Trump support among immigrant groups

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One thing that struck me among the footage out of Washington was the diversity of flags of foreign countries.

The most common flag was of the Republic of Vietnam. Other flags included: Pahlavi Iran, Israel, Cambodia, South Korea, and even Canada and Australia.

A big part of my Twitter doomscrolling was through Chinese-language diaspora media. With some notable exceptions, it overwhelmingly parrots the far-right echo chamber. I first hear of the right-wing conspiracy theories through them.

The audience for this are overwhelmingly first-generation Chinese-Americans who are not very proficient in English and who rely on their native language's media for their news, and who have socially conservative, "pro-business" views. Unfortunately, escaping the dictatorship of the CCP didn't free them from the psychological need to have a "tough guy" in charge. They have a burning hatred for the CCP, and are ecstatic at the Trump Administration's (fake) toughness on China. From my personal experience, the second-generation Chinese-Americans are extremely woke and inhabit a completely different worldview.

There was one poll that found that first-generation Asian Americans voted for Biden by 60-40, but second-generation ones voted for Biden by almost 85-15.

What sort of cultural and generational dynamics exist in other immigrant groups? Do immigrant groups from other dictatorships also suffer from a mindset requiring a "tough guy"? What about dynamics between immigrants and their children?

Here's the famous ad that turned Florida redder:

[Beet]

First generation immigrants vote in reaction to politics in their country of origin.

Second generation immigrants vote in reaction to politics in the US.

[Kamala's side hoe]

I think birth cohort and age of immigration are more predictive of Asian immigrants' political views than educational attainment or English fluency level. Educational attainment and family socioeconomic status are probably more predictive after adjusting for the first two factors.

https://www.quora.com/q/taiwanpolitics/Where-did-Taiwanese-Americans-stand-between-Trump-and-Biden

To understand how Taiwanese Americans thought about the election, VOA interviewed 13 Taiwanese Americans who were eligible to vote in the election (there are [supposedly] over 900,000 people in the US of Taiwanese origin). VOA says the people they interviewed lived across the United States, but it’s unclear how or whether the interviewees were randomly selected.

Based on this sample, VOA found that 54% (7 out of 13) favored Trump and 23% (3 out of 13) favored Biden. The remaining 23% said they were unsure or that they didn’t want to vote.

在这13名台裔美国公民中，支持或倾向支持特朗普的共有7人，占全部受访者54%；支持拜登者共有3人，占全部受访者23%；尚未决定投谁的共3位，其中1位已表示不会投票，占全部受访者23%。

I recall that the same proportion of people polled in Taiwan (50%-60%) preferred Trump over Biden, but again, I am not taking this poll at face value because the sample size is ridiculously small. But still, it is the only survey I know of that focuses on Taiwanese American voters.

Voice of America (pro-Trump agency) polled 13 randomly selected Taiwanese Americans on the 2020 election. They found that 7 supported Trump, 3 supported Biden, and 3 were unsure or didn't plan to vote. I'm guessing Taiwanese Americans are somewhat more D than the Chinese American electorate at large, but this is entirely based on Taiwan's liberal reputation compared to the rest of Eastern Asia and my personal interactions with US-born Taiwanese Americans.

[Samof94]

So, no Cuba or 7 star Venezuela? Vietnam makes sense.

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So, no Cuba or 7 star Venezuela? Vietnam makes sense.

There were Cubans and Venezuelans in that Trump riot as well.

[Kamala's side hoe]

Thought this was relevant.

https://twitter.com/BeeForGeorgia/status/1348691990720950274

[vitoNova]

lol South Korea.  And any East Asian who supports Trump. 

Considering the alt-right making lovey-dovey googly-eyes across the ocean at Kim Jong Un.   A love affair which DID NOT begin with DJT. 

But which precisely began on December 24, 2014:  the day that the film The Interview was released.  Which the NK regime blamed on Obama and Hollyweird.  And the alt-right picking up on this, and going with the classic "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" routine. 

House Slave tales. 

[Motorcity]

I did see white folk with flags of other countries at the capital. The "international aesthetic" is popular with these folks.

I've seen racists who served in Iraq have the Iraqi and Afghstan flag on their uniforms.

[Kamala's side hoe]

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/katejohnston2/vietnamese-american-youtube-misinformation-covid-vaccine

I know this is Buzzfeed News, but this piece touches on a legit ssue of disinformation among non-English voters. There's a difference between voting R because of anti-communism/anti-socialism or concrete policy proposals, versus voting R based on blatantly false claims about vaccines or cults of personality.

Organizers with Viet Fact Check have directly spoken with YouTube staff members about videos that violate YouTube’s policies in the past and have offered to help find translation services for foreign language videos.

“The perception I get from them is that they don’t consider non-English content to be a problem,” Dede Tran said.

Duong said she wants to see Facebook and Youtube create dedicated Vietnamese-language teams to moderate misinformation, and stressed that moderation shouldn’t focus solely on individual videos because the channels often broadcast lengthy livestreams. She thinks the teams should be populated by people who actually understand the issues and the ways YouTubers have tried to avoid having their content flagged by using code words.

In videos posted on the platforms, Trump is called “Dr. Love,” “Dr. 45,” or “Yellow Hair” (Tóc vàng); Nancy Pelosi is “Mrs. Gay” (Bà Bê đê); COVID-19 is “the Wuhan flu” (cúm tàu).

Nick Nguyen, Viet Fact Check’s research leader, told BuzzFeed News that he’s spoken to YouTube employees who say they’re aware of the widespread misinformation spoken in Vietnamese on the platform.

“The only people in power to solve it are deliberately ignoring it,” Nguyen said. “The rank-and-file employees would love to solve the problem, but at the end of the day, they can’t make a business case for it.”

In an email exchange between Nguyen and a YouTube representative viewed by BuzzFeed News, the employee declined to partner with Viet Fact Check on flagging misinformation, but said they would pass along the feedback to the company. Nguyen never heard from them again.

Unless YouTube steps in, organizers said moderating and countering the content must happen on an interpersonal level.

Bui believes the younger generation will play a significant role in changing the older generations' minds, both on a personal level and by facilitating larger community initiatives. She thinks the most difficult part of that process, though, will be convincing their parents that these efforts come from a place of gratitude and love, not disrespect.

“It’s up to the younger generation to say, Hey, you risked so much to come here so I could have freedom, opportunities, and education,” Bui said. “Now, let me tell you about the education that you have granted me.” ●

[Kamala's side hoe]

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/24/republicans-asian-american-voters-506778

GOP confronts big trouble in Little Saigon
The Republican Party is struggling to win over Asian American voters — including Vietnamese Americans, who were once one of its most reliable constituencies.

In 2016, Hillary Clinton defeated Donald Trump by 69 percent to 25 percent among AAPI voters nationally. Trump ran ahead of that pace in 2020 but still lost by a landslide margin — 61 percent to 34 percent, according to [fake news EdIsOn] exit polls. In California, the result was even worse: Joe Biden won 3 out of every 4 Asian voters.

Even in Orange County, among the Vietnamese American voters who have long been a part of the Republican coalition, the GOP has been losing ground. After an election year in which AAPI voters turned out across the nation in record numbers, there is greater urgency than ever for the party to rethink its approach.

"The only way to grow the base of the GOP is by sticking with the core issues, running on the issues that would make the GOP an attractive party for hardworking immigrants, and not so much rally around a cult personality,” said Tyler Diep, a former Republican assemblyman from Orange County. “And I think that if the party can ever get to that state again, then it can be competitive nationwide. But if not, then I'm not sure how successful we can be as a party in the long run with the AAPI community."

Janet Nguyen points out that, unlike her own party, local Democratic Party offices have multiple full-time Vietnamese American staffers to engage with voters year-round. Republicans are also behind when it comes to investing in Vietnamese-language media. In the past, the Orange County Democratic Party has launched radio shows on Little Saigon Radio with the Vietnamese American Democratic Club, a grassroots organization that also broadcasts its own TV shows discussing key issues.

Among those who registered with a major political party, roughly 68 percent of Orange County Vietnamese American voters 50 and older were registered as Republicans on Election Day last year, according to figures from Political Data Inc., a voter data firm used by both parties in California. But more than 65 percent of those 49 and under were registered as Democrats.

Local Republicans here take some solace in the fact that, while the GOP isn’t as attractive as it once was to many Vietnamese Americans — in part because the second and third generations are more liberal and have no memory of Vietnam’s communist regime — those voters have become independents, rather than Democrats.

It’s people like Danny Zheong [possible typo?], 42, a Vietnamese immigrant who works at an herbs and cosmetics shop in Little Saigon. As his boss watches a Vietnamese Youtube video of the news while tucked behind towers of local teas and snail essence creams, Zheong says he doesn’t like talking about current events. Like many of the shop workers in the Hanoi Plaza, where South Vietnam and U.S. flags fly side-by-side, he considers himself apolitical, doesn’t identify with a party and is willing to give a chance to whichever candidate can boost the economy.

He voted for Biden last year, but it was more of a vote against Trump, Zheong said. It doesn’t mean his vote will go to the Democratic candidate next year in the midterm elections, which he hasn’t given much thought to.

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https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/katejohnston2/vietnamese-american-youtube-misinformation-covid-vaccine

I know this is Buzzfeed News, but this piece touches on a legit ssue of disinformation among non-English voters. There's a difference between voting R because of anti-communism/anti-socialism or concrete policy proposals, versus voting R based on blatantly false claims about vaccines or cults of personality.

Factually untrue—the Shahis, Cuban Emigres, and various other assortments of international kulaks and ex-plantation owners saw Reza Shah’s swagger, Batista’s outreach to them, and a common resentment of the progressive forces fighting for the workers in Donald Trump.

To be against socialism and communism is to be against humanity and for the continued besieging of the masses in the prior phase of the class war. There is absolutely no difference in spirit between the Rich’s imaginative coping through conspiracism internationally with what we see here.

[Vaccinated Russian Bear]

Unfortunately, escaping the dictatorship of the CCP didn't free them from the psychological need to have a "tough guy" in charge.

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Do immigrant groups from other dictatorships also suffer from a mindset requiring a "tough guy"?

versus voting R based on blatantly false claims about vaccines or cults of personality.

The fact that many increasingly elitist "progressives" think that immigrants (or whoever) vote for Trump because they aren't free from "the psychological need", "suffer from a mindset", are duped or just love "cults of personality" and not because they simply likes the politics, kind of explains why there is a large potential for right Trumpian candidate to get tons of votes among these groups.