Were the Capitol Riots comparable to 9/11?
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« on: January 17, 2021, 03:49:11 PM »

Liberals are quoting this take a lot.
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« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2021, 03:55:26 PM »

In emotional shock, staggering lapses in security, and collapsing the idea that we are safe and that "it" can't happen here? Yes.

In death toll, no.
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« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2021, 05:31:40 PM »

Nope, considering that 30% of our nation supported it
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« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2021, 10:02:28 PM »

In emotional shock, staggering lapses in security, and collapsing the idea that we are safe and that "it" can't happen here? Yes.

In death toll, no.
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« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2021, 10:36:22 PM »

The attack on Congresswoman Giffords was, all in all, much more shocking and violent than the Capitol riot 
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« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2021, 11:11:23 PM »
« Edited: January 18, 2021, 11:14:44 PM by HisGrace »

Absolutely not, say no to drugs guys.

This is like 9/11 if someone had made an attempt at blowing up the WTC that was easily stopped by law enforcement and had no chance of success. Obviously still bad and the perpetrator should be held responsible even though they failed, but still way better than actual 9/11.
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« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2021, 12:33:12 PM »

Absolutely not, say no to drugs guys.

This is like 9/11 if someone had made an attempt at blowing up the WTC that was easily stopped by law enforcement and had no chance of success. Obviously still bad and the perpetrator should be held responsible even though they failed, but still way better than actual 9/11.
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« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2021, 06:19:27 AM »

This is exactly why Ds will fail, they have an excellent Criminal Incitment case but not an Impeachment issue, no death but 5 people
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« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2021, 04:14:14 PM »

No...but we should weaponize it and portray it as such anyways.
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« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2021, 12:53:53 AM »

Listening to the dispatches reminded me of listening to the Fire Department dispatches from 911. The desperation, the urgency and sense of danger against a context of knowing how it ends. Obviously 911 was far more devastating in its impacts directly and afterwards, but it isn't about a contest of body counts, more so the sense terror, fear and dread.
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« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2021, 08:13:04 PM »

9/11 changed major political winds. So far, the Capitol protests/putsch have primarily encouraged political actors to double down on their prior positions. The leaders are free men, polarisation remains firm, the security apparatus continues to grow and lawmakers are increasingly insulated from a people they find harder to understand.
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« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2021, 06:42:35 PM »

9/11 changed major political winds. So far, the Capitol protests/putsch have primarily encouraged political actors to double down on their prior positions. The leaders are free men, polarisation remains firm, the security apparatus continues to grow and lawmakers are increasingly insulated from a people they find harder to understand.

The impact is not going to be as far reaching at least in the short term.
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« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2021, 07:21:43 PM »

Jan. 6th was tragic, but 'til it's revealed that Jan. 6th actually saw 3K deaths & it results in multiple military campaigns, it was obviously no 9/11.
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« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2021, 10:42:23 PM »

No, during 9/11, far more lives were lost and there was much mo0re physical damage. The damage done by these capitol riots was largely escalating political instability.
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« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2021, 11:11:55 PM »

Of course not in death toll and likely the consequences. The shock factor is almost certainly less, democratic institutions had been undermined for years and people knew something like this could happen. I doubt ordinary Americans had the same awareness that an Al-Qaeda terrorist attack could happen before 9/11.
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« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2021, 05:24:56 PM »

Not really but it was a fun narrative to shame republicans after they claimed they were for “law and order” lmao
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« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2021, 07:29:24 PM »
« Edited: May 07, 2021, 07:33:41 PM by Archaeo-Statism »

Why wouldn't national-populists' political opponents wave the bloody shirt as long as they could? This is gold for Democrat campaign rhetoric. The storming itself was no 9/11, and could have been shut down without incident had there not been sympathizers in the government and the capitol police (the left or minorities would have been broken up by the FBI during the planning stage or gunned down at the capitol steps if they somehow got that far), but the symbolism is huge. I expect to hear a lot about the first attack on the capitol since the War of 1812 over the next few election seasons, and like how perceptions of weakness in foreign policy hurt the Democrats post-9/11, this will keep a lot of non-populist conservatives away from the GOP for years to come. You could say it was the next 9/11 if that's defined as an event that's emphasized for partisan gain. Also like 9/11, no one will take away the right lessons. The same blind nationalism that caused the storming will probably be directed outward by Democrats for a new war in a few years, and used to shut down dissent.
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« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2021, 07:13:31 PM »

I voted yes.  While the Capitol Riots obviously were in no way comparable to 9/11 in terms of lives lost and physical destruction, they represented a greater threat to the continued existence of the United States as we know it than 9/11 did. 
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« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2021, 10:07:38 PM »

No.  It was a failed coup by a bunch of right-wing riff raff.  It did lead to people dying so it has to be taken very, very seriously, and politically, it was a turning point in this country's breakdown, and a lesson in getting too close to fascism.

9/11 was a day from the pit of hell, literally Satan himself was coming at us.  Everyone remembers where they were that day.  I don't even remember the exact date of the insurrection.
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« Reply #20 on: August 27, 2021, 11:01:28 PM »

It was a failed coup by a bunch of right-wing riff raff. 

Given that this is the United States we're talking about, I would say a "failed coup" is serious enough to make it comparable to 9/11.  Not in deaths and physical destruction, of course, but they are not the only measures of seriousness. 
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« Reply #21 on: August 31, 2021, 10:54:41 PM »

No, because they weren't as successful.  But the Trump mob were just as much terrorists.
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« Reply #22 on: September 01, 2021, 08:04:15 PM »

No...but we should weaponize it and portray it as such anyways.

PLEASE tell me you were joking. And the three people who recommended it, please tell me you were joking too.

In terms of this thread, these answers adequately express my views.
Nope, considering that 30% of our nation supported it
Jan. 6th was tragic, but 'til it's revealed that Jan. 6th actually saw 3K deaths & it results in multiple military campaigns, it was obviously no 9/11.
No, during 9/11, far more lives were lost and there was much more physical damage. The damage done by these capitol riots was largely escalating political instability.
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« Reply #23 on: September 01, 2021, 08:33:59 PM »

No...but we should weaponize it and portray it as such anyways.

PLEASE tell me you were joking. And the three people who recommended it, please tell me you were joking too.

In terms of this thread, these answers adequately express my views.
Nope, considering that 30% of our nation supported it
Jan. 6th was tragic, but 'til it's revealed that Jan. 6th actually saw 3K deaths & it results in multiple military campaigns, it was obviously no 9/11.
No, during 9/11, far more lives were lost and there was much more physical damage. The damage done by these capitol riots was largely escalating political instability.
Why would I be joking?
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« Reply #24 on: September 01, 2021, 11:14:51 PM »

No...but we should weaponize it and portray it as such anyways.
You are giving the game away
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