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« on: December 30, 2020, 12:01:50 PM »

Presidential:
- All states adopt RCV
- Party threshold to enter debates decreased to 5%
- If a party receives 5% in the last election, they get access to funding and gain automatical ballot access
- Make EV's and delegates binding
- Forbid superdelegates, PAC's and caucuses
- Ban gerrymandering

- NOVA (Fairfax, Loudoun & Prince William) merges with new DC state
- Three westernmost MD counties are transferred to WV
- Statehood for Puerto Rico
- NYC, Los Angeles and Chicago metro areas split with their state and become a new state. They all can elect 2 new senators.
- NV, UT, ID, WV, RI, NH, NM, IA all get 1 EV for each district. The remaining 2 are winner-takes-it-all. This will help stop gerrymandering because competitive districts will bring attention to these areas
- FL (South, Central, North), TX (RGV, East, Houston, Dallas, Austin/SA, North+West) and CA (SF, SD, North, South, East)  minus LA are divided into state regions for senate elections and presidential elections
- Proportional allocation for all states with more than 14 EV's. Winner-takes it all counts for 50% + 1 EV. EV's left over are allocated with D'hondt method. 10% electoral threshold. This applies to GA, NC, MI, NJ and OH with perhaps one of the newly created states: PR, DC and upstate NY
- All other states + new state regions stay winner takes it all
- 10 brand new EV's are allocated to a council of Native American tribes, to ensure indigenous rights are respected

Senate:
- 2 senators are allocated to a council of Native American tribes
- Expansion of new states: upstate NY, DC, PR + TX (6)/CA (5)/FL (3) new state regions, new cities (LA, NY, CH), which would expand the senate by 48 (+2 Natives), which would set the total number to 150.

House
- All districts are drawn by an independent organ.
- The house expands to 1000 seats, 20 are reserved for the council of Native American tribes
- Existing district number total stays the same (except for the new states)
- Other districts are allocated to states fairly, with proportional representation: 5% electoral threshold (in practice in many states higher). Parties offer lists with candidates,people can vote for a candidate and if for an example a party wins 11 seats in a state, the 11 candidates a highest number of votes of that party enter parliament
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« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2020, 12:43:14 PM »

Presidential:
- All states adopt RCV
- Party threshold to enter debates decreased to 5%
- If a party receives 5% in the last election, they get access to funding and gain automatical ballot access
- Make EV's and delegates binding
- Forbid superdelegates, PAC's and caucuses
- Ban gerrymandering

- NOVA (Fairfax, Loudoun & Prince William) merges with new DC state
- Three westernmost MD counties are transferred to WV
- Statehood for Puerto Rico
- NYC, Los Angeles and Chicago metro areas split with their state and become a new state. They all can elect 2 new senators.
- NV, UT, ID, WV, RI, NH, NM, IA all get 1 EV for each district. The remaining 2 are winner-takes-it-all. This will help stop gerrymandering because competitive districts will bring attention to these areas
- FL (South, Central, North), TX (RGV, East, Houston, Dallas, Austin/SA, North+West) and CA (SF, SD, North, South, East)  minus LA are divided into state regions for senate elections and presidential elections
- Proportional allocation for all states with more than 14 EV's. Winner-takes it all counts for 50% + 1 EV. EV's left over are allocated with D'hondt method. 10% electoral threshold. This applies to GA, NC, MI, NJ and OH with perhaps one of the newly created states: PR, DC and upstate NY
- All other states + new state regions stay winner takes it all
- 10 brand new EV's are allocated to a council of Native American tribes, to ensure indigenous rights are respected

Senate:
- 2 senators are allocated to a council of Native American tribes
- Expansion of new states: upstate NY, DC, PR + TX (6)/CA (5)/FL (3) new state regions, new cities (LA, NY, CH), which would expand the senate by 48 (+2 Natives), which would set the total number to 150.

House
- All districts are drawn by an independent organ.
- The house expands to 1000 seats, 20 are reserved for the council of Native American tribes
- Existing district number total stays the same (except for the new states)
- Other districts are allocated to states fairly, with proportional representation: 5% electoral threshold (in practice in many states higher). Parties offer lists with candidates,people can vote for a candidate and if for an example a party wins 11 seats in a state, the 11 candidates a highest number of votes of that party enter parliament

Splitting existing states requires the consent of the legislature.  Texas will never consent to be split, and California likely wouldn't either because L.A. knows it is dependent on the North for water and has the votes/legislative seats to block it.  Virginia is more interesting, because if Republicans ever win both houses of the legislature back, they would obviously support this.
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« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2020, 01:29:24 PM »

Presidential:
- All states adopt RCV
- Party threshold to enter debates decreased to 5%
- If a party receives 5% in the last election, they get access to funding and gain automatical ballot access
- Make EV's and delegates binding
- Forbid superdelegates, PAC's and caucuses
- Ban gerrymandering

- NOVA (Fairfax, Loudoun & Prince William) merges with new DC state
- Three westernmost MD counties are transferred to WV
- Statehood for Puerto Rico
- NYC, Los Angeles and Chicago metro areas split with their state and become a new state. They all can elect 2 new senators.
- NV, UT, ID, WV, RI, NH, NM, IA all get 1 EV for each district. The remaining 2 are winner-takes-it-all. This will help stop gerrymandering because competitive districts will bring attention to these areas
- FL (South, Central, North), TX (RGV, East, Houston, Dallas, Austin/SA, North+West) and CA (SF, SD, North, South, East)  minus LA are divided into state regions for senate elections and presidential elections
- Proportional allocation for all states with more than 14 EV's. Winner-takes it all counts for 50% + 1 EV. EV's left over are allocated with D'hondt method. 10% electoral threshold. This applies to GA, NC, MI, NJ and OH with perhaps one of the newly created states: PR, DC and upstate NY
- All other states + new state regions stay winner takes it all
- 10 brand new EV's are allocated to a council of Native American tribes, to ensure indigenous rights are respected

Senate:
- 2 senators are allocated to a council of Native American tribes
- Expansion of new states: upstate NY, DC, PR + TX (6)/CA (5)/FL (3) new state regions, new cities (LA, NY, CH), which would expand the senate by 48 (+2 Natives), which would set the total number to 150.

House
- All districts are drawn by an independent organ.
- The house expands to 1000 seats, 20 are reserved for the council of Native American tribes
- Existing district number total stays the same (except for the new states)
- Other districts are allocated to states fairly, with proportional representation: 5% electoral threshold (in practice in many states higher). Parties offer lists with candidates,people can vote for a candidate and if for an example a party wins 11 seats in a state, the 11 candidates a highest number of votes of that party enter parliament

Splitting existing states requires the consent of the legislature.  Texas will never consent to be split, and California likely wouldn't either because L.A. knows it is dependent on the North for water and has the votes/legislative seats to block it.  Virginia is more interesting, because if Republicans ever win both houses of the legislature back, they would obviously support this.

It's a compromise, and VA without NoVa still trends left, so D's could win it and they net more EV's and two blue senators, while if the GOP wins VA (without NoVA), it could be the difference between winning or losing the WH.
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« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2020, 01:47:42 PM »

Senate:
- 2 senators are allocated to a council of Native American tribes

House
- The house expands to 1000 seats, 20 are reserved for the council of Native American tribes

Would these basically be the American version of NZ's Māori electorates, in that people who are Native American or of Native American descent would have the option to choose whether they wanna vote in elections for the regular Senate/House seats or these Native American seats?
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« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2020, 03:05:09 PM »

Senate:
- 2 senators are allocated to a council of Native American tribes

House
- The house expands to 1000 seats, 20 are reserved for the council of Native American tribes

Would these basically be the American version of NZ's Māori electorates, in that people who are Native American or of Native American descent would have the option to choose whether they wanna vote in elections for the regular Senate/House seats or these Native American seats?
Yes.
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« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2020, 09:25:15 PM »

I can’t wrap my head around the reasoning for some of these. Care to explain?
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« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2021, 12:28:47 AM »

Presidential:
- All states adopt RCV
Y'all know how I feel about RCV at this point; you're replacing a system that's horrible with a system that's awful. You can do better.
- Party threshold to enter debates decreased to 5%
- If a party receives 5% in the last election, they get access to funding and gain automatical ballot access
Sure, but why should each party only be afforded one candidate? Primaries are part of the problem here.
EV's being binding is already the case in most states, and delegates being binding is already basically universal; they can't vote their conscience until the 2nd ballot.
- Forbid superdelegates, PAC's and caucuses
Who's doing the forbidding of superdelegates and cacuses? Parties can elect their members as they please. What specifically are you banning when you say 'ban pacs'. Do you want to ban any political expenditure that's not associated with a campaign?
Gerrymandering isn't relevant to the presidential election.
- NOVA (Fairfax, Loudoun & Prince William) merges with new DC state
Does either area desire this?
- Three westernmost MD counties are transferred to WV
Sure, their residents might prefer that.
Yes.
- NYC, Los Angeles and Chicago metro areas split with their state and become a new state. They all can elect 2 new senators.
Coincidentally, this plus your DC/NOVA proposal have the effect of creating red (or at least purple) states out of the remainder in 3/4 cases. I'm not sure what the rationale of doing this is supposed to be. In NYC's case, is the remaining NY state going to contain both upstate and long island?
- NV, UT, ID, WV, RI, NH, NM, IA all get 1 EV for each district. The remaining 2 are winner-takes-it-all. This will help stop gerrymandering because competitive districts will bring attention to these areas
Your second sentence is a non-sequitur; district EVs gives more incentive for gerrymandering, not less. In any case, Rhode Island is about to lose its 2nd EV.

- FL (South, Central, North), TX (RGV, East, Houston, Dallas, Austin/SA, North+West) and CA (SF, SD, North, South, East)  minus LA are divided into state regions for senate elections and presidential elections
Unsure on what this means; are you making new states out of them?
- Proportional allocation for all states with more than 14 EV's. Winner-takes it all counts for 50% + 1 EV. EV's left over are allocated with D'hondt method. 10% electoral threshold. This applies to GA, NC, MI, NJ and OH with perhaps one of the newly created states: PR, DC and upstate NY
- All other states + new state regions stay winner takes it all
This is so... arbitrary. Why all these different rules for different areas? Why not one consistent set of rules?
- 10 brand new EV's are allocated to a council of Native American tribes, to ensure indigenous rights are respected
Sure, sounds like a good idea.

Senate:
- 2 senators are allocated to a council of Native American tribes
Sure.
- Expansion of new states: upstate NY, DC, PR + TX (6)/CA (5)/FL (3) new state regions, new cities (LA, NY, CH), which would expand the senate by 48 (+2 Natives), which would set the total number to 150.
I guess? I'm still not sure what your 'state regions' thing is.

House
- All districts are drawn by an independent organ.
Who composes this organ? What makes it independent? Is there a single national body drawing districts for every single state, or does each state have one? Does this only apply to house districts, or to state legislative districts too?
- The house expands to 1000 seats, 20 are reserved for the council of Native American tribes
Arbitrary number, but sure.
- Existing district number total stays the same (except for the new states)
- Other districts are allocated to states fairly, with proportional representation: 5% electoral threshold (in practice in many states higher). Parties offer lists with candidates,people can vote for a candidate and if for an example a party wins 11 seats in a state, the 11 candidates a highest number of votes of that party enter parliament
Is this MMP, or are only the at large seats proportional? Is the PR carried out at the state level, or nationally?
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