Libertarian Party Inside Baseball Politics Thread

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Thank You Stateboiler for having the testes to post and contribute to this thread on the most partisan s•••hole on this site. You are a trove of knowledge even in the harshest of conditions.

Anyway, what’s the House lineup for 2022?

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Mises Caucus calls Libertarian Party “controlled opposition” for their stances against the free movement and association of the people coup

Looks like the AnCaps might finally split from the Libertarian Party. Might I say that the Libertarian party would be better off without quasi-Nazis following the dogma of Hoppe and Mises.

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Mises Caucus calls Libertarian Party “controlled opposition” for their stances against the free movement and association of the people coup

Looks like the AnCaps might finally split from the Libertarian Party. Might I say that the Libertarian party would be better off without quasi-Nazis following the dogma of Hoppe and Mises.

Mises wouldn't want to be associated with these clowns.  Rothbard would, though.

Has the Mises Caucus always been like this?

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Is Spike Cohen apart of the LPRadicals

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Well this thread might as well get put to good use

1) Can the Dallas Accords, and its end, be explained

2) explain what factions were and are part of the Modern party

3) exactly what major debates go inside the party

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What are the differences between the LPRadicals and the Mises Caucus? Also, what in the world is the povertarian caucus?

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So the Kentucky Libertarians have found themselves in hot water by conflating vaccine passports with the Holocaust

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The conflict between the Mises Caucus aligned versus the moderate minarchists in New Hampshire has reached new heights.

...Start your own Party, if you wish, free from the perceived limitations of the Libertarian Party... You have an amazing capacity to grow your numbers without being burdened by the constant struggle of being affiliated with a Party that does not agree with your goals or methods...

... To this end, we have established a new interim set of Bylaws and Platform and instituted a new Executive Committee to work with me in the Libertarian Party of New Hampshire.  To those who wish to rejoin us, previous membership payments will be honored, however there is a requirement to sign a new oath and review the interim Bylaws and Platform and affirm you can agree to abide by them...

Per Jilleta Jarvis, will be no new posts on social media until the end of the weekend.

The oath in question

“I will not advocate or endorse the initiation of force as a means to achieve political or social goals.  I will advocate for the freedom from oppression and coercion for all New Hampshire residents and affirm that as Libertarians we condemn bigotry as irrational and repugnant.”

This news has not been received well within certain segments of the Libertarian Party, mainly the Mises Caucus. Since the 2020 elections, there’s been a lot of conflict between the leading centre faction and the right faction in the party, especially on where the party is heading. There’s an up flair of division on who’s a true Libertarian and who’s an entryist wrecker.

The Libertarians have successfully dealt with factional infighting beforehand; a rivalry between Ancaps and Statists since 1974, the attempted takeovers by actual Nazis in the 90s and 2000s, and kicking off the Paleocons and Objectivists. This is another one of these moments.

Personally, I would try to wholesale kick the Mises Caucus out of the party before they organize for an outright rebellion. The Libertarians are in a better place than the Green Party, but chapter coups and countercoups and major defections are always a dangerous game. Now, in light of all this, I’m in no way saying the Libertarian Centre faction should try and achieve uniformity. They ultimately cannot do so and they won’t have the numbers to survive this harsh electoral law regime setup by the duopoly. Indeed, that’s why I think the action should be a joint decision by the “pragmatists” and LPRadical. The leading Minarchist faction now must boost up relations with the AnCaps in order to avoid making this a civil war.

I don’t know how you all in the party want to cover this, and I can’t believe I’m saying this, but the strategies this mod team here takes are probably for the best. For each blue a red must go soon to appear impartial, for each Hoppean chapter a statist socialist must go. I think now is the best time to get rid of the small socialist faction to appear impartial.

The rest of Atlas, enjoy seeing more antics by Darryl W. Perry.

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It has come to my attention that the Mises Caucus has acted very similarly to the Green liberals in suppressing candidates running in races to prevent a “spoiler” to Republicans, nevermind most third party candidates choose not to run in most competitive races. Seems like not only do they virulently make a fool of the Libertarian party, but they are actively working to destroy it from within.

Purge them, purge them all. The Ron Paulite menace must be totally eradicated

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State chapters in Colorado, Connecticut, and New Jersey are condemning the state party coup and calling for a return of power to the executive council by JBH.

It’s clear that a good chunk of centrist Libertarian party members will be voted out of office come 2022. This is a major victory for the Mises Caucus, but I doubt they take hold of the party without serious deals and alliance building against the “pragmatic” Caucus.

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Where are the LPRadicals particularly strong in? Do they have a position on the whole hullabaloo with NH?

For extra memes, answer it for the socialists.

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JBH resigns as LNC chair

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The Mises caucus are going to absolutely destroy any chance of the Libertarians becoming a viable party. If they want to succeed, they need to be a party for disaffected socially liberal and fiscally conservative Republicans, not for weirdoes who boo drivers' licenses.

So far they’ve been rapidly growing in membership and officeholders by eschewing the Republican-lite label of running said people. Moderation here would be counterintuitive when the most Laissez-faire absolutists did the best in the historic cycle of 2020. That and the Mises caucus are the socially conservative wing, minimally speaking, and they did manage to take control of most of the party. Sidelining them would cause an even greater civil war than in the Green Party, possibly tearing the organization apart as the Progressive Labor Party’s Workers-Student alliance did to the SDS by alienating the other factions.

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There is a newly elected LP Chair, former LP Texas Chair Whitney Bilyeu.

Anyone know anything about her or how the vote went?

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Looks like things will get very nasty. According to rumors she went off after the ruling

Predictably, Harlos is losing her mind… vowing to get even (“bitches!”), denouncing the 11 or 12 members who wouldn’t stand by her as corrupt actors and scumbags, railing about too many “soy boys” in the party, and cackling about her Mises Caucus friends replacing all her LNC enemies in Reno.

From LP insiders

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Libertarians nominate an academic for Maryland governor

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The LNC expels Caryn Ann Harlos.

This means war

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Nicholas Sarwark is trying to get himself arrested

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The LP is pretty garbage outside the Mises Caucus and the MC is pretty useless. All effective libertarians don't vote, are independents, or working inside the GOP

Yeah ok, do you have anything of substance to add here?

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The LP is pretty garbage outside the Mises Caucus and the MC is pretty useless. All effective libertarians don't vote, are independents, or working inside the GOP

Yeah ok, do you have anything of substance to add here?

Are you a libertarian?

Non-factor

The Libertarian Party, sadly, is going through a period of extensive growth and popular support never before seen in its history. They've elected hundreds of elected officials the past two years alone and stand to win federal and state level offices in the next four years. Given the extensive structural barriers to third parties, this is unseen since the rise of the Socialist Party of America. Like all groups, being an "independent" is antisocial nonsense that leads nowhere politically and fusionism/entryism is dumb as a strategy and has led nowhere. The modern GOP isn't exactly advocating for downsizing of governance nor have ever helped out small businesses.

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The LP is pretty garbage outside the Mises Caucus and the MC is pretty useless. All effective libertarians don't vote, are independents, or working inside the GOP

Yeah ok, do you have anything of substance to add here?

Are you a libertarian?

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The Libertarian Party, sadly, is going through a period of extensive growth and popular support never before seen in its history. They've elected hundreds of elected officials the past two years alone and stand to win federal and state level offices in the next four years. Given the extensive structural barriers to third parties, this is unseen since the rise of the Socialist Party of America. Like all groups, being an "independent" is antisocial nonsense that leads nowhere politically and fusionism/entryism is dumb as a strategy and has led nowhere. The modern GOP isn't exactly advocating for downsizing of governance nor have ever helped out small businesses.

Ok that's cool and all, but it's still ineffective even with the period of growth and the divisions within the party are drastic. Not mention nearly every effective libertarian is not a member of the LP. There are more libertarians (non-LP types) in NH's state legislature than the LP has elected nationally.

The modern LP isn't exactly advocating for a traditional libertarian message.

That’s the norm for most movements that are successful, that it’s a big tent.

No s••• it isn’t traditional, or else they would be advocating for socialism, but the Libertarian party is the closest thing to a pure organization assembling the views of what the mainstream views as libertarian.

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There’s currently a power struggle in the Delaware state party over control of the party

The main constitution splinter, Life & Liberty, has decided to become a caucus in the Libertarian Party

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Conflict in the Massachusetts Party as special convention called for

This is the lead up to the most fractious and conflicted period the party has faced since the end of the Dallas Accords in 2005.

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The Mises Caucus has been expelled from the MA state association per LP insiders



The LNC has motioned to censure Joshua Smith

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The Mises Caucus has leadership in MA and have gotten a string of other victories