Would Pete Buttigieg would beaten Trump?

[Chips]

Probably not.

[Mr.Bakari-Sellers]

As I stated before Buttigieg did very well in IA and we could of done better in Iowa, if he was Veep, but Harris is now Veep and that is past.

The Iowa GOP called Harris a socialist

[iceman]

NO! A very overhyped and overrated individual.

[dw93]

Pete Buttigieg Elizabeth Warren Mike Bloomberg was possibly the weakest possible candidate who could have been run against Trump. Trump could have died of Covid in October and still easily beaten that clown

FTFY

Fixed Correctly. That said, Warren would've fared better than Pete.

[sotech117]

This is a hard one. I think he probably would've faired better than Joe Biden, but I don't think Trump lost because of the other candidate. I think COVID, mail-in voting, and media made any DEM candidate win.

[Adjective-Statement]

Yes, as would any major Democrat except maybe Warren. Around this time last year, he was actually the candidate of choice for all the Democrats and Never Trump Republicans I know across several Sun Belt states. His path would have been the exact same as Biden's in the general, I think.

[MRS. MEE SUM CHU]

Yes, as would any major Democrat except maybe Warren. Around this time last year, he was actually the candidate of choice for all the Democrats and Never Trump Republicans I know across several Sun Belt states. His path would have been the exact same as Biden's in the general, I think.

Who were those people demographically (age, educational attainment, occupation, etc.)? I really don't think he would've done better with nonwhite voters than Warren would've- I just can't see older, more socially conservative voters of color supporting a younger, upscale, white gay man against other D candidates or against 45.

[Adjective-Statement]

Yes, as would any major Democrat except maybe Warren. Around this time last year, he was actually the candidate of choice for all the Democrats and Never Trump Republicans I know across several Sun Belt states. His path would have been the exact same as Biden's in the general, I think.

Who were those people demographically (age, educational attainment, occupation, etc.)? I really don't think he would've done better with nonwhite voters than Warren would've- I just can't see older, more socially conservative voters of color supporting a younger, upscale, white gay man against other D candidates or against 45.

A mix of young adult and older whites and Hispanics (Mexican-Americans and Puerto Ricans). And Warren is firmly associated with the image of an upscale progressive coastal elitist culture warrior, so if identity would somehow disqualify Buttigieg among older minorities (it wouldn't), she would do even worse. I can't really speak for other minorities, but Hispanics wouldn't turn against Buttigieg more than they already did Biden (IMO, a general protest against the establishment previously indicated by their strong showing for Sanders in the primaries).

I don't really know what you're getting at there. Quite a few older Mexican-Americans have colorful opinions on black people and that didn't disqualify Obama. What would Trump be offering them, and how exactly would Buttigieg change the policies that appealed to them before?

[MRS. MEE SUM CHU]

I don't really know what you're getting at there. Quite a few older Mexican-Americans have colorful opinions on black people and that didn't disqualify Obama. What would Trump be offering them, and how exactly would Buttigieg change the policies that appealed to them before?

Latent/cultural homophobia, although I don't think this would be that big of a factor in the Dem primaries, and might be negated by Buttigieg's religious left shtick in both the primaries and the GE.

Honestly you could ask that of every other non-Biden Dem in the primaries. I think Trump turned out people who didn't vote in 2016 more than Trump got people who used to vote D to switch in 2020.

[Adjective-Statement]

I don't really know what you're getting at there. Quite a few older Mexican-Americans have colorful opinions on black people and that didn't disqualify Obama. What would Trump be offering them, and how exactly would Buttigieg change the policies that appealed to them before?

Latent/cultural homophobia, although I don't think this would be that big of a factor in the Dem primaries, and might be negated by Buttigieg's religious left shtick in both the primaries and the GE.

Honestly you could ask that of every other non-Biden Dem in the primaries. I think Trump turned out people who didn't vote in 2016 more than Trump got people who used to vote D to switch in 2020.

Well, Buttigieg isn't exactly flamboyant. He's a really boring, cookie-cutter guy. He's not associated with gay subculture to an extent that would upset a casual homophobe.

[Motorcity]

I don't really know what you're getting at there. Quite a few older Mexican-Americans have colorful opinions on black people and that didn't disqualify Obama. What would Trump be offering them, and how exactly would Buttigieg change the policies that appealed to them before?

Latent/cultural homophobia, although I don't think this would be that big of a factor in the Dem primaries, and might be negated by Buttigieg's religious left shtick in both the primaries and the GE.

Honestly you could ask that of every other non-Biden Dem in the primaries. I think Trump turned out people who didn't vote in 2016 more than Trump got people who used to vote D to switch in 2020.

Well, Buttigieg isn't exactly flamboyant. He's a really boring, cookie-cutter guy. He's not associated with gay subculture to an extent that would upset a casual homophobe.

Nah, Buttigieg would have lost by a landslide. The United States was not going to elect a gay man president. Even if he was boring and didn't bring out rage in a casual homophobe, a homophobe is still not going to vote for him

I'm a school teacher in a nice suburban school. Homophobia is still a big thing.

[Adjective-Statement]

I don't really know what you're getting at there. Quite a few older Mexican-Americans have colorful opinions on black people and that didn't disqualify Obama. What would Trump be offering them, and how exactly would Buttigieg change the policies that appealed to them before?

Latent/cultural homophobia, although I don't think this would be that big of a factor in the Dem primaries, and might be negated by Buttigieg's religious left shtick in both the primaries and the GE.

Honestly you could ask that of every other non-Biden Dem in the primaries. I think Trump turned out people who didn't vote in 2016 more than Trump got people who used to vote D to switch in 2020.

Well, Buttigieg isn't exactly flamboyant. He's a really boring, cookie-cutter guy. He's not associated with gay subculture to an extent that would upset a casual homophobe.

Nah, Buttigieg would have lost by a landslide. The United States was not going to elect a gay man president. Even if he was boring and didn't bring out rage in a casual homophobe, a homophobe is still not going to vote for him

I'm a school teacher in a nice suburban school. Homophobia is still a big thing.

I'm doing my student teaching in a nice suburban school and I think your facts are a decade out of date, especially among young people.

[Motorcity]

I don't really know what you're getting at there. Quite a few older Mexican-Americans have colorful opinions on black people and that didn't disqualify Obama. What would Trump be offering them, and how exactly would Buttigieg change the policies that appealed to them before?

Latent/cultural homophobia, although I don't think this would be that big of a factor in the Dem primaries, and might be negated by Buttigieg's religious left shtick in both the primaries and the GE.

Honestly you could ask that of every other non-Biden Dem in the primaries. I think Trump turned out people who didn't vote in 2016 more than Trump got people who used to vote D to switch in 2020.

Well, Buttigieg isn't exactly flamboyant. He's a really boring, cookie-cutter guy. He's not associated with gay subculture to an extent that would upset a casual homophobe.

Nah, Buttigieg would have lost by a landslide. The United States was not going to elect a gay man president. Even if he was boring and didn't bring out rage in a casual homophobe, a homophobe is still not going to vote for him

I'm a school teacher in a nice suburban school. Homophobia is still a big thing.

I'm doing my student teaching in a nice suburban school and I think your facts are a decade out of date, especially among young people.

I'm not talking about young people, I'm talking about their parents

There is a reason Buttgieg went no where in the primaries

[Adjective-Statement]

I'm not talking about young people, I'm talking about their parents

There is a reason Buttgieg went no where in the primaries

Yes, because his lane was taken by Biden.

An overwhelming majority of Americans, even boomers (who wouldn't be your students' parents anyway), have accepted gay rights, the very worst in a reluctant or patronizing kind of way. Their energies are now being spent opposing trans people.

[Motorcity]

I'm not talking about young people, I'm talking about their parents

There is a reason Buttgieg went no where in the primaries

Yes, because his lane was taken by Biden.

An overwhelming majority of Americans, even boomers (who wouldn't be your students' parents anyway), have accepted gay rights, the very worst in a reluctant or patronizing kind of way. Their energies are now being spent opposing trans people.

So, Buttigieg being gay didn't hurt him at in the primary?

And it wouldn't hurt him in the general?

Beacause I doubt it, considering how close WI and GA were

[Adjective-Statement]

I'm not talking about young people, I'm talking about their parents

There is a reason Buttgieg went no where in the primaries

Yes, because his lane was taken by Biden.

An overwhelming majority of Americans, even boomers (who wouldn't be your students' parents anyway), have accepted gay rights, the very worst in a reluctant or patronizing kind of way. Their energies are now being spent opposing trans people.

So, Buttigieg being gay didn't hurt him at in the primary?

And it wouldn't hurt him in the general?

Beacause I doubt it, considering how close WI and GA were

Not among the suburbanites that propelled Biden to victory, no, and I just explained why. I seriously doubt a bland gay man would be a dealbreaker in the country that just elected a similarly awkward black man in a landslide and an outlandish spray-tanned reality TV star.

[Motorcity]

I'm not talking about young people, I'm talking about their parents

There is a reason Buttgieg went no where in the primaries

Yes, because his lane was taken by Biden.

An overwhelming majority of Americans, even boomers (who wouldn't be your students' parents anyway), have accepted gay rights, the very worst in a reluctant or patronizing kind of way. Their energies are now being spent opposing trans people.

So, Buttigieg being gay didn't hurt him at in the primary?

And it wouldn't hurt him in the general?

Beacause I doubt it, considering how close WI and GA were

Not among the suburbanites that propelled Biden to victory, no, and I just explained why. I seriously doubt a bland gay man would be a dealbreaker in the country that just elected a similarly awkward black man in a landslide and an outlandish spray-tanned reality TV star.

Biden only won GA by 10k. He won AZ and WI by 20K each.

I would be willing to bet that there were 50k Biden voters who were homophobic. In GA alone there would have been some in the black community who would not vote for Buttigieg and probably the same in Milwaukee.

Obama was awkward? He was the opposite of awkward, he was very well spoken and charismatic. He was perfect for the camera even if he personally did not enjoy the attention/

Please lets not turn this into a thread on Trump and the media

Point it, Buttigieg would have lost. Just about everyone on this forum agreess that Biden was the only who could have won. And yes, him being a gay dude from Indiana would have hurt (to quote an actually quote Pete himself said )

[Adjective-Statement]

I'm not talking about young people, I'm talking about their parents

There is a reason Buttgieg went no where in the primaries

Yes, because his lane was taken by Biden.

An overwhelming majority of Americans, even boomers (who wouldn't be your students' parents anyway), have accepted gay rights, the very worst in a reluctant or patronizing kind of way. Their energies are now being spent opposing trans people.

So, Buttigieg being gay didn't hurt him at in the primary?

And it wouldn't hurt him in the general?

Beacause I doubt it, considering how close WI and GA were

Not among the suburbanites that propelled Biden to victory, no, and I just explained why. I seriously doubt a bland gay man would be a dealbreaker in the country that just elected a similarly awkward black man in a landslide and an outlandish spray-tanned reality TV star.

Biden only won GA by 10k. He won AZ and WI by 20K each.

I would be willing to bet that there were 50k Biden voters who were homophobic. In GA alone there would have been some in the black community who would not vote for Buttigieg and probably the same in Milwaukee.

Obama was awkward? He was the opposite of awkward, he was very well spoken and charismatic. He was perfect for the camera even if he personally did not enjoy the attention/

Please lets not turn this into a thread on Trump and the media

Point it, Buttigieg would have lost. Just about everyone on this forum agreess that Biden was the only who could have won. And yes, him being a gay dude from Indiana would have hurt (to quote an actually quote Pete himself said )

Your opinions aren't facts. I don't really know where you pulled this magic 50,000 number from, and I'm kinda disappointed to see an educator dropping a bandwagon fallacy at the end there. Here's a source indicating that Biden's coalition would have no problem with Buttigieg for his homosexuality: https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/22/us/same-sex-marriage-support-increases-trnd/index.html

[Motorcity]

I'm not talking about young people, I'm talking about their parents

There is a reason Buttgieg went no where in the primaries

Yes, because his lane was taken by Biden.

An overwhelming majority of Americans, even boomers (who wouldn't be your students' parents anyway), have accepted gay rights, the very worst in a reluctant or patronizing kind of way. Their energies are now being spent opposing trans people.

So, Buttigieg being gay didn't hurt him at in the primary?

And it wouldn't hurt him in the general?

Beacause I doubt it, considering how close WI and GA were

Not among the suburbanites that propelled Biden to victory, no, and I just explained why. I seriously doubt a bland gay man would be a dealbreaker in the country that just elected a similarly awkward black man in a landslide and an outlandish spray-tanned reality TV star.

Biden only won GA by 10k. He won AZ and WI by 20K each.

I would be willing to bet that there were 50k Biden voters who were homophobic. In GA alone there would have been some in the black community who would not vote for Buttigieg and probably the same in Milwaukee.

Obama was awkward? He was the opposite of awkward, he was very well spoken and charismatic. He was perfect for the camera even if he personally did not enjoy the attention/

Please lets not turn this into a thread on Trump and the media

Point it, Buttigieg would have lost. Just about everyone on this forum agreess that Biden was the only who could have won. And yes, him being a gay dude from Indiana would have hurt (to quote an actually quote Pete himself said )

Your opinions aren't facts. I don't really know where you pulled this magic 50,000 number from, and I'm kinda disappointed to see an educator dropping a bandwagon fallacy at the end there. Here's a source indicating that Biden's coalition would have no problem with Buttigieg for his homosexuality: https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/22/us/same-sex-marriage-support-increases-trnd/index.html

1. Do you think Buttigieg would have won?
2. Do you think Buttigieg would have done better or worst than Biden?
3. Was his Buttigieg's sexuality ever a liability in the primary?
4. Would his sexuality have been an liability in the general?

[Skill and Chance]

Judging by how close the election was in this environment, I think the list of Democrats other than Biden who would have beaten Trump is quite short.  I see no reason to think a small city mayor would be on it.  Probably a few low key moderate left governors/senators and that's it.   

[Adjective-Statement]

1. Do you think Buttigieg would have won?
2. Do you think Buttigieg would have done better or worst than Biden?
3. Was his Buttigieg's sexuality ever a liability in the primary?
4. Would his sexuality have been an liability in the general?

I already answered those questions and you should reread my posts if you've forgotten my positions. Not sure what you're trying to accomplish here except going around in circles until I've gotten off the ride, but I'll do it for you. Let me know when you can verify your claims.

[rosin]

No, and a Bernie candidacy would have been best in hindsight.

It really wouldn't have been. Trump and the RNC war machine would have had a field day with him.

I don't really see how it would've been any different than with Biden, considering that they went full-on Red Scare mode regardless. We're at a "the boy who cried wolf" point when it comes to the GOP yelling about socialism/communism.

Only Floridians and partisans believed it, the attacks on Biden fell flat and his favorability rose through the general election. The attacks against the far-left would have been infinitely more credible and effective against Bernie, and given how close the election was Trump would have been seen as the lesser evil by enough voters to win (and maybe some suburban voters who hated Trump go third party as it's too much of a leap to have Bernie be the Democrat they break their partisanship for).

Also, since Bernie several times has described himself as a "Democratic Socialist", he might be more vulnerable to the GOP's scare tactics.

[Motorcity]

1. Do you think Buttigieg would have won?
2. Do you think Buttigieg would have done better or worst than Biden?
3. Was his Buttigieg's sexuality ever a liability in the primary?
4. Would his sexuality have been an liability in the general?

I already answered those questions and you should reread my posts if you've forgotten my positions. Not sure what you're trying to accomplish here except going around in circles until I've gotten off the ride, but I'll do it for you. Let me know when you can verify your claims.

You never explicitly answered these questions. I would appreciate it if you clarified your thoughts by these four question

[Mr.Bakari-Sellers]

Harris was weak in Iowa and Buttigieg was strong in Iowa, and we needed Ernst seat to have a 51/49 Senate, instead we got a tied Senate and a power sharing agreement.  Harris was overdose as a Veep candidate.

But, she has to grow into the job of Veep, the last Veep to make a difference was Al Gore. Biden, Cheney and Pence didn't do much

[Progressive Pessimist]

I believe that he would have done about as well as Biden with educated white suburbanites but done worse with minority voters. In examining Biden's victory, a drop in support from any demographic would have caused him to lose, so that would probably be Buttigieg's fate. Obviously he still would have won the popular vote though.