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« Reply #25 on: February 22, 2021, 01:00:18 PM »
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I feel parties (or really any politics-based organization) should be much more cautious in their use of Twitter, as in every single tweet that a party puts out should be vetted and voted on by their national board. When you look at the tweets of the American Solidarity Party, is this the views of the American Solidarity Party as a whole or just the person that controls their Twitter account? For example, no national party's tweet (be it the American Solidarity Party or the Republicans or Democrats) should ever publish a tweet contrary to the party's platform or bylaws.
Well someone’s a buzzkill. Lighten up a little man and enjoy the memes, this strategy helps attract young people to the party.

For the record, nothing on there breaks their bylaws.

You know what I mean. Is the person in charge of the party's Twitter account reflecting party values in the post or his or her own personal beliefs? The Alliance Party Twitter from reading it through some of 2020 was clearly a person's individual points of view that he or she was acting like reflected the entire party. There's a philosophical discussion to be had there, but a party shouldn't be forced to defend the points of view of whoever went off the reservation and acts like they're representing the entire body, but how you do that is never give the person the rope to go off the reservation to start with.

It's an instrument of great power as far as the party facing the public and I don't think governing boards of parties even realize it. I'd venture controlling a party's social media is more powerful than most all positions on a national governing board save perhaps Chair and Treasurer: you're controlling what people see of the party from the outside which also colors who chooses to join and who does not. So if you want for example a certain recruiting tack to encourage more people of your ilk to join and less of another competing branch and you own the Twitter account, you have the power to do that with what you decide to post.
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« Reply #26 on: February 22, 2021, 01:58:19 PM »

I’m not sure their Twitter feed harms the party much at all, in fact it’s kind of charming seeing memes and more mature speech being apart of one post.
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« Reply #27 on: February 23, 2021, 12:56:08 PM »


This is the sort of action actually delivering the goods to the people and building dual power often not present among third parties. Truly base building stuff. The fact that we’ve seen a proliferation of popular fronts, mutual aid, and solidarity networks shows that there is work being done after being all but nonexistant during the early and mid-90s and 2000s. They can’t keep the people down and divided anymore.



This move further entrenches the PSL into not just Indiana, but the wider Midwest. The Midwest usually contains numerous tendencies and parties that aren’t present in other regions; notably hosting the headquarters of the RCP, IWW, and FRSO—with recent activity of SAlt and the Working Class Party after the implosion of the ISO. The Pacific Northwest is well known as the hub of Trotskyist and Anarchist activity, taking that spot from the Midwest and Northeast, with Antifa all the rage and the most documented IWW strikes in recent memory. It is in these revisionist differing lines that explains why the Green Party is so active in the coasts and PNV in particular. The East Coast, aside from Food Not Bombs in New York and whatever the parties in Vermont are, is associated with more standard presence of Marxist-Leninist parties. They are the homes of most Marxist theoreticians and historians in the US, like Michael Parenti. The PSL is main party there, but movements by the FRSO and now PCUSA indicate competition. I’m almost sure a significant amount of the Anarchist scene there got absolved into the Green Party. Adherents to Mao Zedong Thought are the most isolated into pockets in Florida (although they are mostly feds, like seriously run from any small group espousing it ), Chicago, and the Bay Area. The Deep South is particularly hollow, only having aged social clubs of CPUSA and SWP trade unionists, although the FRSO and PSL have made inroads. The DSA is probably the only socialist organization with presence in almost every state and medium-sized in the United States, following the Green Party who were historically absent in the Mountain Range, the plain states, and the deep South.

The ASP continues to offer its critical stance on the validity of certain occupation



The AZ state court has yet to provide any reason why it kicked off Kanye from the ballot. Like the actions in Montana and Minnesota, the courts work to rig elections against the people by robbing them of choice, even when there is no clear evidence that the inclusion of multiple parties on the ballot actually is a spoiler, a concept itself thrown around as a nonexistent excuse to quash dissent. The voter base of Ye—young, white disaffected suburbanites—are a prime R demographics in these races compared to democrats, but that does not matter to the program.

This is the democrats parallel to RTW.

Outside of growth in the mountain range, the constitution party has done very little bar from whining about COVID restrictions, the democrats, and the Great Reset—a new liberal attempt to salvage current class relations.

Their Twitter has been down since December 2020 and their website barely uploaded with substantial information other than the tirades of a few party insiders. Wikipedia says they have 26 seats in local government, down from 75 before the update. I repeat my statements that the constitution party is dead and its corpse is now just a vehicle for the other Don

The lack of news and social media activity are also present in the regionalist parties in Hawai’i and Alaska. Both are made up primarily of boomers so that’s unsurprising.

SAM has an active website

WCP doesn’t, and they are nonexistant on social media
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« Reply #28 on: February 27, 2021, 12:59:51 AM »

Major Legal Marijuana Now candidate will find MAGA party, will attempt to dual card membership
? Well I hope the Legalize Cannabis party takes advantage of the rightward turn of the party or the MAGA entryists get purged. Still, how a party can fall so low as high as this one, the vibes now are wack.

Apparently there are other MAGA/Patriot Parties in the making.

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« Reply #29 on: March 01, 2021, 12:57:31 PM »

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This move further entrenches the PSL into not just Indiana, but the wider Midwest.

Ballot access in Indiana requires 2% of the vote in the Secretary of State race. So who do they have running in 2022 and where do they stand currently on petitioning his or her way onto the ballot?
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« Reply #30 on: March 01, 2021, 01:10:29 PM »

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This move further entrenches the PSL into not just Indiana, but the wider Midwest.

Ballot access in Indiana requires 2% of the vote in the Secretary of State race. So who do they have running in 2022 and where do they stand currently on petitioning his or her way onto the ballot?
Do they count write-ins?

Outside of joint endorsements in California and the US presidential race, the party doesn’t run anyone else bar one time where Eugene Puryear ran in D.C. I’m pretty sure they don’t even have ballot access outside of California on the P&F label.
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« Reply #31 on: March 01, 2021, 01:19:13 PM »

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This move further entrenches the PSL into not just Indiana, but the wider Midwest.

Ballot access in Indiana requires 2% of the vote in the Secretary of State race. So who do they have running in 2022 and where do they stand currently on petitioning his or her way onto the ballot?
Do they count write-ins?

Yes. The Greens recently have had a write-in candidate for Secretary of State. Good luck getting a write-in up to 2% however.

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Outside of joint endorsements in California and the US presidential race, the party doesn’t run anyone else bar one time where Eugene Puryear ran in D.C. I’m pretty sure they don’t even have ballot access outside of California on the P&F label.

My take is if you're a third party and you don't have ballot access, what worth are you? At that point all you are is an activist group with no ballot presence, or you can run in nonpartisan races, but in Indiana that's limited to School Boards.
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« Reply #32 on: March 01, 2021, 04:19:43 PM »

SAM Party (which is largely a paper centrist organization in New York and Connecticut) is being funded by Charles Wall.  https://www.axios.com/tobacco-third-party-serve-america-movement-2c285be1-805c-423d-bd2d-4b4b16397728.html?force_isolation=true

SWP petitioning to get on the New Jersey governor ballot this year. They need 800 signatures.
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« Reply #33 on: March 01, 2021, 07:34:20 PM »

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This move further entrenches the PSL into not just Indiana, but the wider Midwest.

Ballot access in Indiana requires 2% of the vote in the Secretary of State race. So who do they have running in 2022 and where do they stand currently on petitioning his or her way onto the ballot?
Do they count write-ins?

Yes. The Greens recently have had a write-in candidate for Secretary of State. Good luck getting a write-in up to 2% however.

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Outside of joint endorsements in California and the US presidential race, the party doesn’t run anyone else bar one time where Eugene Puryear ran in D.C. I’m pretty sure they don’t even have ballot access outside of California on the P&F label.

My take is if you're a third party and you don't have ballot access, what worth are you? At that point all you are is an activist group with no ballot presence, or you can run in nonpartisan races, but in Indiana that's limited to School Boards.
One needs to understand just how small and scattered the PSL, and organizations like SAlt, truly are. The party's membership are primarily young, precarious millennials cash-strapped and the PSL generally goes all out in its campaigns–electoral or otherwise. At minimum, there's probably like ~30 members max, cadre or otherwise. The party doesn't run for anything unless it is sure to do well, which is why it only runs joint candidates in California in recent memory. Similar story with SAlt, outside of a few attempts in Minneapolis and Michigan, the bulk of electioneering is done in its stronghold of Seattle, specifically Kshama Sawant's council seat. Same could be said about the Working class Party, whose connected organization(s) and activist affiliations existed for a little less than two decades before it went public and started running candidates, doing surprisingly well.

Having said that, I truly believe that the PSL will probably try and run for local races in the near future outside of California. It is only a matter of when. 2022 is a long time in politics.
SAM Party (which is largely a paper centrist organization in New York and Connecticut) is being funded by Charles Wall.  https://www.axios.com/tobacco-third-party-serve-america-movement-2c285be1-805c-423d-bd2d-4b4b16397728.html?force_isolation=true

SWP petitioning to get on the New Jersey governor ballot this year. They need 800 signatures.
The high profile participation in both New York and now Florida surely costs a ton to finance. I'm sure they must have a niche to fill in disaffected suburbanite Neocons and #moderate voters, but going from running in New York to get disaffected Democrats and Republicans in AOC's district to a gubernatorial run in Florida is a bit excessive. I mean, it will survive for as long as their donors have the money willing to spend, but unlike the Alliance I doubt it lasts long after their main donor gets bored and/or deeply concerned about the "sharp turn left" by the Democratic Party in 2024.

Somehow, after numerous ideological changes and major splits in its heyday, the SWP continues as a cohesive group good at getting votes. At this rate, I would not be surprised if it outlasts all of its splinters (WWP, Socialist Action, Solidarity) and most of the splinters' splinters.
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« Reply #34 on: March 07, 2021, 05:54:08 PM »

Not directly related to the ASP, but it seems like their brand of social Catholic economic leftism has more of an audience than expected, as apparently there's a publication called Solidarity Policy Collective with a nonprofit called Solidarity Lobby. The ASP Twitter is signal-boosting them.



They are podcast official with a Chapo lmao



Their @SolidarityLobby account is retweeting both DSA and ASP tweets haha

The Bruenigs have been charting out the ASP's tendency for years now, it's interesting that they're now finally tenuously connected via this org. Gonna listen to the debate between Matt Bruenig and Oren Cass, hopefully it's a good one.

At least these guys have a sense of humor and self-awareness.

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« Reply #35 on: March 13, 2021, 03:12:11 PM »

The Alliance Party has released their March Newsletter. The main news is that they are trying to craft female leadership through the newly established Women’s Council and their work to use the Nationbuilder canvassing app.

LMN is most likely going to be on the Nebraska ballot after working with the SoS to review the signatures.
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« Reply #36 on: March 20, 2021, 01:46:30 AM »

The Socialist Party offers its criticism on the People’s Party, entryism


Essentially they are critiquing them on their purported undemocratic structure, lack of a coherent ideology, and naïvety on electoral processes and barriers in general—nothing that hasn’t been said before. What is striking is twofold; including a statement from “dual card” carrierHawkins along with its statement against entryism. I suppose they mean entryism into the DSA, PP, or Democratic Party.

Still, it’s interesting that the Green Party is apparently socialistic enough to work with in their view.

Lmao, apparently the two DSA chapters who endorsed the Green ticket were harassed in true Democratic Party fashion.

P&F does not support recalling Newsom. Lame

I’m beginning to reminisce into what could have been beforehand when it wasn’t revealed to be dry spells. Remember when the Transhumanist party was a thing before Zervan left? What a waste of possibility. Same with Mark Charles’s campaign going nowhere and Dario Hunter fading into the dust.

To people watching this sort of thing for a longer while, what was the most disappointing attempts? What had potential only to fade away fast?
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« Reply #37 on: March 24, 2021, 03:47:13 PM »

WV Independent Party sets convention date amidst uncertainty of its ballot access status. They managed to get 1% of the vote through write-ins

The Mountain Party supports having one of its close allies get unionized. The IWW has Hawkins as a member. Ultimately this isn’t something far-reaching or new given that the National staff themselves are unionized by the IWW.

The recent Atlanta shooting has not been unnoticed. A section of the activist wing of the People’s Party joins the PSL and other activist groups in calling for a National Day of Action on the 27th. The PSL has a full list of where it’s gonna take place on their Twitter and on ANSWER’s website

Other groups


Apparently there was a shake up with the Alliance Party




Brock Pierce hasn’t really done much since November aside from shilling crypto. Most likely his campaign isn’t going to be active until 2023

The Constitution NC starts on April 23d
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« Reply #38 on: March 24, 2021, 07:54:41 PM »

PSOL Stateboiller and Altwonder are some of my favorite posters on the site because of how well they keep us updated on third-party politics I really enjoy reading your posts keep it up!
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« Reply #39 on: March 25, 2021, 02:26:34 AM »



The ASP twitter feed is a land of contrasts.

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« Reply #40 on: March 25, 2021, 12:38:08 PM »



The ASP twitter feed is a land of contrasts.


They are a Christian party, and that doesn’t make opposing racist rampages and opposing LGBT rights mutually exclusive.

In other news, the mechanism used to kick the Green Party off the ballot in Montana has been eliminated
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« Reply #41 on: March 28, 2021, 04:19:41 PM »

https://mobile.twitter.com/pslweb
This is the three remaining members that were charged. A great morale booster to the party as it conducts another protest campaign. From the official news, it’s clear they are pleased

BAN released their monthly newsletter. The main news is the New York wipeout of all third parties—SAM, Green, Libertarian, and Independent Party—under their Ballot Access Law along with the Kansas totals in. Apparently Hawkins got 700 votes, outdoing the other write-in candidates.

They also compiled their data from the 2000s. Aside from the Libertarians greatly surpassing the Green Party in membership since 2004; the rolls for Constitution, Reform, and Natural Law have tanked. Other minor parties have also went up as well along with independent voters

Yeah so I’m pretty sure HR1 is going to cripple the last of the third parties who don’t have dues. Mainly paper organizations only present statewide, but it could also cripple parties who don’t get enough money to qualify for each state. The ballot access and expansion of mainly smaller organizations like the Alliance Party, ASP, PSL, and SAM while also shedding off the dead weight still there on the Green Party is seriously going to impede things.
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« Reply #42 on: March 29, 2021, 09:51:12 AM »

They also compiled their data from the 2000s. Aside from the Libertarians greatly surpassing the Green Party in membership since 2004; the rolls for Constitution, Reform, and Natural Law have tanked. Other minor parties have also went up as well along with independent voters

Yeah from 2004 to now the Libertarians have slightly more than doubled. Still scale-wise we're talking 0.27% to 0.57%. It's been a pretty steady incline since 2008 when they bottomed out this century at 0.24%.

With the new Alaska laws they really need to boost their membership there. I think they can get there if they work at it.

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Yeah so I’m pretty sure HR1 is going to cripple the last of the third parties who don’t have dues. Mainly paper organizations only present statewide, but it could also cripple parties who don’t get enough money to qualify for each state. The ballot access and expansion of mainly smaller organizations like the Alliance Party, ASP, PSL, and SAM while also shedding off the dead weight still there on the Green Party is seriously going to impede things.

To be fair, I think the minor parties should have membership and dues. It gets rid of the entryists, the chancers, the hacks, and requires a very small amount of buy-in before you can have a voice. I know for the Indiana Libertarians that "buy-in" is $25 annually at a minimum. People that want to be politically engaged yet cry poverty will spend more than that on craft beer in a month or two.
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« Reply #43 on: March 29, 2021, 09:56:08 AM »

They also compiled their data from the 2000s. Aside from the Libertarians greatly surpassing the Green Party in membership since 2004; the rolls for Constitution, Reform, and Natural Law have tanked. Other minor parties have also went up as well along with independent voters

Yeah from 2004 to now the Libertarians have slightly more than doubled. Still scale-wise we're talking 0.27% to 0.57%. It's been a pretty steady incline since 2008 when they bottomed out this century at 0.24%.

With the new Alaska laws they really need to boost their membership there. I think they can get there if they work at it.
Well this takes away the fact that membership in third parties are usually more active than the larger parties, largely being pushed by inertia
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Yeah so I’m pretty sure HR1 is going to cripple the last of the third parties who don’t have dues. Mainly paper organizations only present statewide, but it could also cripple parties who don’t get enough money to qualify for each state. The ballot access and expansion of mainly smaller organizations like the Alliance Party, ASP, PSL, and SAM while also shedding off the dead weight still there on the Green Party is seriously going to impede things.

To be fair, I think the minor parties should have membership and dues. It gets rid of the entryists, the chancers, the hacks, and requires a very small amount of buy-in before you can have a voice. I know for the Indiana Libertarians that "buy-in" is $25 annually at a minimum. People that want to be politically engaged yet cry poverty will spend more than that on craft beer in a month or two.
Would you be willing on sharing your experiences of these folks near you?
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« Reply #44 on: March 29, 2021, 10:20:14 AM »
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People that want to be politically engaged yet cry poverty will spend more than that on craft beer in a month or two.
Would you be willing on sharing your experiences of these folks near you?

I'm an officer that helps do governance for my rugby club. We're required to self-fund our club for it to exist and us to play games. With the exception here and there of some guys we know aren't well off and we'll help them out, the guys that we always have to twist arms to get to pay dues, even in a piecemeal fashion, you always see at the bar buying drinks. For the high school grads that recently came in, they just expect their parents to pay for everything because that's what they're used to, but we know most of them are on pot and their parents aren't paying for that. So our general response to those people is don't sit and cry you don't have money, pay up or you're not playing.
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« Reply #45 on: March 30, 2021, 12:04:05 PM »
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So the PSL is now running people outside of California now with a candidate in the Urbana-Champaign area. It’s going to be interesting if they can get the local DSA to endorse them.

Get ready for Kshama Sawant 2.0

I decided to go back to Atlas’s past and dug up this interesting thread
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« Reply #46 on: March 31, 2021, 08:15:21 AM »
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The Socialist Party offers its criticism on the People’s Party, entryism


Essentially they are critiquing them on their purported undemocratic structure, lack of a coherent ideology, and naïvety on electoral processes and barriers in general—nothing that hasn’t been said before. What is striking is twofold; including a statement from “dual card” carrierHawkins along with its statement against entryism. I suppose they mean entryism into the DSA, PP, or Democratic Party.

Still, it’s interesting that the Green Party is apparently socialistic enough to work with in their view.

Do people on the left pay attention to the Socialist Party USA? Real question.

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To people watching this sort of thing for a longer while, what was the most disappointing attempts? What had potential only to fade away fast?

Reform Party clearly. I'd've joined them in the 2000s if it was still credible by third party standards and had an underlying organization. There's real questions to be asked of even remove all the entryists in 2000 hostile taking over the party to get access to the $12 million of federal funding (Pat Buchanan and Lenora Fulani political allies, that was a thing people) if it could've carried on post-Perot, but 2000 just killed it long-term.

Maybe the best thing that could have happened with hindsight was Perot chose not to run in '96 and Lamm instead won the primary and Perot acted as chief endorser. Lamm performs worse than Perot did obviously but acts as an organization building run, and maybe Perot made a comeback run in 2000 where he should bump up higher. Guessing that's unlikely though as Perot probably wasn't going to run against Bush.

Always felt the '92 and '96 Perot voters are so little understood in political science academic circles. It's not like all those people just up and died. They went and voted afterward, probably in D or R primaries as well as generals.
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« Reply #47 on: March 31, 2021, 02:28:00 PM »

No, but they are useful ally for the Green Party to attack the People’s Party on the Left. It also suggests that they are invested in the Green Party as a long-term ally, the first of several parties to confirm so.

Yeah, Reform after Perot was seriously susceptible to infiltrations and wreckers. It’s no wonder that internal squabbling and hostile takeovers broke the party into pieces that have now drifted into either irrelevance or in other directions. Seems like most voters went to the Republican Party while the rest to the Democrats or not voting anymore. The middle-managers meanwhile went to the Libertarians and Alliance parties.



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« Reply #48 on: April 07, 2021, 09:40:16 PM »

The Constitution Party releases their Contract for California: A Red Pill Manifesto

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COVID-19 : Reality and Recovery
Economic Recovery and Renaissance
Stop the American Mafia – the true key to financial recovery, prosperity, and restoring our Republic
Health Care – We need a Revolution
” Climate Change ” – The Sky Is NOT Falling
Say ” NO!! ” to the ” Banana Republic “
Make America Great Again ( MAGA ) – Make America Constitutional Again ( MACA )
” White Supremacy ” starts and ends with Planned Parenthood
ALL Lives Matter but Black Lives Matter ( BLM ) are  Enemies of Humanity and Enemies of Blacks
White Nationalism – A) We love our country; B) We don’t apologize for that; C) Caucasians have  nothing to apologize for; D) Racists must apologize to Caucasians
The LGBT War Against Humanity
Save children from the soul molestation of ” transgender “
Save the children – abandon the public school system
Save Women – Stop the attack of Feminism
Save Men – Stop the production of “Betas “
Save Humanity – Stop the Lizard People
It is more than OK to be white
The American Independent Party of California – utterly corrupt-to-the-bone and beyond
Recall Newsom – a King Rat in the Rat Army
No ” Unity ” with Satan/Demons
The Religion of Evolution – a key to Social Engineering
The Main Stream Media ( MSM ) – Enemies of The Republic and Enemies of Humanity
As our Constitutional Republic, including California, is murdered so dies the world
The planned, and permanent, suspension of the Constitution
The future and what shall we do

I see that the Constitution Party is attempting to do youth outreach towards adopting the rhetoric of young conservatives.
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« Reply #49 on: April 13, 2021, 10:33:14 PM »
« Edited: April 13, 2021, 10:36:43 PM by PSOL »

Dissident right-wing Green faction now up and running as IGP, already have candidate for 2024. Includes such controversial figures like Cynthia McKinney and David Rolde. The link provided shows recent anti-Semitic and Vaccine denialist antics they’ve recently posted.

In the article they have said that there are “Communists” in this party, something I doubt given that the aforementioned members are apart of the right and the Green Party has no history with Communist entryists.

While they’ll be irrelevant and most likely dissipate into the wind by 2023 the latest, indeed most likely their chances of getting ballot access will be in Alaska, the main reason I posted this is to show what the current Green Party ideological slant is now leaning towards the Left and to document what becomes of the splinters.

The Green Party on April 6th elected their first mayor in Illinois. Mainly it seems like ticket splitting between this three-way race made him win. Either way, Illinois is a state where I’m surprised hasn’t seen more attempts at local and statewide races given the safe D lean in urban areas ripe to be taken advantage of in their dissatisfaction and easy ballot access laws. Outside of Willie Wilson pouring immense amount of money for his vanity campaigns, no other serious attempts statewide were done since 2010 and it’s not like national third parties make inroads here locally.

ASP got .5% in a special election in Wisconsin, in a 4-way race between the duopoly and a perennial “Trump Conservative”. There’s also this race

Libertarians won a council seat in the city of Alva in Oklahoma. Given the fact that the Democratic brand is incredibly toxic in the plain states, I expect further gains there along with the mention of Indiana as indicated by Stateboiler.
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