2024 Third Party and Independent Candidate General discussion

[Canis]

PSOL Stateboiller and Altwonder are some of my favorite posters on the site because of how well they keep us updated on third-party politics I really enjoy reading your posts keep it up!

[Canis]

The thing is that the Libertarian or Green party would collapse if that was the case due to the many diverse interests in the parties.

Jill Steiners, ex-Panthers, and #BernieOrBusters ultimately are not the same people and have disparate interests on account of their material realities. Jill Steiners don’t like the social conservatives holding the Democratic Party hostage, but socialism is scary to these middle-income dimwits. Meanwhile, the lack of enthusiasm for Black liberation and building black wealth among the Garveyist path differs from soft-left technocrats who just want free healthcare and education.

Meanwhile the white collar professionals, small gay bookclub owners, and potheads. Ultimately, due to homophobia in society and the traumas of being in the closet and having to deal with theft, the middle grouping is very revolutionary and willing to do it all to stop the poor horde of brown people and the tax agents from discovering the ecstasy under the floorboards. The white collar professional isn’t revolutionary and wants lower taxes and the pothead has a good relationship with modern America’s eccentric cast of under-caste drug dealers they play PS4 every so often.

It’s difficult to find unity then if your party is a United band of different collectives and movements only there for convenience, who live different lifestyles and don’t enter out into others’ own worlds. Even the PSL, whose ideology is vaguely left-opportunism, has power struggles that they mend by ensuring that each leader has their own fiefdom and a chance to leave “cleanly”.

Purging is one way, but go too far and you are in for a bad time if you are small and under lots of pressure, as the SPA and Communist party can profess. Ultimately, diversity is a virtue that one can’t shed unless they are in a very high position of power and do a purging slow enough to still have the momentum (or guiding push of inertia). Look also at how the Transhumanist party got even more irrelevant with their main dude being pushed out, and how the Constitution Party’s purity and dictatorial egos broke the party.

Ultimately that’s why I think that unless the Catholic ASP broadens their horizons other than attuned uni students and strict Catholics, they will never hit it big even with them knowing how to run campaigns and have flashy PR, or how I see the Alliance as possibly growing even bigger given the balancing act they have mastered.
So apparently according to Canis a few DSA and lefty groups endorsed the SEP. Well that’s how the dedicated writing team at WSWS does it.

In other news the main Green Party candidate is at striking distance of passing the lowest voting Dem by 3k votes at this moment and the ASP is set to triple their vote share in this election. The Green liberal is set to surpass the CNP memester too.


Preliminary results brought to you by Can(nab)is shows an interesting map. Green Party strength is primarily in the North and Coast while Southern Interior California is barely Libertarian and Central Valley is competitive. The SEP candidate won oddly in geographically dispersed areas while the rest are by independents.

While this all may change, I have my ideas on why the Green Party did not sweep the vote compared to 2001’s recall. The answer primarily lies in the P&F party, whose strength lies with now elderly Latino agricultural workers and ex-students of Berkeley gentrified into Sacremento. They and the PSL among others endorsed and voted for Newsom. Outside of this, more radical Socialists see the Green Party as Bobos and prefer the SEP and their first party, the queen splitting SWP, as an alternative.

I’ll give a brief closing statement once the votes are counted.
The nonbinary candidate the PSL ran got >40% of the vote for city councilor, which is good all things considered given how cash strapped and alienating the PSL is to older voters even in a college town.

Anyway, outside of their usual Stop the Rent campaign, the PSL have been helping Hurricane Ida victims with food and supplies and helping LGBTQ groups in Utah organize against Queerphobia in Brightam Young University. Lotta activity coming from the party.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Trevorlunsford2/status/1434926047930236936

Take out Florida and New York, and these are the last full state parties left. Of course in some rural areas in the middle regions east of the Mississippi there’s a few Reform officeholders going off nostalgia.
So IPR and BAN’s comment section has gotten real nasty lately. You know you are in some deep s••• for brains when someone is railing against “big noses” in the AIP leadership and hearing “Oakies” outside of a Glenn Steinbeck novel. The real question is, what made these places the cesspits of reaction for third party enthusiasts? Were they all Ron Paulites who just never logged off. Do young people not care for discussions like this here?

Lol thank you for the nickname and sharing of the map!

[Canis]

Had West run for the Dems I probably would give him my vote. Right now the only reason I’m considering Williamson is more in spite of rather than because of her. I just want a more progressive delegation to the DNC.

edit, maybe not with all the pro-russia BS now. Why the hell are so many leftists garbage on foreign policy

Because their understanding of foreign policy begins and ends with "America Bad".

But in all seriousness, this is a BIG problem I have with DoreKnobs, Marinanne-stans, Krystal Ball fans, and now seemingly Cornell West: if your flagship policies are abandoning Ukraine, opposing vaccine mandates, and holding hands and singing Kumbaya with January 6 Insurrectionists, then I honestly don't care how good you are on other issues. These three are a complete deal-breaker.

Mariannes stance is continued support to Ukraine, West supports ending all foreign aid and closing all military bases
If you watch his democracy now interview he paints the picture that america pushed Russia into this situation by expanding nato which ignores the fact all those eastern European countries asked to join NATO out of fear of Russian aggression. I have great respect for Cornell west and agree with him on 90% of the issues but he's dead wrong about Ukraine.
 

[Canis]

Do we have any speculation at all on who RFK would pick as VP?

I only ask because a lot of states, RFK can't collect ballots until he has a running mate. Also, his website is extremely good on the ballot access section.

https://www.kennedy24.com/ballot-access

Probably Tulsi Gabbard, or Jesse Ventura, maybe someone like Dave Smith if he decides to go the libertarian route.

[Canis]

Do we have any speculation at all on who RFK would pick as VP?

I only ask because a lot of states, RFK can't collect ballots until he has a running mate. Also, his website is extremely good on the ballot access section.

https://www.kennedy24.com/ballot-access

Probably Tulsi Gabbard, or Jesse Ventura, maybe someone like Dave Smith if he decides to go the libertarian route.

Jesse Ventura is very pro COVID vaccine, he was featured in PSA's here in MN urging people to get the jab, I highly doubt he runs with Jr.

He introduced Kennedy at a rally today and endorsed him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVKpfz9594U

[Canis]

Andrew Yang says that the RFK Jr. campaign reached out to him as a possible running mate; though it was implied that Yang was non-committal but leaning against it.
https://politicalwire.com/2024/02/07/rfk-jr-asked-andrew-yang-about-being-his-running-mate/

Yang's all in on Dean Philips hes been campaigning for him across the country and his former CM is Philips CM. If you watch any interviews with him he says his top priority is beating Trump and thats why the forward party isn't running any candidate or attempting to seek ballot access. After Philips drops out hell almost certainly endorse Biden