Libertarian Party Inside Baseball Politics Thread

[ElectionsGuy]

The Mises Caucus is absolutely taking over the party. And good for them, the LP has been pathetic these past few years, especially with frauds like Sarwark and Bishop-Henchman at the helm.

The LNC suspension of Harlos is bullsh**t too, the corrupt "establishment" of the LP is desperately trying to do anything to prevent the Mises Caucus from taking over. Watch what happens in May 2022.

[ElectionsGuy]

The Mises Caucus is absolutely taking over the party. And good for them, the LP has been pathetic these past few years, especially with frauds like Sarwark and Bishop-Henchman at the helm.

The LNC suspension of Harlos is bullsh**t too, the corrupt "establishment" of the LP is desperately trying to do anything to prevent the Mises Caucus from taking over. Watch what happens in May 2022.

There's no such thing as an LP establishment. Go listen to about a dozen Chris Spangle podcasts for why, because he's railed on it for quite awhile when hearing this.

As far as Harlos, choosing to be an asshole to your peers and selective enforcement of rules depending on when it benefits you and when it does not has always been a great way to find yourself fired in any line of work. JBH was wrong for what he did and resigned. Harlos was wrong in what she did too.

The 2022 Convention will be something. Depends on which side is motivated enough to become delegates and willing to take a trip to Reno, Nevada.

Yeah, I put it in parenthesis for a reason. The LP has no power, but the people currently at the top of the party are VERY out of touch with the base of party members. So it works very much the same way that the current Republican establishment does.

As far as Harlos goes, she's always been provocative and rowdy. It's who she is, and people have known that for a long time. I don't know what she actually *did* other than say mean words about the other members on social media. It's a dumb charge for an ideology that is supposed to be above speech/decorum concerns. This isn't a normal workplace, a number of delegates gather and elect these people, so they expect to fill out the full term and have a functioning officer. When it's said and done, I think she'll be back and many of the people who booted her will not.

[ElectionsGuy]

Very low IQ people are going to repeat tired talking points about how this caucus is somehow "alt-right fascist Republicans" coming into the Libertarian Party.

The victories were overwhelming, more than 2/3rds for every office. Maybe if those that repeat those tired talking points - including some self-described "libertarians" (revealing themselves for who they really are) - would think about that for a minute it would seem extremely laughable and absurd. How do 2/3rds of libertarian delegates from all around the country become far-right fascist and racists in just 2 years' time? I would expect that kind of statement from Democrats who label anything to the right of Elizabeth Warren "far-right". But these "libertarians" seem to care more about being virtuous and opposing anything that's slightly right-wing, more than liberty. They are behaviorally Democrats. Basically neoliberals - progressives who like the free market.

The LNC over the last 2 years has been extremely hostile to the Mises Caucus, tried to disaffiliate state parties friendly to them, and removed Caryn Ann Harlos form her Secretary role (where she received >70% of the vote at this convention after getting only 50% in 2020). Former Chair Nick Sarwark even sent out a letter accusing the Mises Caucus of being what I described in the beginning of the post. Not realizing how his antics have led to this moment, not realizing the LP's leadership has been out of step and outright hostile with it's rank and file and it created a massive backlash that culminated this weekend.

The Mises Caucus got created in response to Bill Weld being the VP nominee in 2016. They didn't want Weld to be the face of the party in 2020 and beyond, because he was a John Kasich endorsing "Never Trump" style Republican more than he was a libertarian, and that was reflected very much in his statements and campaign with Gary. Sarwark and others wanted more people like that in the LP, and crafted messaging to pander to them, despite those people having little/nothing in common with most libertarians. The MC got less than a quarter of the vote in 2020, a little less than a majority on average in 2020, and now >2/3rds in 2022. That's not all new people, they've actively changed hearts and minds. The backlash that boosted the MC in 2020 and beyond was the lack of response by the national party to lockdowns and covid mandates, and the embrace by some of BLM and identity politics. These people are very different from Republicans on criminal justice, on foreign policy, and many social issues (drugs, prostitution, etc.), they just want a party that doesn't cater to the left and establishment more than it promotes actual libertarian policy during the worst crackdowns of civil liberties in our lifetimes.