2024 Third Party and Independent Candidate General discussion

[StateBoiler]

Video of Andrew Yang interviewing Marianne Williamson. Per IPR, they discussed the Forward Party, Democratic National Committee, and third parties. The summary said Yang tried to talk her into running for the Forward nomination in 2024 but Williamson was noncommittal.

The Forward Party is shaping up to be another Reform. Efforts to draft other candidates will fail, Yang will jump in himself in 2024 and fail to make an impact, then maybe some Republican or Democrat will use it as a vehicle to spite a successful primary challenger preceding its collapse. It's just the Yang party.

There's 3 different entities that are newish and all are kind of crossing over a bit. Alliance Party and Forward Party are pretty much on the exact same real estate to the point where a "merger" should seriously be in consideration, although the Forward Party has no infrastructure in comparison to the Alliance Party, which is not really national Alliance infrastructure and more a grab-bag of independent state parties' infrastructure, so Alliance gains nothing in a merger except Andrew Yang, his donor list, and the remnants of what he built up in Iowa, New Hamsphire, and New York City. It wouldn't surprise me if we get to 2024 and if Andrew Yang is running as a Forward Party candidate he becomes Alliance's nominee. Then you have the People's Party which are in theory to the left of both of these groups, but seems to be taking the same left independent free thinker stance on issues.

[AltWorlder]

The Alliance Party seems to be stuck in the third party niche ghetto imo. The people behind it are all like  3rd party insiders- Rocky De La Fuente, Darcy Richardson, Brian Moore.

That said, that wouldn't be a deterrent from them to endorse Yang.

[StateBoiler]

The Alliance Party seems to be stuck in the third party niche ghetto imo. The people behind it are all like  3rd party insiders- Rocky De La Fuente, Darcy Richardson, Brian Moore.

I think Richardson left and I don't believe De La Fuente backs any organization outside of himself.

Has Rocky filed for any primaries in 2022 yet?

[StateBoiler]

BAN:

As of January 30, the Alabama Libertarian Party has 49,000 raw signatures on its party petition for 2022. It needs 51,588 valid. The deadline is in early May 2022. Assuming the party qualifies, 2022 will be the first election in Alabama since 2002 that voters will have seen someone who is not a Republican or Democratic nominee on their ballot for statewide office (other than president, which requires 5,000 signatures for an independent).

Further comment from Winger on a hope after a person mentions retaining ballot access requires 20% of the vote:

The last time the Alabama Libertarian Party did the petition, in 2000, the party did get over 20% for one statewide office and therefore was on the ballot automatically in 2002. Back then the Alabama Democratic Party was stronger. In 2018, there were eleven partisan statewide races with no Democrat running. In 2020, when there are fewer statewide offices, there were six partisan statewide races with no Democrat running. In 2014 the Democrats didn’t even run anyone for US Senate.

Also, assuming the 2022 petition succeeds, the party will run some candidates for partisan county office, and if they get 20% then the party will be on the ballot automatically in 2024 for county office.

Also, it will be lots of work for the Alabama election officials to check so many signatures, and in an effort to reduce that work in the future, elections officials, including the Secretary of State, might ask the legislature to reduce either the petition or the vote test. That has happened in other states. Few people realize that over half the states have eased their party retention laws during the last 45 years. The median vote test in 1976 was 5%. Now it is 2%.

[PSOL]

After Unity, SAM, Alliance, and Forward—another vanity “moderate” party appears on the scene led by a has-been. They should qualify for the ballot in California very shortly.
Green party runs a very good, locally tailored candidate for NC Senate

Well, at least this isn’t like the travesty they think will get them votes like in the Texas gubernatorial election.

[StateBoiler]

After Unity, SAM, Alliance, and Forward—another vanity “moderate” party appears on the scene led by a has-been. They should qualify for the ballot in California very shortly.

Considering third parties can't win states and are all about number of votes, there needs to be some ballot access in California for that moderate viewpoint. I know you disagree, but I don't consider the Peace & Freedom Party to be anything more than a presidential ballot access line for California. No reason the Common Sense Party of California can't fill the same niche that the PFP or the AIP does for their respective viewpoints.

[AltWorlder]

No reason the Common Sense Party of California can't fill the same niche that the PFP or the AIP does for their respective viewpoints.

The Alliance Party should just start an affiliate in CA, but I suppose this Common Sense Party might end up being just that. They really oughta rope in Chamath Palihapitiya, if not as an actual candidate, as a donor at least.

[PSOL]

So apparently even Jill stein backed the anti-Hawkins alliance, and yet it still failed. Devastating.
I’m interested in what happens in Reno now that there’s another controversy among those wanting a progressive-Libertarian alliance, whose candidate is running for Idaho statewide office. The PLAS people are perhaps the most isolated yet persistent group of people in the Libertarian party who both despise government intervention and have strong socially conservative wings.

[Shaula🏳️‍⚧️]

Video of Andrew Yang interviewing Marianne Williamson. Per IPR, they discussed the Forward Party, Democratic National Committee, and third parties. The summary said Yang tried to talk her into running for the Forward nomination in 2024 but Williamson was noncommittal.

The Forward Party is shaping up to be another Reform. Efforts to draft other candidates will fail, Yang will jump in himself in 2024 and fail to make an impact, then maybe some Republican or Democrat will use it as a vehicle to spite a successful primary challenger preceding its collapse. It's just the Yang party.

There's 3 different entities that are newish and all are kind of crossing over a bit. Alliance Party and Forward Party are pretty much on the exact same real estate to the point where a "merger" should seriously be in consideration, although the Forward Party has no infrastructure in comparison to the Alliance Party, which is not really national Alliance infrastructure and more a grab-bag of independent state parties' infrastructure, so Alliance gains nothing in a merger except Andrew Yang, his donor list, and the remnants of what he built up in Iowa, New Hamsphire, and New York City. It wouldn't surprise me if we get to 2024 and if Andrew Yang is running as a Forward Party candidate he becomes Alliance's nominee. Then you have the People's Party which are in theory to the left of both of these groups, but seems to be taking the same left independent free thinker stance on issues.

I've been saying Yang/Tulsi will run on a ticket since the beginning of last year. It's inevitable.

[PSOL]

It’s been forever now

According to BAN, Hawkins will run as the Green Party nominee for NY Gov while Larry Sharpe will have the endorsement of the Libertarian, Forward, and Upstate Jobs ballot access line. The Libertarians might get more votes here over the Green Party and subsequently all third party candidates since 1994. Hawkins however will throw a pretty valiant campaign, as is tradition, and will most likely get a few DSA endorsements from select personalities and definitely the backing of the PSL along with basically everyone else relevant on the New York left scene.

Edit: oh yeah, the peoples party is collapsing. Everyone is either breaking away (Washington, effectively the WV PP), breaking apart (Virginia), or jumping ship (Marianne has been signaling this for a while) as Nick Brana is hit with a sexual assault allegation. Can I just say, lmao, what a damn waste of time for everyone involved.

Another edit: a pro-Freedom Convoy group is splitting from SPUSA and positioning itself as to the left of it. I’m skeptical to say the least.

[NYSforKennedy2024]

It’s been forever now

According to BAN, Hawkins will run as the Green Party nominee for NY Gov while Larry Sharpe will have the endorsement of the Libertarian, Forward, and Upstate Jobs ballot access line. The Libertarians might get more votes here over the Green Party and subsequently all third party candidates since 1994. Hawkins however will throw a pretty valiant campaign, as is tradition, and will most likely get a few DSA endorsements from select personalities and definitely the backing of the PSL along with basically everyone else relevant on the New York left scene.

Edit: oh yeah, the peoples party is collapsing. Everyone is either breaking away (Washington, effectively the WV PP), breaking apart (Virginia), or jumping ship (Marianne has been signaling this for a while) as Nick Brana is hit with a sexual assault allegation. Can I just say, lmao, what a damn waste of time for everyone involved.

Another edit: a pro-Freedom Convoy group is splitting from SPUSA and positioning itself as to the left of it. I’m skeptical to say the least.

An interesting report as always!

[StateBoiler]

President Joe Biden will deliver his State of the Union speech on March 1. The Republican Party will have a response. The Working Families Party also plans a response. The WFP speech will be by Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib of Michigan, and will be live-streamed on the WFP facebook page. This is the second year in a row the WFP has had a Democratic member of congress deliver the WFP speech.

Does the Michigan Democratic Party practice fusion?

[PSOL]

Massive victory in maintaining ballot access in California

In 2022, Peace & Freedom polled 3.1% for Treasurer, 2.3% for Insurance Commissioner, and 2.1% for Lieutenant Governor. But in 2018, it only had one candidate who polled over 2% for a statewide office: Treasurer 2.3%.

In 2022, the Green Party polled 3.5% for Controller, 2.7% for Attorney General, and 2.5% for Secretary of State. But in 2018, it only had one candidate who polled over 2% for a statewide office: Secretary of State 2.1%.

A grand revival, great to see these recent string of victories like the Green Party getting ballot access in North Carolina. Also glad to see that the left is .5% away from being the largest third party presence in California
IPR and BAN, led by people who lost power in the recent LNC convention, have begun massive crackdowns on most of the pro-Mises posters. Sad, the slap fights led to great political knowledge seeping over from the chaff.

George Phillies has also ruined the user interface and style of IPR, cutting ties with most of the contributors. Sad, the wringing about the LNC and modern Green Party was pretty funny all things considered and was great insight into the minds of small business owners and upper middle income workers. Now I have to go to zeroHedge.

[ReallySuper]

Massive victory in maintaining ballot access in California

In 2022, Peace & Freedom polled 3.1% for Treasurer, 2.3% for Insurance Commissioner, and 2.1% for Lieutenant Governor. But in 2018, it only had one candidate who polled over 2% for a statewide office: Treasurer 2.3%.

In 2022, the Green Party polled 3.5% for Controller, 2.7% for Attorney General, and 2.5% for Secretary of State. But in 2018, it only had one candidate who polled over 2% for a statewide office: Secretary of State 2.1%.

A grand revival, great to see these recent string of victories like the Green Party getting ballot access in North Carolina. Also glad to see that the left is .5% away from being the largest third party presence in California

It's almost like running a Left Unity slate of candidates for once instead of constantly competing against each other is mutually beneficial or something... who would've thought

[PSOL]

I still have no idea why P&F didn’t order their members to run under the Green party banner like most of the other trots do outside of California.

Anyway I am happy that something is being done, but this isn’t enough. The P&F need to swallow their pride and beg for all the other parties to come back—FSP, WWP, and more. Like, get on their knees begging that they made mistakes and they’ll give the parties in question whatever they want. They also need to balance it out, the PSL while getting better shouldn’t be the only people they are running. Where’s the Ray O Light people and everyone else that made it better. Heck, they should start begging for the FTP and RCP people to start running on their banner. They have gotten better at this with finally running Lucha De Clase recently.

The Green party needs to do the same and start cleansing themselves. Give SPUSA, Margaret Flowers, and Ajamu Baraka the wheels of power and shift left. Start enforcing Democratic Centralism and kick the liberal holdouts out.

[PSOL]

according to Cam Gordon’s concession speech, Worlobah is a member of SAlt. This gives them two officeholders as of right now, one councilors in Minneapolis and Kshama Sawant as the other

New York bans parties naming themselves with the words independent or independence. Wonder if California will soon adopt this law.

The ASP is running Oliver Black for Wa-3 and Abernathy for Texas Governor.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AmericaElige/status/1537044444293517312?cxt=HHwWgMDSo...

One of the rare few polls that show at least two third party or independent candidates for US elections.

[PSOL]

SWP and Alliance trying to get on MN ballot. Libertarians and Greens are not going to submit an attempt.

[PSOL]

So IPR has gone to sh!t lately with the new owners driving the site to the ground. All the good contributors have left the site and comments have been suppressed. The user interface is awful and they haven’t posted anything good.

BAN has gone through similar hurdles with comment censorship. Sad to see such great commentary go away.

American 3rd party report is offline and most likely gone for good.

All of this over butthurt from losing a convention.

[Senator-elect Spark]

Draft The Rock, H. Ross Perot Jr., and Ye

[PSOL]

Draft The Rock, H. Ross Perot Jr., and Ye

No one wants this

Stateboiler, I know you have close connections with George Phillies, please for the love of god bring us the old IPR back. The new look is godawful and it isn’t fun to have the regulars s•••post. I and this thread got great pieces of information from that site and it isn’t worth it now with the current censorship. I am not going to go to twitter and get all that drama, sifting through everything is far too much work.

On BAN I get Winger’s position on this, that saint, but at least give me my daily funnies back.

[ReallySuper]

if at first you don't succeed at intimidating green party petition-signers to withdraw their signatures (montana 2020 flashbacks):

https://twitter.com/MatthewPHoh/status/1541456635704627201?cxt=HHwWgsC-_ZSpreQqA...


try, try again (WI, MI, PA flashbacks): https://ballot-access.org/2022/06/30/north-carolina-state-board-of-elections-refuses-to-certify-green-party-despite-counties-having-validated-signatures/


lol at the dems alleging "fraud". the real big lie

[PSOL]

Greens on the ballot in New Mexico
Someone does the math in the comments about vote transferability between the third parties and the Democrats

In other words, a Republican’s 2nd choice is a Right Wing party over the Libertarian Party.
A Democrat’s 2nd choice is the Libertarian Party over a Right Wing party.

Libertarians increase their voter registration by .09% in Nebraska, .08 in Maryland per BAN

The newly formed Working Class party is set to surpass the Green party if they keep growing the way they are now according to BAN. Their voter registration totals increased by .06%. While the Greens only increased by .02%. Another .06% and they would be neck-and-neck in vote totals. The WCP is a vanguard party following democratic centralism, so their membership is more engaged than the Greens which is a mass party. This is immensely embarrassing as the current major leader of the GNC, Margaret Flowers, lives in Maryland.
The PSL is leading massive abortion rights protests, well, everywhere. It would be immensely time consuming to list them all, so I suggest you take a look on their Twitter and the Abortion section of Liberation News.
The ASP isn’t really doing anything atm and not much has appeared to be newsworthy outside of stuff I mentioned prior, so here’s a tweet of something other than saying cheese in a respectable fashion or anti-abortion posts
https://twitter.com/AmSolidarity/status/1543227845518016513?cxt=HHwWgoC-uZLj0uoq...

It should be noted that one of their major supporters, Howard Ahmarson, is a prior member of the Chalcedon foundation which is against the legality of divorce. Member Rod Dreher meanwhile is a simp for Francoist Spain and has a history of unsavory comments on transgender people and African Americans. Among a list of other people
The Alliance party is running Hugh Mctavish for Minnesota Governor

The messaging they have now is all feel good platitudes.

[PSOL]

The workers party is going to be on the ballot for US House in Illinois, the only left wing party to do so. Very embarrassing to the Greens and PSL for failing to get on the ballot.

Libertarians have successfully gotten on the ballot for a variety of positions as well.

Aloha Ainu and the Green Party have primaries going on in Hawai’i.

[PSOL]

Greens hosting their annual meeting

LNC going to have their 2024 convention in Washington

Moderate party going to run for house in Rhode Island

Ok, I’m sort of concerned with how the PSL is tagging along with the P&F for a possible #LeftUnity ticket. The Green Party is a mess of its own and we’ve seen that the moderate faction will up and steal the momentum and votes if not treaded lightly. The PSL needs to be very careful in getting both the maximum from any hypothetical partnership and in maintaining independence in messaging and campaigning if things go south. Ballot access and not running doesn’t come easy.

The secretary running IPR has next to no idea what she is doing. They’re stuck to making unnecessary empty threads to generate more ad revenue instead of making the site better. They’ve lost a ton of contributors writing articles and are stuck with complete rejects like E pluribus spamming plagiarized biographies from Wikipedia.

[PSOL]

George Phillies, in his quest of purging information to be lost to time, has destroyed American Third Party Watch and all its old articles. Incredible, just incredible how far his destructive reach is.

The last place whose memo is focusing on third parties and which hasn’t collapsed is Am3rdpartywatch, and with George Phillies quest on destroying everything, that isn’t sacred for much longer.