Israel General Elections || 23.03.2021

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Shelah is leaving YA and starting a new party with the independents (i.e., the self employed). Not sure what his end game here is honestly. Bargaining power with Huldai?
Shelah is very intelligent, but sometimes over intelligent and over does it in politics.

Pretty impressive how Yesh Atid basically hasn't split until now. How long is Lapid going to stay in politics?

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Soo the Joint List is officially split. Ra'am and Ta'al are both running on their own.

Ta'al will rejoin. Just upping their negotiation with Hadash atm.

Plus seeming like the ones who pushed the hardest for unity...

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LABOUR PRIMARY RESULTS:
1. Omer Bar Lev
2. Emily Moati
3. Gilad Kariv
4. Efrat Rayten (attorney and former children's star)
5. Ram Shefa
6. Ibtisam Mara'ana Menuhin
7. Nachman Shai
8. Naama Lazimi

I voted for places 1-3 and 6

big contrast between 6,7, and 8 lol. Palestinian documentarian, IDF spokesman, LGBT Mizrahi activist

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https://m.maariv.co.il/amp/elections-2021/Article-822043?__twitter_impression=true
20 Israeli Arab HaAvodah "activists" publicly drop out of the party - basically saying that it's too Tel Aviv for them. Wondering if any of you know the inside baseball here.

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Does Israel do exit polling by socioeconomic status or income? Curious how the less devout section of the working class votes, especially trade union members.

Matzpen had great writing on this in the 70s and 89s. I'd check their website.

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Operation Keep Bibi In Power:
Sides: Hamas and Likud vs the rest of Israel
Results: decisive success

What would the effect of an official US rebuke (slightly possible) have on the government?
If "the rest of Israel" wanted to, they could force a ceasefire - the non-Bibi entire political class comes off quite poorly here.

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To me, this seems like a fairly noticeable ideological shift for Hadash - the "Tankie" party bosses used to order everyome to sing Hatikvah and banned the Palestinian flag. It does seem that they have been pushed closer to Balad over the past 10 years. How has their voting base changed over this time? What role does the increasing integration of Palestinian woman in the workplace have?

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To me, this seems like a fairly noticeable ideological shift for Hadash - the "Tankie" party bosses used to order everyome to sing Hatikvah and banned the Palestinian flag. It does seem that they have been pushed closer to Balad over the past 10 years. How has their voting base changed over this time? What role does the increasing integration of Palestinian woman in the workplace have?

That was Maki, a different party. Hadash is decedent from the very anti Zionist Rakah.
Anyhow, it’s mainly a play for the young educated voters (Arab) who are much much more nationalist than the old guard.


Rumours Lapid will announce the government on Monday

From Khamsim in 1990

Following clashes with police in Nazareth on Land Day 1988, local Pales­tinian-Arab leaders decided to move the 1989 Galilee protests to villages to the north, with a march from Sakhnin to Deir Hana for a rally there. As Sakhnin had been the site of the original 1976 killings, certainly this decision had a strong symbolic significance. Yet it can also be seen as a pre-emptive move by the local leadership, particularly the Israeli Com­munist Party (Rakah), the leading electoral force among Palestinian-Arab citizens within Israel. An unstated aim was to limit any public confrontation with the Israeli authorities, particularly around display of the Palestinian flag.

Not only is such display illegal, but it challenges Rakah’s policy of dis­playing the Israeli flag ‒ and even singing “Hatikvah”, the Zionist national anthem. The conflict with many Palestinian-Arab citizens arises from the party’s insistence that they already have a country, Israel. According to Nazareth lawyer ‘Aziz Shehadeh, Rakah tries to stop youths from rais­ing the Palestinian flag as “part of its deal with the Establishment, to gain legitimation in Jewish society”. As put more bluntly by ‘Ali Jedda, of the Alternative Information Centre (Jerusalem), no police were needed at Deir Hana because “Rakah were the border police” (interview with the author, Spring 1989). His comparison refers, of course, less to physical repression than to an ideological policing of Israeli versus Palestinian national loyalty.

What precisely is the difference between a Balad voter and a Hadash voter? Nationalism? Is there a difference among economic sectors of the Palestinians - ie do construction workers vote different from pharmacists?

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To me, this seems like a fairly noticeable ideological shift for Hadash - the "Tankie" party bosses used to order everyome to sing Hatikvah and banned the Palestinian flag. It does seem that they have been pushed closer to Balad over the past 10 years. How has their voting base changed over this time? What role does the increasing integration of Palestinian woman in the workplace have?

That was Maki, a different party. Hadash is decedent from the very anti Zionist Rakah.
Anyhow, it’s mainly a play for the young educated voters (Arab) who are much much more nationalist than the old guard.


Rumours Lapid will announce the government on Monday

From Khamsim in 1990

Following clashes with police in Nazareth on Land Day 1988, local Pales­tinian-Arab leaders decided to move the 1989 Galilee protests to villages to the north, with a march from Sakhnin to Deir Hana for a rally there. As Sakhnin had been the site of the original 1976 killings, certainly this decision had a strong symbolic significance. Yet it can also be seen as a pre-emptive move by the local leadership, particularly the Israeli Com­munist Party (Rakah), the leading electoral force among Palestinian-Arab citizens within Israel. An unstated aim was to limit any public confrontation with the Israeli authorities, particularly around display of the Palestinian flag.

Not only is such display illegal, but it challenges Rakah’s policy of dis­playing the Israeli flag ‒ and even singing “Hatikvah”, the Zionist national anthem. The conflict with many Palestinian-Arab citizens arises from the party’s insistence that they already have a country, Israel. According to Nazareth lawyer ‘Aziz Shehadeh, Rakah tries to stop youths from rais­ing the Palestinian flag as “part of its deal with the Establishment, to gain legitimation in Jewish society”. As put more bluntly by ‘Ali Jedda, of the Alternative Information Centre (Jerusalem), no police were needed at Deir Hana because “Rakah were the border police” (interview with the author, Spring 1989). His comparison refers, of course, less to physical repression than to an ideological policing of Israeli versus Palestinian national loyalty.

What precisely is the difference between a Balad voter and a Hadash voter? Nationalism? Is there a difference among economic sectors of the Palestinians - ie do construction workers vote different from pharmacists?

That was their communist stance against flags in general no where pro Zionism. I don’t know where the quote is from but there absolutely no way Hadash waved an Israeli flag and sang the anthem. No way. Maybe in the early fifties before the split, no way in the 80s.

Balad tend to be slightly more Muslim and less socialist. Also more in line with the greater Arab world.

Construction workers if they vote all will probably vote Ra’am or Ta’al, or Hadash/Balad if there’s any family connection or something. Arab voting patterns are really weird to describe, it’s clan first, then religion.

Source here: https://matzpen.org/english/category/khamsin/khamsin-bulletins/khamsinbulletin8/
I can't speak for now, but i can say with some confidence that Rakah behaved like this in the 60s through the 80s.
What about party membership? Is there demographic patterns there?

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@Hnv1 - the Matzpen linked party that gets votes still is the Trotskyist/Jerusalem faction. That article came from another faction - the more heterodox, official communist linked Tel Aviv faction 😛. They are partially responsible for Koah LaOvdim, nothing to sneeze at, imo.

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Yeah you can usually tell which group people are closer to by the union they say does "small, but important work." Both WAC-MAAN and Koah LaOvidim have won some important struggles, but neither seems capable of influencing the voting choices of its members. Ehud Ein-gil is the Matzpen man in Koah LaOvidim that i know of.

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https://twitter.com/davidhazony/status/1399775326788538372

Not, in fact, what Abbas is actually demanding. He is demanding a repeal of the Kaminitz Law - which further criminalized permitless construction (they way most Palestinians must construct their homes by necessity) as well as recognition of Bedouin settlements outside the "official" towns in the Begev.

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I think Odeh said that there would be some Joint List support for the new government in the confidence vote (if they need it). So, there isn't too much of a risk of there is another Yamina defection.

Hadash and Balad (4 MKs) have both announced they will vote no. Ta'al (2 MKs) has said no or abstain, yet to say which. Touma-Sliman said that Bennett would lead “a dangerous right-wing government,” one that would “remove Netanyahu but preserve his path.”

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https://twitter.com/Gil_Hoffman/status/1401559973331603457?s=20
Netanyhu went full Trump today in front of Likud MKs. He continues to try and tie this to the GOP, despite then having no power to influence the situation.

Orbach also hasn't decided, but I suspect we are heading for 60 in favor, 57-59 oppose, and enough abstentions to pass.

Who's Abbas seated next too ? any choice must be ackward.

Would be an easier choice if he were in opposition. Ra'am, Shas, UTJ and Religious Zionists are four sides of the same theocratic coin. It must be a strange coin, but such is Israel.

No they aren't. Ra'am is not "theocratic" and neither are the religious zionists.

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In terms of how their communities are governed, i disagree.

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In terms of how their communities are governed, i disagree.

How is an internal communal form of organisation directly relevant to political philosophy? The Druze then are hyper theocratic

How is it not relevant to Shas and (especially) UTJ?

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In terms of how their communities are governed, i disagree.

How is an internal communal form of organisation directly relevant to political philosophy? The Druze then are hyper theocratic

How is it not relevant to Shas and (especially) UTJ?

Neither has an ambition to create a theocratic state, their internal constitution is besides the point

No they dont, but their parties are run as theocracies, which was my point