Israel General Elections || 23.03.2021

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a Sa’ar Yamina YB YA B&W coalition

oof

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Israeli snap election 1: The Yamin Menace
Israeli snap election 2. Attack of the Retired IDF Rav Alufs
Israeli snap election 3: Revenge of the Right
Israeli snap election 4: A New Hope (YOU ARE HERE)
Israeli snap election 5: Bibi Strikes Back
Israeli snap election 6: Return of the Left
Israeli snap election 7: Labor Zionism Awakens
Israeli snap election 8: The Last Kibbutznik
Israeli snap election 9: The Rise of Ben Gurion

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So is it sighs or tears??? Do we have 61?

At least one Israeli news channel has "called" the election for more deadlock. Looks like the surplus vote agreements weren't quite enough for Bibi.

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The generally pro-Bibi Jerusalem Post confirms no Bibi majority.

So is it sighs or tears??? Do we have 61?

At least one Israeli news channel has "called" the election for more deadlock. Looks like the surplus vote agreements weren't quite enough for Bibi.

Alright, alright, good. Worst case avoided. Now, what happens? Presumably an election in August, but who will be Prime Minister until then?

Bibi stays caretaker PM until either someone else successfully forms a government or the anti bloc+Ra'am rams through a law disqualifying (and thus deposing) him. However, if this is still the situation in November (an astounding but real possibility), Gantz automatically becomes PM under the previous rotation agreement. Yes, seriously.

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Oh we got double envelope results:
Likud 25.5%
YA 13.8%
Yamemena 9.4%
Labour 8.1%
YB 6.6%
Kahanists 6.4%
KL 6.3%
Shas 5.7%
New Joke 5.2%
Meretz 4.8%
UTJ 3.26%
JL 2.6%
Ra'am 1.6%
Zalicha 0.9%
Antivax kooks 0.3%
Pirates 0.1%

Does this change the seat totals any?

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the seat it moved from Ra'am to Meretz.

Nice.

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On policy grounds it would be easier to form a center-right goverment without Netenyahu. The past 4 elections have clearly shown that there is a solid center-right majority but Netenyahu's himself prevents a stable center-right goverment.

Yes, the median Israeli voter pretty obviously wants a right-liberal government without the Kahanists but maybe with the Haredim. It's just Bibi's personality that prevents this.

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https://twitter.com/likud_party/status/1375109628363747331?s=21

omfgosh they're seriously going with an Israeli version of the "74 million Trump voters" talking point

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I like my online fora without violent bigots or suicide-baiting keyboard warriors (sane, apparently abnormal).

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Et tu, Ayelet? Beautiful to see.

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What happened?

Ra'am froze talks because of an escalation with Hamas after some sort of clash at the Al-Aqsa Mosque the other day.

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Indeed, Biden did his part. Is it the first time Bibi uses the *right of Israel to defend itself* within the *escalation of the conflict* to his advantage?

I hope nobody is surprised to discover that Bibi is the smartest beast in that pack of hyenas. Otherwise wake up, folks. Don't pretend Israel is a democracy and you are discussing coalition formation in Belgium or the Netherlands

Israel would be a democracy if the non-Bibi politicians there were capable of making decisions. It's not Belgium or the Netherlands, but it's not Hungary or Turkey either.

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So, Lapid's mandate expires at midnight in Israel, right? That's less than six hours away as I am typing this...is there any worry that they are not going to have a deal set in stone by that time?

Yes.

I think the right will come around, but Ra'am might end up hesitating. It's crunch time

What a roller coaster.

With Israeli politics, who needs the CW?

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Lapid has informed Rivlin and Levin.

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My source ftr was the Jerusalem Post, which I've been refreshing all day. (At work, which is why I wasn't posting much about it.)

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Wave Bibi goodbye in this thread.

Glad he’s going, for sure, but Bennett doesn’t give me a ton of hope.

My sentiments exactly. Bennett probably won't be much better, but at least he isn't blatantly corrupt...as far as we know.

Harold Wilson with his Labour Right-dominated Cabinet was known to joke that he was a Bolshevik leading a government of Tsarists. Bennett is going to be the reverse, up to eleven and bass-boosted.

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Wave Bibi goodbye in this thread.

Glad he’s going, for sure, but Bennett doesn’t give me a ton of hope.

My sentiments exactly. Bennett probably won't be much better, but at least he isn't blatantly corrupt...as far as we know.

Harold Wilson with his Labour Right-dominated Cabinet was known to joke that he was a Bolshevik leading a government of Tsarists. Bennett is going to be the reverse, up to eleven and bass-boosted.

Don't forget Shaked

Shaked is married to a fighter pilot in the Israeli Air Force. They have two children and live in Bavli, Tel Aviv.[9] She is an admirer of Steve Jobs. She was influenced by Ayn Rand, in particular The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged.[1] She describes her personality as 'intellectual' and 'systematic'.[8]

I never forget Ayelet Shaked

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I made something

I'm going to save this for future use.

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I made something

Post this to r/politicalcompassmemes if you haven't already.

I didn't get the Yesh Atid one until I saw what Yir Lapid looks like.

Lapid has the kavorka.

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In terms of how their communities are governed, i disagree.

How is an internal communal form of organisation directly relevant to political philosophy? The Druze then are hyper theocratic

How is it not relevant to Shas and (especially) UTJ?

Neither has an ambition to create a theocratic state, their internal constitution is besides the point

I wouldn’t put forming a theocratic authoritarian state past the Religious Zionism Party if they ever got half a chance.  Bezalel Smotrich is one of the worst apples in Bibi’s basket of deplorables. 

I think what Hnv1 is saying is that Shas and UTJ aren't really interested in Israel itself being a theocracy, just in being allowed to run their own communities in a theocratic way. My understanding is that that's exactly what distinguishes them from the national religious.

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The Knesset session is underway.

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https://twitter.com/Hadas_Gold/status/1404064689949233156

Would be hilarious if the entire Bibi bloc got ejected and the confidence vote passed like 60-6-1.

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Likud MKs need to be domesticated.

And preferably housebroken.

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What's going on right now?

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60 for
59 against
1 abstain
2 not here

That adds up to 122.

Corrected.

Ta'al and Odeh ended up voting against after they saw Al-Haroumi (Ra'am) abstained

Are you sure it's because of that and not because they saw that none of the Joint List needed to abstain in order to get rid of Netanyahu?

That's exactly what it means; once they saw the Ra'am guy would be making himself scarce rather than voting against (and thus that unified JL opposition would make it a 60-59 vote rather than 60-60), they came back and voted against with a clear conscience.