Trump 2nd Impeachment News/Talk Megathread

[Alben Barkley]

Here comes the Constitution Party to take all the "crazies" who will jump ship after Trump is impeached. They should do it and he can never run again. But expect a 3rd party out of this if the voters are pissed.

How do the 2022 House elections look if a Trumpist 3rd party runs a slate of candidates?

It's worth noting that what Trump does cannot be replicated. We've seen plenty of politicians in 2018 and 2020 try and fail.

If Trump isn't on the ballot, it's not going to work.

That doesn't mean such a party couldn't still get 1-3% of the vote and manage to tank Republicans in close races.

Without Hitler Nazism is dead, without Trump MAGAism is dead. Someone like Hawley is similar on policy issues, but he isn't energetic, charismatic or frothing at the mouth enough to get the deplorables whipped into a frenzy.

Nazism is not dead.

Unfortunately that was proven all too true last week. “6 Million Wasn’t Enough.” Makes me sick. The real Nazis and Confederates never got close to our Capitol, but traitors have adopted their ideas to take them farther into the heart of our democracy than they ever got before. Despicable.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

9 managers including Swalwell & not a single Republican.  this is not a serious effort to do something that can get 67 votes in the Senate.

why don't you cry more

what the hell kind of braindead useless response is that ?   go troll somewhere else.

If you want something Republicans will support, you need Republican input.  If not, fine.  Pelosi knows how to keep her caucus together enough to get 218, but has no inclination towards doing what would be needed to get any Republican support.

Four House Republicans are already supporting impeachment. Seems like she has more inclination than you.

lolwut ?

You are spiraling, dude. Log off for a while and take a walk.

Or how about you leave me the fyck alone until you can discuss things without trying to make it a dick waving contest.

[Alben Barkley]

https://twitter.com/jmartNYT/status/1349168064051478531?s=20

Hmm, the 20 Senators open to conviction is obviously big news, but this Garland thing is interesting too. I seem to recall McConnell did something else regarding Garland before, a little late now to suddenly act like you’ve always loved the guy. Not 100% sure what he’s up to right now. Maybe it’s all part of a plan to save the GOP, maybe he really was snapped into shock by the events of last week, maybe it’s just that it’s his last term and he lost the Majority so he no longer gives any f—ks or is looking forward to his legacy.

But whatever the case, IF this new Minority Leader McConnell is now not only better than he was as Majority Leader but also how he was previously as Minority Leader... I’ll still hate the old bastard but perhaps a little less.

[Santander]

So I have a question. At what point upon A 2/3 vote to convict by the Senate does Trump officially ceased being president? Is it as soon as the Senate pro-tempore bang the gavel down and announces the vote results? Does something have to be filed and served with the clerk or something? If the latter, any idea how much time that takes?

I assume as soon as Roberts announces the results.

Chief justice Roberts?

Actress Julia Roberts, actually.

[WD]

https://twitter.com/jmartNYT/status/1349168064051478531?s=20
Hmm, the 20 Senators open to conviction is obviously big news, but this Garland thing is interesting too. I seem to recall McConnell did something else regarding Garland before, a little late now to suddenly act like you’ve always loved the guy. Not 100% sure what he’s up to right now. Maybe it’s all part of a plan to save the GOP, maybe he really was snapped into shock by the events of last week, maybe it’s just that it’s his last term and he lost the Majority so he no longer gives any f—ks or is looking forward to his legacy.

But whatever the case, IF this new Minority Leader McConnell is now not only better than he was as Majority Leader but also how he was previously as Minority Leader... I’ll still hate the old bastard but perhaps a little less.

Still not sure we can trust McConnell to have turned over a new leaf though.

[Ogre Mage]

Moscow Mitch is a vicious opportunist.  He is no doubt pissed that the Traitor Tot put his life and the lives of his caucus in grave danger.  And he is also pissed about becoming Senate Minority Leader, lol.  Of course, Moscow Mitch is complicit in these messes but we will put that aside for a moment.  When Elaine Chao resigned from the Cabinet I took it as a tacit sign they decided to cut their losses as far as this White House was concerned.  Also, Corporate America likes stability and the Traitor Tot's attempted coup is horrible instability.  Moscow Mitch has no doubt been hearing an earful from his corporate overlords.

[brucejoel99]

9 managers including Swalwell & not a single Republican.  this is not a serious effort to do something that can get 67 votes in the Senate.

why don't you cry more

what the hell kind of braindead useless response is that ?   go troll somewhere else.

If you want something Republicans will support, you need Republican input.  If not, fine.  Pelosi knows how to keep her caucus together enough to get 218, but has no inclination towards doing what would be needed to get any Republican support.

Four House Republicans are already supporting impeachment. Seems like she has more inclination than you.

lolwut ?

You are spiraling, dude. Log off for a while and take a walk.

Or how about you leave me the fyck alone until you can discuss things without trying to make it a dick waving contest.

[walleye26]

https://twitter.com/jmartNYT/status/1349168064051478531?s=20
Hmm, the 20 Senators open to conviction is obviously big news, but this Garland thing is interesting too. I seem to recall McConnell did something else regarding Garland before, a little late now to suddenly act like you’ve always loved the guy. Not 100% sure what he’s up to right now. Maybe it’s all part of a plan to save the GOP, maybe he really was snapped into shock by the events of last week, maybe it’s just that it’s his last term and he lost the Majority so he no longer gives any f—ks or is looking forward to his legacy.

But whatever the case, IF this new Minority Leader McConnell is now not only better than he was as Majority Leader but also how he was previously as Minority Leader... I’ll still hate the old bastard but perhaps a little less.

Still not sure we can trust McConnell to have turned over a new leaf though.

^You two hit my thoughts exactly. I don’t know what McConnell is up to, and I certainly don’t trust him, but this whole thing is odd. I think he probably is angry that Trump blew his majority and truly does want to purge him, but he never had enough sway until now. Or, maybe he’s just trolling. I don’t know.

[Badger]

https://twitter.com/jmartNYT/status/1349168064051478531?s=20
Hmm, the 20 Senators open to conviction is obviously big news, but this Garland thing is interesting too. I seem to recall McConnell did something else regarding Garland before, a little late now to suddenly act like you’ve always loved the guy. Not 100% sure what he’s up to right now. Maybe it’s all part of a plan to save the GOP, maybe he really was snapped into shock by the events of last week, maybe it’s just that it’s his last term and he lost the Majority so he no longer gives any f—ks or is looking forward to his legacy.

But whatever the case, IF this new Minority Leader McConnell is now not only better than he was as Majority Leader but also how he was previously as Minority Leader... I’ll still hate the old bastard but perhaps a little less.

Still not sure we can trust McConnell to have turned over a new leaf though.

^You two hit my thoughts exactly. I don’t know what McConnell is up to, and I certainly don’t trust him, but this whole thing is odd. I think he probably is angry that Trump blew his majority and truly does want to purge him, but he never had enough sway until now. Or, maybe he’s just trolling. I don’t know.

McConnell has always been the ultimate pragmatist in terms of doing anything and everything necessary to maintain and increase Republican power. But of course this involved him doing massively shady s*** such as blocking the Garland nomination and turning right around and defying his own so-called precident for the Barrett nomination, being being number one opponent in all Congress of campaign Finance reform public financing, and list goes on and on. But at the end of the day, Mitch of course realizes that Trump is not only toxic to the Republican brand, he's obviously outlived his usefulness to Mitch as well.

I suspect McConnell realizes that a senate impeachment vote is coming regardless of whether it is held before or after buying the creation, so they might as well go forward now.

[Kamala-Tim 2024]

9 managers including Swalwell & not a single Republican.  this is not a serious effort to do something that can get 67 votes in the Senate.

why don't you cry more

what the hell kind of braindead useless response is that ?   go troll somewhere else.

If you want something Republicans will support, you need Republican input.  If not, fine.  Pelosi knows how to keep her caucus together enough to get 218, but has no inclination towards doing what would be needed to get any Republican support.

Four House Republicans are already supporting impeachment. Seems like she has more inclination than you.

lolwut ?

You are spiraling, dude. Log off for a while and take a walk.

Or how about you leave me the fyck alone until you can discuss things without trying to make it a dick waving contest.

I’ll leave you alone when you stop crying about how Nancy Pelosi wasn’t nice enough to the Republicans and telling her how to do her job while open Republican support for impeachment steadily grows.

[Alben Barkley]

Local news is running with the story, noting the source claims that McConnell "hates" Trump.

https://www.lex18.com/news/national-politics/nyt-mcconnell-told-associates-he-believes-trump-committed-impeachable-offenses

Facebook comments are fun.

[Oryxslayer]

The emerging split that seems to be ready to define the GOP's period in the wilderness is whether Trump's clique should remain at the head of the party. There are almost no more Federal RINO's or anti-Trump'ers, and those that still hold those views are either too vocal to silence like Romney or silent backbenchers. Trump's laser focus on GOP dissidents forced plenty of resignations and reitrements over the past four years. The insurgent politics has won, the question is whether he should still lead it.

There are good electoral arguments for both sides. Those who want more Trump are often those raised to office during his tenure and recognize that Trump has previously gotten his voters to the polls. A good number of these legislators were raised to prominence or relevancy, even if its just local, through their commitment to Trump. Those pushing for new leadership point to Georgia and the turnout drop among Republicans. Plenty of info has emerged that a good number of GOP loyalists stayed home because they are patriots and didn't believe in his conspiracies, and another section stayed home because they didn't believe the election was legitimate. The post election debacle has only convinced this group that keeping Trump at the helm will be a danger to all involved, since he only cares about restoring his personal power.

The divide emerging is not therefore ideological, it is a question of loyalty best visible by congressional Tenure. 61/83 Republicans first elected or changed districts during Trump's time in office voted against certifying one or more of AZ or PA's electoral votes. Meanwhile those with more traditional career paths and congressional tenure are those who are loyal to Party over Trump, no matter their ideological position. Unlike the House, only about 20% of the GOP caucus entered the chamber while Trump was in office, and of course on of those is Romney. The Senate's GOP is controlled by those loyal to the Party, and the situation for the party has only gotten worse and worse since Georgia. So yes, it shouldn't surprise anyone that Mitch has the votes, cause the Senate wants Trump out so someone new can lead the Conservative movement and keep the party at the center of everything. Finding Trump guilty legally bars him from ever being more than an outside influence, which means the party will, for now, have reasserted itself.

[forza nocta]

https://twitter.com/axios/status/1349197360329461761?s=21

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

9 managers including Swalwell & not a single Republican.  this is not a serious effort to do something that can get 67 votes in the Senate.

why don't you cry more

what the hell kind of braindead useless response is that ?   go troll somewhere else.

If you want something Republicans will support, you need Republican input.  If not, fine.  Pelosi knows how to keep her caucus together enough to get 218, but has no inclination towards doing what would be needed to get any Republican support.

Four House Republicans are already supporting impeachment. Seems like she has more inclination than you.

lolwut ?

You are spiraling, dude. Log off for a while and take a walk.

Or how about you leave me the fyck alone until you can discuss things without trying to make it a dick waving contest.

I’ll leave you alone when you stop crying about how Nancy Pelosi wasn’t nice enough to the Republicans and telling her how to do her job while open Republican support for impeachment steadily grows.

Sorry I offended you by suggesting Nancy Pelosi isn't infallible. Hopefully you will recover eventually. 

[Gass3268]

https://twitter.com/axios/status/1349197360329461761?s=20

[Kamala-Tim 2024]

9 managers including Swalwell & not a single Republican.  this is not a serious effort to do something that can get 67 votes in the Senate.

why don't you cry more

what the hell kind of braindead useless response is that ?   go troll somewhere else.

If you want something Republicans will support, you need Republican input.  If not, fine.  Pelosi knows how to keep her caucus together enough to get 218, but has no inclination towards doing what would be needed to get any Republican support.

Four House Republicans are already supporting impeachment. Seems like she has more inclination than you.

lolwut ?

You are spiraling, dude. Log off for a while and take a walk.

Or how about you leave me the fyck alone until you can discuss things without trying to make it a dick waving contest.

I’ll leave you alone when you stop crying about how Nancy Pelosi wasn’t nice enough to the Republicans and telling her how to do her job while open Republican support for impeachment steadily grows.

Sorry I offended you by suggesting Nancy Pelosi isn't infallible. Hopefully you will recover eventually.  

Have fun talking to yourself about how the most bipartisan impeachment vote ever supposedly doesn’t have Republican support.

[Alben Barkley]

Conspiracy theory time: Mitch really does have cancer or something like was rumored after those photos of his hand came out. He's trying to redeem himself before he dies, like Lee Atwater and George Wallace did.

This is probably not true, but it would make for a good story.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

9 managers including Swalwell & not a single Republican.  this is not a serious effort to do something that can get 67 votes in the Senate.

why don't you cry more

what the hell kind of braindead useless response is that ?   go troll somewhere else.

If you want something Republicans will support, you need Republican input.  If not, fine.  Pelosi knows how to keep her caucus together enough to get 218, but has no inclination towards doing what would be needed to get any Republican support.

Four House Republicans are already supporting impeachment. Seems like she has more inclination than you.

lolwut ?

You are spiraling, dude. Log off for a while and take a walk.

Or how about you leave me the fyck alone until you can discuss things without trying to make it a dick waving contest.

I’ll leave you alone when you stop crying about how Nancy Pelosi wasn’t nice enough to the Republicans and telling her how to do her job while open Republican support for impeachment steadily grows.

Sorry I offended you by suggesting Nancy Pelosi isn't infallible. Hopefully you will recover eventually. 

Have fun talking to yourself about how the most bipartisan impeachment vote ever doesn’t have enough Republican support.

doesn't matter one bit if it doesn't get 67 votes in the Senate, I don't know why that is hard to understand.  And there's no evidence Pelosi is doing anything to convince any Republican to support it. This 25th amendment resolution farce certainly isn't helping with that.

[Calthrina950]

https://twitter.com/axios/status/1349197360329461761?s=20

While McConnell is certainly outraged at the attack on the Capitol and upon himself and his colleagues, it cannot be denied that more odious or partisan motivations underlie his thinking here. He has gotten from Trump what he wanted-namely, conservative judges on the federal judiciary (and three conservative justices on the Supreme Court)-and Trump's Presidency is nearly over. Moreover, he just won reelection last year. Thus, there is no loss to him now in supporting Trump's impeachment.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I would imagine Trump's words made and make a far more compelling a case for his own impeachment then anything Pelosi could say to them.

[Kamala-Tim 2024]

https://twitter.com/axios/status/1349197360329461761?s=20

While McConnell is certainly outraged at the attack on the Capitol and upon himself and his colleagues, it cannot be denied that more odious or partisan motivations underlie his thinking here. He has gotten from Trump what he wanted-namely, conservative judges on the federal judiciary (and three conservative justices on the Supreme Court)-and Trump's Presidency is nearly over. Moreover, he just won reelection last year. Thus, there is no loss to him now in supporting Trump's impeachment.

Hell, if GOP partisanship is what gets this done then I’m all for it for now.

[Alben Barkley]

https://twitter.com/axios/status/1349197360329461761?s=20

While McConnell is certainly outraged at the attack on the Capitol and upon himself and his colleagues, it cannot be denied that more odious or partisan motivations underlie his thinking here. He has gotten from Trump what he wanted-namely, conservative judges on the federal judiciary (and three conservative justices on the Supreme Court)-and Trump's Presidency is nearly over. Moreover, he just won reelection last year. Thus, there is no loss to him now in supporting Trump's impeachment.

I think most of all he's furious about losing his majority and now fundraising. Of course, his own life being at risk didn't help.

But yes, they got everything they wanted from Trump and are now fully free to throw him under the bus. Something many probably wanted to do anyway, and he just handed him the perfect excuse.

[Calthrina950]

https://twitter.com/axios/status/1349197360329461761?s=20

While McConnell is certainly outraged at the attack on the Capitol and upon himself and his colleagues, it cannot be denied that more odious or partisan motivations underlie his thinking here. He has gotten from Trump what he wanted-namely, conservative judges on the federal judiciary (and three conservative justices on the Supreme Court)-and Trump's Presidency is nearly over. Moreover, he just won reelection last year. Thus, there is no loss to him now in supporting Trump's impeachment.

I think most of all he's furious about losing his majority and now fundraising. Of course, his own life being at risk didn't help.

But yes, they got everything they wanted from Trump and are now fully free to throw him under the bus. Something many probably wanted to do anyway, and he just handed him the perfect excuse.

This also. On balance, Trump left the Republicans in a worse electoral position then they had been when he entered office, costing them control of both Houses of Congress. He's now become a liability to them, and thus must be removed. I wouldn't be surprised if McConnell and other establishment Republicans were to support disqualifying him from future federal office if he is successfully impeached and removed.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

https://twitter.com/axios/status/1349197360329461761?s=20

While McConnell is certainly outraged at the attack on the Capitol and upon himself and his colleagues, it cannot be denied that more odious or partisan motivations underlie his thinking here. He has gotten from Trump what he wanted-namely, conservative judges on the federal judiciary (and three conservative justices on the Supreme Court)-and Trump's Presidency is nearly over. Moreover, he just won reelection last year. Thus, there is no loss to him now in supporting Trump's impeachment.

I think most of all he's furious about losing his majority and now fundraising. Of course, his own life being at risk didn't help.

But yes, they got everything they wanted from Trump and are now fully free to throw him under the bus. Something many probably wanted to do anyway, and he just handed him the perfect excuse.

This also. On balance, Trump left the Republicans in a worse electoral position then they had been when he entered office, costing them control of both Houses of Congress. He's now become a liability to them, and thus must be removed. I wouldn't be surprised if McConnell and other establishment Republicans were to support disqualifying him from future federal office if he is successfully impeached and removed.

They would have to be brain dead not to at this point.

[Kamala-Tim 2024]

https://twitter.com/axios/status/1349197360329461761?s=20

While McConnell is certainly outraged at the attack on the Capitol and upon himself and his colleagues, it cannot be denied that more odious or partisan motivations underlie his thinking here. He has gotten from Trump what he wanted-namely, conservative judges on the federal judiciary (and three conservative justices on the Supreme Court)-and Trump's Presidency is nearly over. Moreover, he just won reelection last year. Thus, there is no loss to him now in supporting Trump's impeachment.

I think most of all he's furious about losing his majority and now fundraising. Of course, his own life being at risk didn't help.

But yes, they got everything they wanted from Trump and are now fully free to throw him under the bus. Something many probably wanted to do anyway, and he just handed him the perfect excuse.

This also. On balance, Trump left the Republicans in a worse electoral position then they had been when he entered office, costing them control of both Houses of Congress. He's now become a liability to them, and thus must be removed. I wouldn't be surprised if McConnell and other establishment Republicans were to support disqualifying him from future federal office if he is successfully impeached and removed.

There’s no way he’s not disqualified if convicted. The threshold is so much lower.