2024 Third Party and Independent Candidate General discussion

[PSOL]

So recently it has come to light to me that the Green party’s DC branch is led by a black conservative. Dear god this explains why they go nowhere in that city. The fact that so much of the Green party’s local affiliates are led by awful lords treating the party like a personal fiefdom is why the party continuously fails to maintain local gains in the face of state pressure. Even with many of the worst elements leaving in 2020, the fact that this guy and the Colorado branch still hasn’t been dealt with is a sore spot on the party’s long term reliability.

The PSL doesn’t have this problem and neither do most other of the Green party’s allies on account of being somewhere on the scale of utilizing democratic centralism and vanguardism.

The Green party needs to bite the bullet and start cleaning up shop completely instead of letting these tumors fester. They can regain ballot access in a lot of these states.

[PSOL]

On what should have been a joyous day, John Resenbrink, Green party cofounder, is dead at 94

[PSOL]

Hawai’i results

Status in Vermont

[PSOL]

IPR is claiming that the Greens have 60% higher membership than the LP at 25,000. Where they got this number is uncertain, as back in the 2000s their membership was at 10,000 or so. That they grew during this time is a surprise given poor electoral status’s. Take in mind that if this is true, all the socialist parties that have like a few hundred members scattered nationwide do much better than the greens. The PSL and P&F have like 3-4k paying members at best, and got 1/4 of the green total in 2020 prez. Socialist Alternative has 1000+ members scattered across the country, and have gotten better gains than them.

[Blow by blow, the passion dies]

IPR is claiming that the Greens have 60% higher membership than the LP at 25,000. Where they got this number is uncertain, as back in the 2000s their membership was at 10,000 or so. That they grew during this time is a surprise given poor electoral status’s. Take in mind that if this is true, all the socialist parties that have like a few hundred members scattered nationwide do much better than the greens. The PSL and P&F have like 3-4k paying members at best, and got 1/4 of the green total in 2020 prez. Socialist Alternative has 1000+ members scattered across the country, and have gotten better gains than them.

Could be lies

[PSOL]

IPR is claiming that the Greens have 60% higher membership than the LP at 25,000. Where they got this number is uncertain, as back in the 2000s their membership was at 10,000 or so. That they grew during this time is a surprise given poor electoral status’s. Take in mind that if this is true, all the socialist parties that have like a few hundred members scattered nationwide do much better than the greens. The PSL and P&F have like 3-4k paying members at best, and got 1/4 of the green total in 2020 prez. Socialist Alternative has 1000+ members scattered across the country, and have gotten better gains than them.

Could be lies

Yes, but from who? Because I doubt they have more than 7-8k dues paying members.

[AltWorlder]

If Gabbard doesn't go GOP, will she join the Constitution Party, or the Forward Party?

[NYDem]

If Gabbard doesn't go GOP, will she join the Constitution Party, or the Forward Party?

The Constitution Party hasn't been even vaguely relevant since like 2006, and I doubt that she would fit in with the Forward Party's particular brand of weirdness. I think she's going to stay independent, though I doubt she runs for anything again.

[Orwell]

If Gabbard doesn't go GOP, will she join the Constitution Party, or the Forward Party?

The Constitution Party hasn't been even vaguely relevant since like 2006, and I doubt that she would fit in with the Forward Party's particular brand of weirdness. I think she's going to stay independent, though I doubt she runs for anything again.

I'd say it was pretty relevant in 2008-2010, Basically sinking Gordon Smith in Oregon and getting a lot of support with Tancredo in Colorado. They're looking to make a comeback their RV's have gone up 50% since Trump's election.

[AltWorlder]

Some outsider could do a Don Blankenship-style takeover for the party, at least for an election or two. Gabbard probably doesn't care to do that, though.

[Mt Sinai]

If Gabbard doesn't go GOP, will she join the Constitution Party, or the Forward Party?

You do realize the Consitution Party is 100% pro life and Tulsi literally supports Codifying Roe right?

Yeah that will never happen.

[AltWorlder]

I suppose if it hadn't already fallen to cultish in-fighting, the People's Party would be the ideal place for  Gabbard to be its flag-bearer.

[Kleine Scheiße]

Lemme tell you somethinITS OVER

[AltWorlder]

I don't know if they currently have a political party, but apparently Tulsi's a hit with at least one prominent LaRouchite

https://twitter.com/SocialismS4A/status/1580642614097084417

[Blow by blow, the passion dies]

I don't know if they currently have a political party, but apparently Tulsi's a hit with at least one prominent LaRouchite

https://twitter.com/SocialismS4A/status/1580642614097084417

Lyndon LaRouche was a Democrat after 1979

[PSOL]

Left Unity in striking distance to surpass the Libertarians in the rolls

[Agonized-Statism]

Left Unity in striking distance to surpass the Libertarians in the rolls

Still about half unless you want to combine Peace and Freedom and the Greens, and tf is going on in that comment section

[PSOL]

Left Unity in striking distance to surpass the Libertarians in the rolls

Still about half unless you want to combine Peace and Freedom and the Greens, and tf is going on in that comment section

Indeed that was where I was going for.

That comment section is what happens when you tolerate republicans on the internet.

[LAKISYLVANIA]

I don't know if they currently have a political party, but apparently Tulsi's a hit with at least one prominent LaRouchite

https://twitter.com/SocialismS4A/status/1580642614097084417

a lot of left wingers probably are not aware of tulsi trying to appeal to right wingers.

[Agonized-Statism]

Indeed that was where I was going for.

Greens + smaller and regional left-wing parties + Progressive Democrats would be a strong start for a center-to-left-wing third-party, but have there been any actual steps toward left unity?

[PSOL]

Indeed that was where I was going for.

Greens + smaller and regional left-wing parties + Progressive Democrats would be a strong start for a center-to-left-wing third-party, but have there been any actual steps toward left unity?

I expect the “Alliance” between the Green-Socialist+ and P&F+ alliances to continue well within 2024

[ReallySuper]

It would be terrific if the P&F and Greens could nominate a joint presidential candidate in 2024. Howie Hawkins tried in 2020 but lost the primary with about 1/3rd of the vote to La Riva's 2/3rds. Hopefully the success of the Left Unity slate this year encourages them to go for it.

[PSOL]

Looking at prior disasters of grand alliances–Italy, Hungary, Bulgaria–and even with broad "left alliances"–Sweden (in all but name), Serbia, Croatia, and most pertinently France–is having the blocs be united seamlessly without proper debate and demarcation of boundaries worth it? The Green Party has unjustly pulled candidates out of Oregon, Florida, and won't run anyone in Illinois out of appeasing democrats and hoping they don't retaliate. Maybe having multiple lists and letting the best ideas come up top is the right way, as was the case in 2020 where voters wanted parties that represented their interests and put forth ideas that signaled a turn towards being worker oriented with a platform representing the society they want to live in.

[PSOL]

https://twitter.com/ThompsonForSC/status/1585000307461083136?cxt=HHwWgMDS8bjYhv8...
https://twitter.com/AmSolidarity/status/1589754850719707136?cxt=HHwWgMDR0aTn-I8s...
https://twitter.com/ShaneHoffmanUSA/status/1589735711540146177?cxt=HHwWgsDT0Z6N8...
Green party candidates
Working Class candidates
PA Keystone candidates
Maine
Florida by county
Oklahoma
Iowa
Massachusetts
Califonia makes being an independent state candidate impossible with 219,403 signatures needed

[PSOL]

So 13 candidates running for the greens are uncontested. They are

Bruce Delgado, Mayor, Marina, Monterrey County, California (elected incumbent, 2008-to present)

Miguel Guillen

James King

Mike Stewart

Robert ‘Bob’ Wichert,

Ronnie Odneal

John Bailey

Fred McCann

Daniel Kramer

Don Alexander

Anna Robin

Joyce Robinson-Paul

Kimory Orendoff

The Green party is thus running contested races in 27 other races

Competitive races won: