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« on: December 21, 2020, 07:35:16 PM »

Slovenia's incumbent government, led by right-wing nationalist conservative PM (the one who congratulated Trump) Janez Janša, lost its majority and might face a no-confidence vote.

All the government changes in the last 15 years (Parties: SDS - national conservative, SD - social democratic, NSi - christian democrat, LDS - liberal, Zares - liberal, GVL - liberal, PS - liberal, SMC - liberal, SAB - liberal, LMŠ - liberal, DeSUS - Pensioners' interests, SLS - conservative, SNS - nationalist, Levica - left).  

2008: Borut Pahor (SD, LDS, Zares, DeSUS) wins elections against incumbent PM Janez Janša (SDS, NSi, DeSUS, SLS)

2011: snap elections after no-confidence vote after Zares and DeSUS left government, Zoran Janković set to become PM of a PS, SD, GVL, DeSUS coalition

2012: GVL withdraw support of coalition that had not installed Janković yet, Janez Janša (SDS, NSi, GVL, DeSUS, SLS) becomes PM

2013: DeSUS and GVL leave the coalition, a no-confidence vote results in a government led by Alenka Bratušek (PS, SD, GVL, DeSUS)

2014: Bratušek resigns after PS ousts her as leader, subsequently she founds her own party SAB and continues to govern under an interim basis with snap elections called, resulting in Miro Cerar (SMS, DeSUS, SD) becoming PM

2018: Cerar resigns and loses snap elections, Marjan Šarec (LMŠ, SMC, SD, DeSUS, SAB, support by Levica) becomes PM

2020 (March): Levica withdraws their support of Šarec, who resigns to force snap election, his former coalition partner switch sides and bring Janez Janša (SDS, SMC, DeSUS, NSi, support by SNS) back to office

Now, DeSUS has left the government due to disagreements over healthcare policies, leaving the government with 43 seats (out of 90). SNS support (3 seats) would bring it to the necessary 46 seats (+2 national minority seats), but the opposition united under the banner of the "KUL" coalition, and they hope to get the support of some SMC MPs, as the party is completely disoriented and will likely not get into Parliament next time. The KUL coalition would likely elect DeSUS leader Karl Erjevac as PM.

(Btw, Slovenia's government appointees get confirmed similar to the US system.)
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« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2020, 10:24:05 PM »

One of Janez Janša's nicknames is Marshal Tweeto.
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« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2020, 09:20:01 AM »

One of Janez Janša's nicknames is Marshal Tweeto.

That made me lol maybe more than it should have.
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« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2020, 12:52:48 PM »

Slovenia's incumbent government, led by right-wing nationalist conservative PM (the one who congratulated Trump) Janez Janša, lost its majority and might face a no-confidence vote.

All the government changes in the last 15 years (Parties: SDS - national conservative, SD - social democratic, NSi - christian democrat, LDS - liberal, Zares - liberal, GVL - liberal, PS - liberal, SMC - liberal, SAB - liberal, LMŠ - liberal, DeSUS - Pensioners' interests, SLS - conservative, SNS - nationalist, Levica - left).  
Why?
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« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2020, 02:56:29 PM »

Slovenia's incumbent government, led by right-wing nationalist conservative PM (the one who congratulated Trump) Janez Janša, lost its majority and might face a no-confidence vote.

All the government changes in the last 15 years (Parties: SDS - national conservative, SD - social democratic, NSi - christian democrat, LDS - liberal, Zares - liberal, GVL - liberal, PS - liberal, SMC - liberal, SAB - liberal, LMŠ - liberal, DeSUS - Pensioners' interests, SLS - conservative, SNS - nationalist, Levica - left).  

Why?

Why not?
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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2021, 08:28:06 AM »

A motion of no confidence was filed for 15 January, supported by DeSUS, LMŠ, SD and SAB, with Levica yet to announce whether they will support Karl Erjevac as PM. All "KUL coalition" MPs combined make up 43 seats. As of now, it seems rather unlikely that Janša will be voted out, but it is rumored that there are several SDS and SMC MPs that are dissatisfied with the government.
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« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2021, 12:14:15 PM »

Slovenia's incumbent government, led by right-wing nationalist conservative PM (the one who congratulated Trump) Janez Janša, lost its majority and might face a no-confidence vote.

All the government changes in the last 15 years (Parties: SDS - national conservative, SD - social democratic, NSi - christian democrat, LDS - liberal, Zares - liberal, GVL - liberal, PS - liberal, SMC - liberal, SAB - liberal, LMŠ - liberal, DeSUS - Pensioners' interests, SLS - conservative, SNS - nationalist, Levica - left).  
Why?

Late, but most of those are personalist parties based around a single person, at least the ones that ran in 2018. The parties that contested the 2018 election of those include:

SMC: Modern Centre Party; but formerly called "Party of Milo Cerar"
SAB: Party of Alenka Bratušek, formerly the Alliance of Alenka Bratušek
LMS: List of Marjan Šarec
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« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2021, 04:09:11 PM »

Slovenia's incumbent government, led by right-wing nationalist conservative PM (the one who congratulated Trump) Janez Janša, lost its majority and might face a no-confidence vote.

All the government changes in the last 15 years (Parties: SDS - national conservative, SD - social democratic, NSi - christian democrat, LDS - liberal, Zares - liberal, GVL - liberal, PS - liberal, SMC - liberal, SAB - liberal, LMŠ - liberal, DeSUS - Pensioners' interests, SLS - conservative, SNS - nationalist, Levica - left).  
Why?

Late, but most of those are personalist parties based around a single person, at least the ones that ran in 2018. The parties that contested the 2018 election of those include:

SMC: Modern Centre Party; but formerly called "Party of Milo Cerar"
SAB: Party of Alenka Bratušek, formerly the Alliance of Alenka Bratušek
LMS: List of Marjan Šarec

Yeah, same goes for Positive Slovenia (PS), that was a personality cult around Ljubljana Mayor Zoran Janković and GVL (Gregor Virant's List).

Most of those parties usually get slaughtered after one or two parliamentary terms (Zares, GVL, PS were wiped out after one term in Parliament, SMC is set to disappear after two), we'll yet have to see what happens to LMS and SAB.
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« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2021, 03:05:02 PM »

Slovenia's incumbent government, led by right-wing nationalist conservative PM (the one who congratulated Trump) Janez Janša, lost its majority and might face a no-confidence vote.

All the government changes in the last 15 years (Parties: SDS - national conservative, SD - social democratic, NSi - christian democrat, LDS - liberal, Zares - liberal, GVL - liberal, PS - liberal, SMC - liberal, SAB - liberal, LMŠ - liberal, DeSUS - Pensioners' interests, SLS - conservative, SNS - nationalist, Levica - left).  

Why?

Why not?
Basically the last 15-20 years of Slovenian politics have been about increasingly pathetic attempts to find a successor to Janez Drnovšek.
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« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2021, 07:19:17 PM »

Karl Erjavec announced today he has collected 43 signatures from MPs - But that was expected anyway. He still needs 3 more votes, and as the SMC leadership constantly renounces the possibility of supporting the KUL coalition, it seems more and more unlikely that the motion will pass. SMC still hints that they want to cooperate with KUL for electoral lists (well, that is what parties polling at 0.1 % do), but unless they resign from the government, I see no chance for that.

Meanwhile, Erjavec' personal approval numbers plummeted sharply and now he's ranked least popular politician of Slovenia.
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« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2021, 07:26:11 PM »

Why Erjavec for PM anyway? DeSUS is polling below the threshold on the latest poll.
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« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2021, 08:04:58 PM »

Why Erjavec for PM anyway? DeSUS is polling below the threshold on the latest poll.
He basically made the motion possible as he backed the decision for DeSUS to leave the government, so he's the most formidable compromise candidate. Plus, at least until recently, he was relatively popular.
It's comparable to the PM of Latvia being a member of Vienotība, which is the smallest party in a broad coalition: It's simply the candidate an ideologically diverse coalition of parties could agree on. And he served in governmental positions several times before.

The Left's candidate Luka Mesec would not be acceptable to the center parties as PM, I might assume Šarec could be held responsible for having tried to force snap elections last year, Tanja Fajon of SD doesn't strike as most experienced candidate (she is just a MEP as far as I can recall) and Alenka Bratušek carries to much baggage.
Additionally, Erjavec as member of the Pensioners' Party that basically governed with every other party before is the candidate most likely to draw support from government defectors.

I wouldn't read too much into the polling numbers, Slovenia's parties constantly experience ups and downs. For instance, SAB polled constantly below 4 % for four years until the 2018 elections, when they gained momentum at the exact right time just ahead of the vote and made it into Parliament with slight gains. Slovene polls always have a high number of undecideds and non-voters, it is really annoying the overview in Wikipedia doesn't include the 'party only' numbers.
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« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2021, 02:00:19 PM »

I wouldn't read too much into the polling numbers, Slovenia's parties constantly experience ups and downs. For instance, SAB polled constantly below 4 % for four years until the 2018 elections, when they gained momentum at the exact right time just ahead of the vote and made it into Parliament with slight gains. Slovene polls always have a high number of undecideds and non-voters, it is really annoying the overview in Wikipedia doesn't include the 'party only' numbers.
Which is largely a reflection of the fact that only the SDS (by which we mean Janša) seems to have a significantly-sized firm core vote. It's all a bit Israeli.
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