01:29:24 PM »


As with mine (see above), I think it's reporting where your ISP has as its location in its DNS record.

That sounds about right.

Based on this video, the location scrambling that has been occurring in 2021 above appears like a separate issue to Apple vs Facebook:

https://youtu.be/q_vb-BkzIfk
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« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2021, 02:58:12 PM »


As with mine (see above), I think it's reporting where your ISP has as its location in its DNS record.
I use Cox, so that makes sense.
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« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2021, 05:05:50 AM »

If Facebook are going to have un-geolocated users because of the new Apple privacy policies, then their advertisers will go elsewhere.

The solution.

Force Whatsapp users to give up the missing info to Facebook.

https://www.welivesecurity.com/2021/01/07/whatsapp-updates-privacy-policy-share-user-data-facebook/

Phone calls are great for geolocation of users.

You have until Feb 8 2021 to agree or Facebook will delete your Whatsapp account.

This allows them to sneak around the new Apple privacy rules.

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