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« Reply #1200 on: April 10, 2024, 09:16:49 AM »

Well, Nick Brana of the People’s party is aiding RFK Jr. so it really is all the rejects lining up for Jr.

Getting paid is better than not getting paid.
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« Reply #1201 on: April 10, 2024, 09:25:36 AM »

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« Reply #1202 on: April 10, 2024, 10:29:05 AM »

I'm sorry, but what's the deal with his voice?
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« Reply #1203 on: April 10, 2024, 10:34:04 AM »

I'm sorry, but what's the deal with his voice?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spasmodic_dysphonia

Same condition Susan Collins has.
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« Reply #1204 on: April 10, 2024, 10:40:01 AM »


ahh ok. I wasn't trying to be mean -- I was just curious.

There's many other valid concerns I have about him that have nothing to do with the way he speaks!
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« Reply #1205 on: April 10, 2024, 01:13:10 PM »

There is confusion or misinformation about Kennedy's political bent. Democrats scream "ANTI-VAX" repeatedly to claim that RFK Jr is a Ted Cruz Republican. Republicans point to RFK Jr's enviromentalism and other positions to claim he is a Bernie Sanders Democrat.

Kennedy's site details many of his plans and positions : https://www.kennedy24.com/

Below is a summary taken from his campaign site. The overall truth is that RFK Jr is left-leaning. He is not a hard-left Bernie Sanders / Liz Warren liberal, but he is not a Republican at all.

 He may be comparable to Mayor Bloomberg in terms of mixing liberal views with a few conservative views sprinkled


Democratic policies / ideas:

- $15 minimum wage
- Support unions; criminally charge corporations that try to break up unions
- Give federal tax deduction for union dues
- Offer free childcare
- Vastly reduce military spending; divert military budget funding to infrastructure, education, healthcare
- Make student debt dischargeable in bankruptcy, remove interest rates on student loans, and allow refinancing
- Lower tuition costs by making schools responsible for defaults
- Offer government-backed mortgage loans to lower high interest rates on mortgages
- Incentivize transition to zero-waste cycles and clean energy sources
 - Protect wild lands by blocking the expansion of mining, logging, oil drilling
- No need for a 2,000-mile wall along the border
- Expand legal immigration
- Reduce / restrict government surveillance
- End War on drugs; give amnesty to nonviolent drug offenders
- Move prisons' focus from punishment to rehabilitation
- Incentive police to refrain from making unneccesary arrests; prioritize de-escalation and mediation training
- Set aside federal money to rebuild black infrastructure, such as schools and farms in black areas
- Establish low-cost or free addiction healing centers on organic farms, open for the whole public
- Expand government-funded programs for youths, such as job training and social service
- Free passport cards for any and all U.S. citizens, ensuring all citizens have government-ID
-  Protect Native American land and sacred sites and restore any land that has been taken illegally
- Break up "too-big-to-fail" banks and monopolies
- Promise to bail out homeowners, debtors, and small businesses if crisis occurs
- Promote alternative and holistic therapies to reduce health-care cost
- Refuse to reduce any veteran benefits
-  Redesign Peace Corps to function as job training college alternative: offer 4-yr program with benefits akin to military

BiPartisan:

- Secure border and halt illegal immigration
- More funding for immigration courts and border agencies
- Reverse chronic disease epidemic
- Promote government transparency, prosecute corruption, rein in lobbyists
- Dismantle censorship-industrial complex in the Big Tech companies
- Never weaponize the law against political opponent, nor hold politicians above the law
- End school to prison pipeline
- Establish a Veterans' Council in President Executive Office to address veteran issue


Republican policies / ideas

- Limit trade deals to stop low-wage countries from getting American jobs
- Reduce foreign aid (e.g. Ukraine), end proxy wars, and reduce American  military presence abroad
- Biden admin has failed USA on border security; they dismantled technology like motion sensors at border
- Ensure Covid-era lockdowns never happen again
- Vaccine skeptism
- Promote trade schools over 4-year college
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« Reply #1206 on: April 10, 2024, 04:14:41 PM »

Third party efforts this election are so cooked Talk Elections is behind the curve in roasting Cornel West's joke of a VP pick







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« Reply #1207 on: April 10, 2024, 04:28:53 PM »
« Edited: April 10, 2024, 04:31:55 PM by Redban »

West’s campaign will not go anywhere, but his support will go to Stein and RFK Jr, not Biden. So Biden supporters will not be able to celebrate
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« Reply #1208 on: April 10, 2024, 06:10:51 PM »

Woof, Abdullah seems nuts even for Twitter leftist standards
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« Reply #1209 on: April 10, 2024, 06:31:35 PM »

Republican policies / ideas

- Limit trade deals to stop low-wage countries from getting American jobs
- Reduce foreign aid (e.g. Ukraine), end proxy wars, and reduce American  military presence abroad

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- Ensure Covid-era lockdowns never happen again

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- Promote trade schools over 4-year college

These actually used to be Democratic ideas 35 years ago. Or at least the anti-lockdown stance would have been if COVID was around then.
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« Reply #1210 on: April 10, 2024, 07:11:44 PM »

The reason why the activist class are among the worst people alive and so pervasive among the left is honestly because a lot of them aren’t that left wing to begin with. Humility, empathy, and understanding are some of the rarest traits in the human race and it is just as rare on the left. Inherently this is why the Bolsheviks didn’t sweep the race in the 1917 election, and why nonsense trying to rehabilitate the Narodniks and popular socialists are always wrong. So many people live in a bubble.

The rehash of the past has haunted the Left through a new 80s movement, Democrats are haunted by the specter of the Kennedy clan, and republicans have wholly not just swallowed the worst of the 80s but also the worst the democrats had to offer in the 80s.

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« Reply #1211 on: April 11, 2024, 10:54:46 AM »
« Edited: April 11, 2024, 11:01:07 AM by Open Source Intelligence »


There was a pollster on the Hacks on Tap podcast weeks ago that was doing focus groups of "Clinton/Obama black voters that were backing Trump" or something like that. She said among the men especially a lot of them liked RFK Jr. to some degree, but a President projecting strength was on the whole important to this group and due to the voice one guy in particular said he could never vote for RFK Jr. because due to his voice he can't project strength.

It's on its surface ridiculous, yet at the same time that is one of the personal touches of leadership that do matter and you see all the time in real life.
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« Reply #1212 on: April 11, 2024, 03:45:09 PM »

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/112253713590367141

Worth watching the video. Trump blatantly trying to pump up RFK Jr.
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« Reply #1213 on: April 11, 2024, 04:21:19 PM »

Doesn't he realize this could have the opposite effect?
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« Reply #1214 on: April 11, 2024, 04:39:11 PM »

Wonder how much Trump’s paying RFK to run as a spoiler.
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« Reply #1215 on: April 11, 2024, 04:45:44 PM »

Wonder how much Trump’s paying RFK to run as a spoiler.

Trump paying someone?  Implausible.
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« Reply #1216 on: April 11, 2024, 04:47:41 PM »
« Edited: April 11, 2024, 04:51:28 PM by xavier110 »

The reason why the activist class are among the worst people alive and so pervasive among the left is honestly because a lot of them aren’t that left wing to begin with. Humility, empathy, and understanding are some of the rarest traits in the human race and it is just as rare on the left. Inherently this is why the Bolsheviks didn’t sweep the race in the 1917 election, and why nonsense trying to rehabilitate the Narodniks and popular socialists are always wrong. So many people live in a bubble.

The rehash of the past has haunted the Left through a new 80s movement, Democrats are haunted by the specter of the Kennedy clan, and republicans have wholly not just swallowed the worst of the 80s but also the worst the democrats had to offer in the 80s.



Most activist groups fall into two camps: (1) liberal arts trust fund babies without any understanding of the world, since they’re the only folks who have the time and resources to focus on fixing perceived injustices or (2) astroturfed/infiltrated groups designed to promote inflammatory rhetoric/make left-wing positions look bad

There’s also a strain of (3) narcissists/people attracted to activism as a way of self-promotion, an inversion of (1) typically found among lower/middle class folks who see it as a way to eventually grift, become an influencer and make a living, an extension of the DEI gravy train.
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« Reply #1217 on: April 14, 2024, 09:11:33 AM »

RFK Jr. says he has ruled out Libertarian run for president

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/robert-kennedy-jr-ruled-libertarian-run-president/story?id=109208097

In which RFK makes it clear that he was willing to simply use the Libertarians just to get on the ballot, even though he's not an actual Libertarian or prescribes to their value set.
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« Reply #1218 on: April 15, 2024, 02:24:30 PM »

Kennedy claims to have made the ballot in IA in one day. Signature requirement is 3,500. But there is a route to ballot access by getting 500 people (at least 1 person from 25 different counties) to appear at some assembly. They all have to sign an attestation that they were present

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« Reply #1219 on: April 15, 2024, 04:17:04 PM »

RFK Jr. says he has ruled out Libertarian run for president

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/robert-kennedy-jr-ruled-libertarian-run-president/story?id=109208097

In which RFK makes it clear that he was willing to simply use the Libertarians just to get on the ballot, even though he's not an actual Libertarian or prescribes to their value set.

Politicians have no guiding principles. News at 11.
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« Reply #1220 on: April 16, 2024, 07:25:20 PM »

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« Reply #1221 on: April 16, 2024, 09:02:14 PM »

I keep telling everyone that RFK's campaign puts out anti-vaxx nonsense on a daily basis, and the #RFKtruthers just ignore it and insist that it's not really true and no one will care. They are just desperate for RFK to somehow cost Biden this election.
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« Reply #1222 on: April 16, 2024, 10:52:32 PM »

Soooooo many Biden voters are jumping ship to vote for this guys, it's over for Biden bros, time to pack it up.
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« Reply #1223 on: April 16, 2024, 11:05:39 PM »

I know in CA they somehow think Garvey is gonna save the R party and he is down 61/37% Third parties don't win they play spoilers and Garvey played spoiler to Katie Porter in AZ RFK is playing spoiler to Biden because it's 48/44/12
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« Reply #1224 on: April 17, 2024, 05:38:38 AM »
« Edited: April 17, 2024, 05:49:15 AM by Redban »

Soooooo many Biden voters are jumping ship to vote for this guys, it's over for Biden bros, time to pack it up.

The Biden voters will be drawn to his environmentalism, support for reparations, and support for criminal justice + prison reform

It’s on RFK’s site. His plan is to put aside federal money to give to black communities to help make up for years of racism: that  plan is reparations. Liberals will jump all over that plan

When all Biden supporters can do is try to frame RFK Jr as a one-issue candidate (scream vaccines until the end of time), then you know they are panicking
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