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Question: Like downstate IL are trying, will GA GOP be able to separate from Atlanta?
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they won't try
 
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they will try, but fail
 
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they will try and succeed
 
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« on: April 01, 2021, 08:05:18 PM »

I did some research. Downstate Illinois are fed up with being overrepresented by Chicago, and want to separate and form a new state.

The problem for them is, they won't be able to win in IL legislature, which is dominated by Chicago/Dems.

Now I see GA following the same trend, and will inevitable be dominated by Dems in Atlanta. I am wondering if they can achieve this, when they still control the state. I know it's extremely hard, and needs to be approved by congress, but probably worth trying for them.

The difference between Maine rule GA as discussed here https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=437530.0
is that, while Maine rule benefits the party but not necessary those politicians, becoming a new state directly benefits them. Since they can become governors and senators, as compared to being marginalized by Dems in Atlanta, just like Rs in VA and CO.
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« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2021, 12:14:11 PM »

Highly unlikely.  The current congress would never approve it and the current state legislature is not ready to give up on winning statewide or concede EVs/Senate seats.  It would also require either admission of a new state (which national Republicans are mobilizing against right now) or a pretty complex deal with at least 2 of AL/TN/SC/FL considering how geographically vast the Republican parts of Georgia are.

The only plausible way would be in 2025-26 if Republicans control the federal government and still control the state legislature despite GA voting Dem for president again.  It seems pretty clear at this point that Democrats won't succeed in adding new states this term, but if they did, Republicans would look to retaliate by adding conservative states the next time they had the power to do it.  The possibility of joining another existing state, the AL/TN/SC legislatures would presumably welcome them and are guaranteed to be under Republican control (FL is iffier because rural southern Georgia would be an obvious financial drain on them and Dems could plausibly pick up the governorship or try to block it by initiative there).  Lets see if the western MN->SD proposal has legs.
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« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2021, 12:17:25 PM »

Probably not, unless Republicans have absolutely massive wave years in 2022 and 2024 that give them complete control of Georgia legistlature and the US Government.
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« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2021, 12:23:34 PM »

Atlanta will expand across all of Georgia.  It's like the blob.
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« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2021, 03:20:09 PM »

Highly unlikely.  The current congress would never approve it and the current state legislature is not ready to give up on winning statewide or concede EVs/Senate seats.  It would also require either admission of a new state (which national Republicans are mobilizing against right now) or a pretty complex deal with at least 2 of AL/TN/SC/FL considering how geographically vast the Republican parts of Georgia are.

The only plausible way would be in 2025-26 if Republicans control the federal government and still control the state legislature despite GA voting Dem for president again.  It seems pretty clear at this point that Democrats won't succeed in adding new states this term, but if they did, Republicans would look to retaliate by adding conservative states the next time they had the power to do it.  The possibility of joining another existing state, the AL/TN/SC legislatures would presumably welcome them and are guaranteed to be under Republican control (FL is iffier because rural southern Georgia would be an obvious financial drain on them and Dems could plausibly pick up the governorship or try to block it by initiative there).  Lets see if the western MN->SD proposal has legs.

I don't think western MN->SD is a good idea, as the trend is on their side. But if downstate IL can join states like IN, this will be huge.
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« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2021, 10:55:28 PM »

If they do try, it will never work. Just like the Greater Idaho movement and other state splitting movements that could cause political gain, it will never succeed. They will probably try, though, as people always have throughout history.
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