Trump 2nd Impeachment News/Talk Megathread

[Gass3268]

https://twitter.com/DanaBashCNN/status/1349177932338630658?s=20

Notable because he signed onto the censure resolution. He is also very well-respected, has been in office since 1987 and is personally close with Biden.

My guess is that some of the other folks that signed on to the censure resolution will also end up voting for Impeachment.

[Kamala-Tim 2024]

https://twitter.com/DanaBashCNN/status/1349177932338630658?s=20

Notable because he signed onto the censure resolution. He is also very well-respected, has been in office since 1987 and is personally close with Biden.

My guess is that some of the other folks that signed on to the censure resolution will also end up voting for Impeachment.

Fitzpatrick and Meijer almost definitely.

[100% pro-life no matter what]

Is there any chance this could get done by the 20th- and we'd actually see President Mike Pence for a little bit- or would this almost certainly linger into Biden's term?

[DaleCooper]

The more I think about it, if McConnell truly wants to "purge" Trump from the GOP, then I think he is going to vote to convict. If he ends up voting to acquit Trump, then I think the most likely explanation is that this story was inaccurate in the first place.

[Kamala-Tim 2024]

Is there any chance this could get done by the 20th- and we'd actually see President Mike Pence for a little bit- or would this almost certainly linger into Biden's term?

An incredibly slim chance, if the stars align and McConnell really puts an effort into convicting him.

[DaleCooper]

Is there any chance this could get done by the 20th- and we'd actually see President Mike Pence for a little bit- or would this almost certainly linger into Biden's term?

I think McConnell will want to convict (if that's true) after Trump is gone. It spares the GOP another Trump campaign and it also avoids the chaos of actually removing him.

[brucejoel99]

Is there any chance this could get done by the 20th- and we'd actually see President Mike Pence for a little bit- or would this almost certainly linger into Biden's term?

It's all up to Mitch. If he wants it done before the 20th, then it will be. If he wants it to linger into Biden's term, then it will.

[brucejoel99]

At the rate of all this newsflow, though, I wouldn't be at all surprised if McConnell puts out a statement agreeing to invoke his side of the reconvening authority once impeachment is officially official tomorrow.

[Kingpoleon]

Is there any chance this could get done by the 20th- and we'd actually see President Mike Pence for a little bit- or would this almost certainly linger into Biden's term?

The danger there is that Pence could legally issue a pardon, which Trump’s opponents desperately want to avoid.

[Obama-Biden Democrat]

Here comes the Constitution Party to take all the "crazies" who will jump ship after Trump is impeached. They should do it and he can never run again. But expect a 3rd party out of this if the voters are pissed.

How do the 2022 House elections look if a Trumpist 3rd party runs a slate of candidates?

It's worth noting that what Trump does cannot be replicated. We've seen plenty of politicians in 2018 and 2020 try and fail.

If Trump isn't on the ballot, it's not going to work.

That doesn't mean such a party couldn't still get 1-3% of the vote and manage to tank Republicans in close races.

Without Hitler Nazism is dead, without Trump MAGAism is dead. Someone like Hawley is similar on policy issues, but he isn't energetic, charismatic or frothing at the mouth enough to get the deplorables whipped into a frenzy.

[CookieDamage]

Is there any chance this could get done by the 20th- and we'd actually see President Mike Pence for a little bit- or would this almost certainly linger into Biden's term?

The danger there is that Pence could legally issue a pardon, which Trump’s opponents desperately want to avoid.

Pence ain't doing that after all this

[Kamala-Tim 2024]

Here comes the Constitution Party to take all the "crazies" who will jump ship after Trump is impeached. They should do it and he can never run again. But expect a 3rd party out of this if the voters are pissed.

How do the 2022 House elections look if a Trumpist 3rd party runs a slate of candidates?

It's worth noting that what Trump does cannot be replicated. We've seen plenty of politicians in 2018 and 2020 try and fail.

If Trump isn't on the ballot, it's not going to work.

That doesn't mean such a party couldn't still get 1-3% of the vote and manage to tank Republicans in close races.

Without Hitler Nazism is dead, without Trump MAGAism is dead. Someone like Hawley is similar on policy issues, but he isn't energetic, charismatic or frothing at the mouth enough to get the deplorables whipped into a frenzy.

Nazism is not dead.

[インターネット掲示板ユーザー Punxsutawney Phil]

https://twitter.com/DanaBashCNN/status/1349177932338630658?s=20

Notable because he signed onto the censure resolution. He is also very well-respected, has been in office since 1987 and is personally close with Biden.

My guess is that some of the other folks that signed on to the censure resolution will also end up voting for Impeachment.

Fitzpatrick and Meijer almost definitely.

Who else though?

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

9 managers including Swalwell & not a single Republican.  this is not a serious effort to do something that can get 67 votes in the Senate.

why don't you cry more

what the hell kind of useless response is that ?   go troll somewhere else.

If you want something Republicans will support, you need Republican input.  If not, fine.  Pelosi knows how to keep her caucus together enough to get 218, but has no inclination towards doing what would be needed to get any Republican support.

[Gass3268]

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1349190867442049026?s=20

[Kamala-Tim 2024]

9 managers including Swalwell & not a single Republican.  this is not a serious effort to do something that can get 67 votes in the Senate.

why don't you cry more

what the hell kind of braindead useless response is that ?   go troll somewhere else.

If you want something Republicans will support, you need Republican input.  If not, fine.  Pelosi knows how to keep her caucus together enough to get 218, but has no inclination towards doing what would be needed to get any Republican support.

Four House Republicans are already supporting impeachment. Seems like she has more inclination than you.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

9 managers including Swalwell & not a single Republican.  this is not a serious effort to do something that can get 67 votes in the Senate.

why don't you cry more

what the hell kind of braindead useless response is that ?   go troll somewhere else.

If you want something Republicans will support, you need Republican input.  If not, fine.  Pelosi knows how to keep her caucus together enough to get 218, but has no inclination towards doing what would be needed to get any Republican support.

Four House Republicans are already supporting impeachment. Seems like she has more inclination than you.

lolwut ?

[Kingpoleon]

9 managers including Swalwell & not a single Republican.  this is not a serious effort to do something that can get 67 votes in the Senate.

House Republicans(well over 60%) supported the challenge to Arizona. Less than 15% of Senate Republicans did. I assume that impeachment votes will similarly be different.

[Kamala-Tim 2024]

9 managers including Swalwell & not a single Republican.  this is not a serious effort to do something that can get 67 votes in the Senate.

why don't you cry more

what the hell kind of braindead useless response is that ?   go troll somewhere else.

If you want something Republicans will support, you need Republican input.  If not, fine.  Pelosi knows how to keep her caucus together enough to get 218, but has no inclination towards doing what would be needed to get any Republican support.

Four House Republicans are already supporting impeachment. Seems like she has more inclination than you.

lolwut ?

You are spiraling, dude. Log off for a while and take a walk.

[Badger]

So I have a question. At what point upon A 2/3 vote to convict by the Senate does Trump officially ceased being president? Is it as soon as the Senate pro-tempore bang the gavel down and announces the vote results? Does something have to be filed and served with the clerk or something? If the latter, any idea how much time that takes?

I assume as soon as Roberts announces the results.

Chief justice Roberts?

[Kamala-Tim 2024]

So I have a question. At what point upon A 2/3 vote to convict by the Senate does Trump officially ceased being president? Is it as soon as the Senate pro-tempore bang the gavel down and announces the vote results? Does something have to be filed and served with the clerk or something? If the latter, any idea how much time that takes?

I assume as soon as Roberts announces the results.

Chief justice Roberts?

Assuming the trial takes place while Trump is president, Roberts will preside. Maybe if he’s not president either. Wonder if Harris presiding vs. Roberts would change the optics, especially for Republicans.

[Badger]

So I have a question. At what point upon A 2/3 vote to convict by the Senate does Trump officially ceased being president? Is it as soon as the Senate pro-tempore bang the gavel down and announces the vote results? Does something have to be filed and served with the clerk or something? If the latter, any idea how much time that takes?

I'm interested because my greatest fear at this point is Trump will exercise a last-second opportunity to issue Mass pardons for, not just he and his family as expected - hikind I'm not so worried about those as a self pardon is constitutionally dubious at best, and besides he and his crime family are facing primarily State charges in the near future hikind - but most worrisome most or all of the capitol rioters.

I would consider Mitch McConnell an enormous Patriot and be willing to forgive much of his horrendous conduct over the past few decades if he were to somehow privately convinced Trump before the vote not to issue such pardons, as he had the votes in hand to keep him from getting convicted oh, but he issued those pardons there's no way he could keep his caucus from doing so, yada yada yada. Only for Trump to go apoplectic and probably put his foot through the TV after watching the Senate vote to convict, and realizing he blew his one chance to issue said pardons.

 It's a neat Theory, and realistically would probably rely more on Trump's unfailing arrogance and inability to think he could ever lose anything rather than McConnell actively misleading him , but the question Still Remains how much time, if any, Trump would have as president once the vote were announced. Hours? Minutes? Effective immediately?

I googled your question and came up with this. It is not from an authoritative source, but makes sense.

"What Happens If Trump Is Convicted?

"If the president is convicted, the country would enter an unprecedented situation. Trump would be automatically removed from office, and Vice President Mike Pence would become president. It's not clear how quickly the succession would happen, but the Constitution does not contemplate any gap between a Senate vote to convict and the new president assuming power. "In the case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President," the 25th Amendment says."

I really don't think it possible that Trump can be convicted by Jan 19, making the question not applicable, but it seems the impossible might just become possible, so maybe.

Thanks for checking Torie. Duly noted caveat that this is not from an authoritative Source, but it's better than anything else I found so far. It's satisfying to me as it indicates Trump would be immediately removed as president rather than having hours reading minutes to suddenly mass sign pardons.

[Blackacre]

The fact that a Cheney is being a voice of reason shocks my came-of-age-under-dubya brain to its very core

[Badger]

So I have a question. At what point upon A 2/3 vote to convict by the Senate does Trump officially ceased being president? Is it as soon as the Senate pro-tempore bang the gavel down and announces the vote results? Does something have to be filed and served with the clerk or something? If the latter, any idea how much time that takes?

I assume as soon as Roberts announces the results.

Chief justice Roberts?

Assuming the trial takes place while Trump is president, Roberts will preside. Maybe if he’s not president either. Wonder if Harris presiding vs. Roberts would change the optics, especially for Republicans.

Oh that's right. I forgot the Chief Justice presides.

[Badger]

So I have a question. At what point upon A 2/3 vote to convict by the Senate does Trump officially ceased being president? Is it as soon as the Senate pro-tempore bang the gavel down and announces the vote results? Does something have to be filed and served with the clerk or something? If the latter, any idea how much time that takes?

I assume as soon as Roberts announces the results.

Chief justice Roberts?

Assuming the trial takes place while Trump is president, Roberts will preside. Maybe if he’s not president either. Wonder if Harris presiding vs. Roberts would change the optics, especially for Republicans.

Oh that's right. I forgot the Chief Justice presides.