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« on: December 28, 2020, 10:55:28 AM »

Anarchists. To those who don’t want to abolish the state, I guess it’s mainly based on Green Eco-socialist philosophy.

Using the dumb 4-squares as showing something visible, the centre is the Green Party’s wing influenced by boomer Bookchin and the extreme left end is the IWW which is AnCom. It’s a mainly empty hole outside of factions in the Green Party, some mutual aid networks, and the IWW.
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« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2020, 04:12:31 PM »

The Labor Party leader in the U.K who took on Thatcher in 1983 (and likely would have won were it not for the Falklands War), Michael Foot, described himself as a 'libertarian socialist.'

He was a former journalist who was something of a philosopher (much more so than a practical politician) and he had something of a well thought out philosophy on being a libertarian socialist.  He's hardly the only one either.

This is Noam Chomsky (yuck) on Libertarian Socialism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3m4aRQ9QvQ

This is RationalWiki on Libertarian Socialism:
Libertarian socialism is the most anti-authoritarian form of socialism. It's often used as a synonym for anarchism, although not all anarchists subscribe to socialist thought and some self-described libertarian socialists, such as Daniel De Leon, reject elements of anarchism. Libertarian socialism often takes elements of democratic socialism, such as decentralized planning and self-managed workplaces, to their extreme, while also opposing things such as police and prisons, hoping for a community-run "restorative justice" system, and hoping to make as many decisions as possible through consensus by assemblies and councils. The former British Labour Party leader Michael Foot described himself as a libertarian socialist in a 1965 interview where he stated that he believed in socialism that was designed to "get the greatest (amount of) freedom for individuals".

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Socialism#Liberal_socialism
I'm a bit unclear on this as well. Seems like an oxymoron. I guess it could be someone who takes full blown libertarian position on non economic issues (non-interventionist foreign policy, privacy, free speech, drugs, sex issues) but still has left of center economic views. In which case I would consider that person just not a libertarian.
Social democrats have a habit of describing themselves to be more radical than they actually; Libertarian Socialist, Left-Lib, Democratic Socialist, and even Anarchist.
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« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2020, 02:07:01 PM »

The 4-quadrant political compass is trash, but libertarian socialism is a real ideological movement with a rich history (not one I personally subscribe to, but definitely one that's still valuable to modern leftists). Just because it doesn't fit neatly into modern American political discourse doesn't make it stupid.
Anarchism has never fit well with any political discourse of liberal democracies due to its rejection of not only the legitimacy of such a system, but even by participating in it due to it being an unjust hierarchal system.

Nowhere in the world will smashing the state be acceptable to glorified pundits who need the state, and chartered organizations given right to operate by said state, to pay their overpayed salaries.
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« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2020, 06:48:36 PM »


Nowhere in the world will smashing the state be acceptable to glorified pundits who need the state, and chartered organizations given right to operate by said state, to pay their overpayed salaries.

Anarchists literally think these are the only kinds of people who benefit from state power.
I’m not getting at with what you are saying here, may you explain what you mean?
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« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2020, 08:13:26 PM »


Nowhere in the world will smashing the state be acceptable to glorified pundits who need the state, and chartered organizations given right to operate by said state, to pay their overpayed salaries.

Anarchists literally think these are the only kinds of people who benefit from state power.
I’m not getting at with what you are saying here, may you explain what you mean?
Ooooh. Well not just them, but they are the most visible example the masses are fed through the dominant forms of media distribution services in our society.
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