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Question: Will Democrats get rid of the filibuster for statehood? do they have the votes necessary?
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« on: January 10, 2021, 08:58:52 PM »

Do Democrats have the votes or better yet have they consolidated enough support to get their moderate wing to end the filibuster?
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« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2021, 09:02:52 PM »

No, Manchin made it very clear that he isn't for that, monetary policy and Judges and Cabinet members can be put thru with 51 votes and Reconciliation, but not Statehood and immigration reform
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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2021, 09:05:08 PM »

No, Manchin made it very clear that he isn't for that, monetary policy and Judges and Cabinet members can be put thru with 51 votes and Reconciliation, but not Statehood and immigration reform
Exactly. I think Sinema has said no along with Tester as well.
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« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2021, 09:16:37 PM »

Not for legislation in general, but maybe for statehood specifically.
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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2021, 09:50:23 PM »

Yes, Democrats deserve to lose their majority if they don’t.
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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2021, 09:55:45 PM »

People are greatly overrating the ease of a 50 seat majority. Republicans couldn't even repeal Obamacare (something they had pledged to do repeatedly) with 54 seats.
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« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2021, 10:34:19 PM »

People are greatly overrating the ease of a 50 seat majority. Republicans couldn't even repeal Obamacare (something they had pledged to do repeatedly) with 54 seats.

The difference is that most Democratic bills are popular.  Republican ones aren't.  The only reason Democratic policies haven't been enacted into law is because Mitch hasn't brought them to the floor.  There are a lot of low hanging fruit bills that could easily pass in terms of voting rights, taxing the ultra rich, probably even gun control. 
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« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2021, 01:44:34 AM »

The modern Republican party has no interest in governing it only exists to oppose. Even when they control all 3 branches. And for some reason every couple of years Democrats forget that and believe that Republicans will work for them and then they don't.

So I predict Manchin, Sinema, and any other Democrats against removing the fillibuster will soon be in favor of it as soon as they get tired of the likes of Cruz, Hawley, Paul, Cotton, Lee, and the rest using it for their 15 minutes of fame.
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« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2021, 02:06:07 AM »

No, Manchin made it very clear that he isn't for that, monetary policy and Judges and Cabinet members can be put thru with 51 votes and Reconciliation, but not Statehood and immigration reform
Exactly. I think Sinema has said no along with Tester as well.
they just need persuasion from Schumer.
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« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2021, 03:12:24 AM »

Didn't Tester literally vote for the nuclear option for judicial confirmation? I think he's a yes vote at the end of the day
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« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2021, 03:15:49 AM »
« Edited: January 11, 2021, 03:19:47 AM by MR. KAYNE WEST »

The modern Republican party has no interest in governing it only exists to oppose. Even when they control all 3 branches. And for some reason every couple of years Democrats forget that and believe that Republicans will work for them and then they don't.

So I predict Manchin, Sinema, and any other Democrats against removing the fillibuster will soon be in favor of it as soon as they get tired of the likes of Cruz, Hawley, Paul, Cotton, Lee, and the rest using it for their 15 minutes of fame.


Tax policy and Cabinet and Judges can all be passed thru Reconciliation and 51 votes, they don't need to get rid of the Fillibuster as of now unless Statehood or immigration reform is passed by the House

The Rs in 2017 couldn't pass thru Reconciliation Skinney repeal of ACA, due to fact McCain, Murkowski and Collins wee against it and they didn't have enough votes, and Rs had a 52)48 Senate
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« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2021, 03:08:00 PM »

I think it will happen, eventually, if only because wasting a trifecta would be stupid
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« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2021, 03:14:28 PM »

I'm not convinced they will get rid of it outright, even though they undoubtedly should. I do think that they will at least continue to chip away it: something like eliminating it for statehood legislation, as others have proposed, even if I find these sorts of distinctions to be completely arbitrary.
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« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2021, 03:19:57 PM »

LOL
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« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2021, 03:34:54 PM »

No, but it will be weakened so that it doesn't apply to new states (among other things).
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« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2021, 03:42:01 PM »

No, but it will be weakened so that it doesn't apply to new states (among other things).
Really? Every single Democratic senator will vote for statehood? Interesting
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« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2021, 03:57:36 PM »

No, but it will be weakened so that it doesn't apply to new states (among other things).
Really? Every single Democratic senator will vote for statehood? Interesting
If the filibuster is weakened, I would think every Democrat+Murkowski+Maaaybe someone else would vote for it.
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« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2021, 04:31:33 PM »

No, but it will be weakened so that it doesn't apply to new states (among other things).
Really? Every single Democratic senator will vote for statehood? Interesting

Yep
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« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2021, 05:11:38 PM »

Statehood and immigration reform isn't happening until after the 2022 Election, when WI, PA status is determined as well as GA and NC. The Rs after the insurrection and the Twitter ban did themselves no go in helping them capture the Majority, major banks have promised to stop donations
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« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2021, 10:20:44 AM »

Chuck Schumer is not stupid.  Do you honestly think the Democrats would eliminate the filibuster knowing full well that it will come back to bite them the next time they are in the minority?
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« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2021, 10:48:04 AM »

They could very easily just change the Senate rules to remove filibusters on an issue by issue basis (e.g. for statehood votes), technically leaving it intact but effectively neutering it.
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« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2021, 12:14:43 PM »

Chuck Schumer is not stupid.  Do you honestly think the Democrats would eliminate the filibuster knowing full well that it will come back to bite them the next time they are in the minority?
If Democrats lose the senate in 2022, they should re-instate the filibuster in the lame duck.
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« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2021, 01:38:24 PM »
« Edited: January 13, 2021, 01:41:28 PM by MR. KAYNE WEST »

Chuck Schumer is not stupid.  Do you honestly think the Democrats would eliminate the filibuster knowing full well that it will come back to bite them the next time they are in the minority?


When Ds do eliminate the Filibuster, they intend on getting PR and DC Statehood, that's the whole purpose of getting rid of the Fillibuster to make the Rs a permanent minority

Once the Fillibuster is gone it's not coming back, just like the Judiciary Filibuster, it never came back.
The Filibuster was used during Jim Crow to 🛑 stop Civil Rights legislation and stop to end slavery. It took Earl Warren in Brown to end Jim Crow

The Rs used it effectively to block Abe Fortas, it's days are numbered
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« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2021, 07:43:12 PM »

Chuck Schumer is not stupid.  Do you honestly think the Democrats would eliminate the filibuster knowing full well that it will come back to bite them the next time they are in the minority?
If Democrats lose the senate in 2022, they should re-instate the filibuster in the lame duck.

No, they shouldn't. Biden can simply veto any bad GOP bills.
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« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2021, 07:49:41 PM »

As I said before once the Fillibuster ends, Statehood is enacted and it won't be coming back.

The Filibuster was used only to obstruct Civil Rights lights and Abe Fortas, but D's have to win 2022, Manchin isn't getting rid of the Fillibuster
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