2024 Third Party and Independent Candidate General discussion

[Anzeigenhauptmeister]

Did I unterstand that correctly, or is my English simply too bad?
According to CNN, 26% of registered voters in Arizona would vote for Kennedy? WTF?
Is that some kind of Sinema effect?

[Anti-Trump Truth Socialite JD Vance Enjoying Juror]

I expect the Kennedy campaign to fizzle out to low single digits like every other third party campaign this side of 1996, but I have no trouble imagining him on 51/51 ballots. Johnson managed it in 2016 and he had less money than RFK does now.

[Mike88]

Did I unterstand that correctly, or is my English simply too bad?
According to CNN, 26% of registered voters in Arizona would vote for Kennedy? WTF?
Is that some kind of Sinema effect?

The last available poll gives him just 8%...

[Anzeigenhauptmeister]

Did I unterstand that correctly, or is my English simply too bad?
According to CNN, 26% of registered voters in Arizona would vote for Kennedy? WTF?
Is that some kind of Sinema effect?

The last available poll gives him just 8%...

Then I must have understood something wrong. Too bad I didn't manage to make a screenshot in time.

[Open Source Intelligence]

Cornel West receives the United Citizens Party of South Carolina nomination.

[MichaelM24]

Joseph Kishore is the nominee of the Socialist Equality Party (SEP).

https://twitter.com/jkishore/status/1762604781737037957

He was also their nominee in 2020 - as far as I can tell, he had ballot access in Colorado, and got a couple hundred write-in votes in California. Hopefully his ballot access will be marginally better this time around.

[Anzeigenhauptmeister]

Did I unterstand that correctly, or is my English simply too bad?
According to CNN, 26% of registered voters in Arizona would vote for Kennedy? WTF?
Is that some kind of Sinema effect?

The last available poll gives him just 8%...

A New York Times/Siena College poll from October of registered voters in Arizona found Kennedy earning 26% support, with Biden and Trump earning 33% each. A similar poll of registered voters in Georgia showed Kennedy with 24%, trailing Trump at 36% with Biden at 29%.

[AltWorlder]

F&E's presidential debate is a low-rent snore fest this cycle

https://youtu.be/RfnPgbC0CYQ?t=14600

[Redban]

RFK Jr's PAC has almost 83k signatures in AZ. The requirement is 42,303. Unless more than half of the signatures get disqualified for some reason during the validation process, he should be there in AZ

[Open Source Intelligence]

Talked to Chase Oliver, Lars Mapstead, and Mike ter Maat Friday night. Chase and Lars were very good hearing them speak to a crowd and talking to them 1-on-1. Mike is a nice person but as far as presidential candidate caliber is not there.

Libertarian Party of Indiana State Convention Presidential Straw Poll Results (has no bearing on who becomes nominee other than Indiana has 38 delegates to the Libertarian National Convention almost entirely pulled from the electorate that voted):

Chase Oliver 63
Lars Mapstead 14
Mike ter Maat 7
Michael Rectenwald 6
Joshua Smith 4
Jacob Hornberger 4

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

I'm surprised that Rectenwald isn't gaining traction. I thought he was the Misses Caucus's lead candidate?

[MichaelM24]

I'm far from a Libertarian, but I'll say this - I thought that Chase Oliver acquitted himself quite well in the Free and Equal debate some days ago. I was impressed.

[Redban]

RFK Jr’s PAC has obtained the signatures for South Carolina.

They are just 2,500 signatures away from meeting the 30k signature requirement for Michigan. It could happen by next week

https://twitter.com/Holden_Culotta/status/1764769655598563422

[🇺🇦 Purple 🦄 Unicorn 🇮🇱]

I think Idaho is coming up with the next deadline on March 15.

Only 1.000 signatures are required for Kennedy to be placed on the ballot there.

Kinda surprised that he didn't announce enough signatures there yet...

[Octowakandi]

I think Idaho is coming up with the next deadline on March 15.

Only 1.000 signatures are required for Kennedy to be placed on the ballot there.

Kinda surprised that he didn't announce enough signatures there yet...

It's because they require him to announce a VP. So he hasn't even been able to start gathering signatures there. So Idaho isn't happening. See his website for deadlines and requirements.

https://www.kennedy24.com/ballot-access

[Redban]

He filed a lawsuit against Idaho for its early March 15th deadline about a month ago

https://ballot-access.org/2024/02/26/robert-f-kennedy-jr-files-brief-in-idaho-ballot-access-case/

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.idd.53977/gov.uscourts.idd.53977.1.0.pdf

[Open Source Intelligence]

I'm surprised that Rectenwald isn't gaining traction. I thought he was the Misses Caucus's lead candidate?

1. Indiana Libertarians are a very well-organized mostly Pragmatist caucus.
2. Rectenwald did not show up nor sponsor the Indiana Convention unlike Oliver, Mapstead, and ter Maat (Hornberger sponsored but did not attend. There were other State Conventions over the weekend I think.)
3. From listening to a few Mises-affiliated folks over the weekend, it seems some of them are not appreciative at this point of the Mises Caucus leadership. Mises Caucus were told for a long time they were getting Dave Smith, Smith declined to run in the end, and Michael Rectenwald is not Dave Smith.

[🇺🇦 Purple 🦄 Unicorn 🇮🇱]

I think Idaho is coming up with the next deadline on March 15.

Only 1.000 signatures are required for Kennedy to be placed on the ballot there.

Kinda surprised that he didn't announce enough signatures there yet...

It's because they require him to announce a VP. So he hasn't even been able to start gathering signatures there. So Idaho isn't happening. See his website for deadlines and requirements.

https://www.kennedy24.com/ballot-access

Really?

How is Trump allowed onto the ID ballot without a Vice President?

[Octowakandi]

I think Idaho is coming up with the next deadline on March 15.

Only 1.000 signatures are required for Kennedy to be placed on the ballot there.

Kinda surprised that he didn't announce enough signatures there yet...

It's because they require him to announce a VP. So he hasn't even been able to start gathering signatures there. So Idaho isn't happening. See his website for deadlines and requirements.

https://www.kennedy24.com/ballot-access

Really?

How is Trump allowed onto the ID ballot without a Vice President?

Because that's a party ballot access question versus an independent candidacy access question. So different standards. I think it has to do with past performance but I'm not sure.

[The Mikado]

I think Idaho is coming up with the next deadline on March 15.

Only 1.000 signatures are required for Kennedy to be placed on the ballot there.

Kinda surprised that he didn't announce enough signatures there yet...

It's because they require him to announce a VP. So he hasn't even been able to start gathering signatures there. So Idaho isn't happening. See his website for deadlines and requirements.

https://www.kennedy24.com/ballot-access

Really?

How is Trump allowed onto the ID ballot without a Vice President?

Idaho's major parties (Republican, Democratic, Constitution, and Libertarian) are just on the ballot. Those going for an independent candidacy like RFK Jr need to play by the Independent rules.

[🇺🇦 Purple 🦄 Unicorn 🇮🇱]

So why isn't Kennedy simply announcing a VP candidate within the next 10 days?

[Redban]

So why isn't Kennedy simply announcing a VP candidate within the next 10 days?

He offers detailed reasons in the lawsuit he filed against Idaho (pg 10-14):

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.idd.53977/gov.uscourts.idd.53977.1.0.pdf

1).  The inability to collect petition signatures until a vice-presidential nominee is named by an independent presidential candidate severely shortens both the deliberative and political process afforded to political party presidential candidates to select their vice-presidential nominee with the care properly afforded to that office

2). The inability to collect petition signatures until an independent presidential candidate names his or her vice-presidential candidate shortens the number of days permitted by statute for an independent candidate to collect the required number of valid petition signatures necessary to secure ballot access.

3). The state of Idaho, has no legitimate interest in requiring an independent presidential candidate to name their vice-presidential candidate to Defendant before the date required for political party chairs to name their vice-presidential candidates to Defendant

4) The collection of signatures to demonstrate the constitutionally permitted modicum of support ... has nothing to do with the person named by the independent or minor political party as their nominees for the Office of Vice President.

5). The requirement to name a vice-presidential nominee before an independent presidential candidate may circulate a petition to collect signatures ... imposes a severe burden on speech protected under the First and Fourteenth Amendments to the United States Constitution because it prevents and shortens the time period available to engage in core political speech

6) The requirement to name a vice-presidential nominee, no later than March 15, 2024, when political party chairs are permitted to name their vice presidential nominees until September 1, 2024, is a violation of the Equal Protection Clause

[RI]

So why isn't Kennedy simply announcing a VP candidate within the next 10 days?

Also, you can choose a VP to run with in Idaho who isn't the candidate you run with in other states. It's not like it will matter.

[Pouring Rain and Blairing Music]

So why isn't Kennedy simply announcing a VP candidate within the next 10 days?

Also, you can choose a VP to run with in Idaho who isn't the candidate you run with in other states. It's not like it will matter.

McMullin did that in 2016. Also, the deadline then must’ve been later since McMullin didn’t enter until August.

[AltWorlder]

So why isn't Kennedy simply announcing a VP candidate within the next 10 days?

https://apnews.com/article/kyrsten-sinema-arizona-8043c3333e6d87da2404f58339f1e1e6