Libertarian Party Inside Baseball Politics Thread

[PSOL]

An underrated aspect of why the Mises caucus won was that they weren’t complete losers and knew how to have fun on the campaign trail. People like George Phillies, Andy, or Jared are complete buzzkills who come across as stiff. The Mises caucus was wise in elevating a very pretty woman, according to many heterosexual LP members, who had a likable “not that type of girl” “homegirl” attitude. Bilyeu meanwhile had no implicit sex appeal and was unlikable to most of the base.

The only way for the libertarian movement to salvage itself from the massive defeat by quasi-republicans is to reject the old establishment as having failed them. The future of the movement is with people like DW Perry, Adam Kokesh, Arvin Vohra, and Spike Cohen—real libertarians. They need to cast the liberals that caused this major defeat to the curb while building their own movement.

[NYDem]

An underrated aspect of why the Mises caucus won was that they weren’t complete losers and knew how to have fun on the campaign trail. People like George Phillies, Andy, or Jared are complete buzzkills who come across as stiff. The Mises caucus was wise in elevating a very pretty woman, according to many heterosexual LP members, who had a likable “not that type of girl” “homegirl” attitude. Bilyeu meanwhile had no implicit sex appeal and was unlikable to most of the base.

The only way for the libertarian movement to salvage itself from the massive defeat by quasi-republicans is to reject the old establishment as having failed them. The future of the movement is with people like DW Perry, Adam Kokesh, Arvin Vohra, and Spike Cohen—real libertarians. They need to cast the liberals that caused this major defeat to the curb while building their own movement.

Yes, clearly the future of the movement is with an Atlas user, a guy who wants to dissolve the USA, a pedophile, and some shirtless brony. A party led by them would return to the <1% status quo of the pre-Gary Johnson era, and would probably never crack 5% in any 3+ candidate race. Then again, the Libertarians are doomed to perpetual failure anyway, so I suppose there’s no harm in abandoning any pretense of being a serious political organization.

[PSOL]

An underrated aspect of why the Mises caucus won was that they weren’t complete losers and knew how to have fun on the campaign trail. People like George Phillies, Andy, or Jared are complete buzzkills who come across as stiff. The Mises caucus was wise in elevating a very pretty woman, according to many heterosexual LP members, who had a likable “not that type of girl” “homegirl” attitude. Bilyeu meanwhile had no implicit sex appeal and was unlikable to most of the base.

The only way for the libertarian movement to salvage itself from the massive defeat by quasi-republicans is to reject the old establishment as having failed them. The future of the movement is with people like DW Perry, Adam Kokesh, Arvin Vohra, and Spike Cohen—real libertarians. They need to cast the liberals that caused this major defeat to the curb while building their own movement.

Yes, clearly the future of the movement is with an Atlas user, a guy who wants to dissolve the USA, a pedophile, and some shirtless brony. A party led by them would return to the <1% status quo of the pre-Gary Johnson era, and would probably never crack 5% in any 3+ candidate race. Then again, the Libertarians are doomed to perpetual failure anyway, so I suppose there’s no harm in abandoning any pretense of being a serious political organization.

These people built the party and reflect what most Libertarians actually are. They are also competent at doing what they are doing and reflect what libertarianism actually is, and people like Kokesh or DWP are the builders of the party from a movement that was taken less seriously than the constitution party to America’s Third Party.

[FairBol]

A thread for Libertarians to discuss the party and its figures moving forward.

Wait a minute....I was expecting MLB discussion? Damn.  LOL I'm actually serious.  

[PSOL]

DSA’s big tent gets wider

They also are making a new party.

The main LGBT libertarian group has also split.

Safe to say the notion of a fiscally conservative, socially liberal party is long gone.

[Storr]

https://twitter.com/LPNH/status/1566472421154103297?s=20&t=9vOwEflJkDsyn7iZb...

[Gracile]

The national Libertarian Party has also had some...noteworthy content lately, too:

https://twitter.com/LPNational/status/1565687610315612163

https://twitter.com/LPNational/status/1565514020773400577

Pretty embarrassing (though not totally surprising) that the most significant third party in the US has devolved into shitposting to appeal to right-wing internet trolls.

[Indy Texas]

So what are the disaffiliated parties going to call themselves? Presumably still being on the ballot as "Libertarian" with no modifier would confuse people and perhaps prompt a lawsuit from the national organization.

[NYDem]

Is there anything in American politics sadder than the Libertarian Party’s attempts at relevance?

[Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy]

Is there anything in American politics sadder than the Libertarian Party’s attempts at relevance?

The LPNH's attempts

[John Dule]

If you guys want to have legitimate, competitive, sane third parties in this country, institute ranked-choice voting. Until that happens, all the third parties will behave like this.

[Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy]

The LAMA, the organization that controls the internal affairs of the (non-MC wing of the)Massachusetts LP, state committee unanimously passed a resolution to disaffiliate from the Libertarian National Committee

[Ferguson97]

If you guys want to have legitimate, competitive, sane third parties in this country, institute ranked-choice voting. Until that happens, all the third parties will behave like this.

I don't think FPTP is to blame for the Libertarian Party's behavior.

[John Dule]

If you guys want to have legitimate, competitive, sane third parties in this country, institute ranked-choice voting. Until that happens, all the third parties will behave like this.

I don't think FPTP is to blame for the Libertarian Party's behavior.

It is completely to blame. I don’t even know why you’d write such a silly comment.

[Ferguson97]

If you guys want to have legitimate, competitive, sane third parties in this country, institute ranked-choice voting. Until that happens, all the third parties will behave like this.

I don't think FPTP is to blame for the Libertarian Party's behavior.

It is completely to blame. I don’t even know why you’d write such a silly comment.

Could you elaborate? I genuinely can't tell if you're joking.

[John Dule]

If you guys want to have legitimate, competitive, sane third parties in this country, institute ranked-choice voting. Until that happens, all the third parties will behave like this.

I don't think FPTP is to blame for the Libertarian Party's behavior.

It is completely to blame. I don’t even know why you’d write such a silly comment.

Could you elaborate? I genuinely can't tell if you're joking.

In a FPTP system, you would have to be stupid, crazy, or unserious to join a third party. Thus the LP (and the Greens and the rest) only attract stupid, crazy, or unserious people. This is why they are and always will be a joke.

[Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy]

https://mobile.twitter.com/AndrewRCraig/status/1569152579535343617?s=20&t=V9...

Apparently there's also a rump MC LPVA Twitter account out there

[Badger]

If you guys want to have legitimate, competitive, sane third parties in this country, institute ranked-choice voting. Until that happens, all the third parties will behave like this.

I don't think FPTP is to blame for the Libertarian Party's behavior.

It is completely to blame. I don’t even know why you’d write such a silly comment.

First past the post voting requires libertarian party to embrace extremism and general nuttiness. Okay, you go with that.

We're only wackos because the political system forces us to!

[Aurelius]

https://mobile.twitter.com/AndrewRCraig/status/1569152579535343617?s=20&t=V9...
Apparently there's also a rump MC LPVA Twitter account out there

Wait, the repeal the 19th people took over the LP?

[Crumpets]

Amazing that the Forward Party isn't even the saddest third party this year.

[John Dule]

If you guys want to have legitimate, competitive, sane third parties in this country, institute ranked-choice voting. Until that happens, all the third parties will behave like this.

I don't think FPTP is to blame for the Libertarian Party's behavior.

It is completely to blame. I don’t even know why you’d write such a silly comment.

First past the post voting requires libertarian party to embrace extremism and general nuttiness. Okay, you go with that.

We're only wackos because the political system forces us to!

What about this are you not comprehending?

[Ferguson97]

If you guys want to have legitimate, competitive, sane third parties in this country, institute ranked-choice voting. Until that happens, all the third parties will behave like this.

I don't think FPTP is to blame for the Libertarian Party's behavior.

It is completely to blame. I don’t even know why you’d write such a silly comment.

First past the post voting requires libertarian party to embrace extremism and general nuttiness. Okay, you go with that.

We're only wackos because the political system forces us to!

What about this are you not comprehending?

To be clear, I buy that a third party could be successful and not have exclusively insane people as members in a system without FPTP.

I just don’t think that the Libertarians would be that party.

[John Dule]

If you guys want to have legitimate, competitive, sane third parties in this country, institute ranked-choice voting. Until that happens, all the third parties will behave like this.

I don't think FPTP is to blame for the Libertarian Party's behavior.

It is completely to blame. I don’t even know why you’d write such a silly comment.

First past the post voting requires libertarian party to embrace extremism and general nuttiness. Okay, you go with that.

We're only wackos because the political system forces us to!

What about this are you not comprehending?

To be clear, I buy that a third party could be successful and not have exclusively insane people as members in a system without FPTP.

I just don’t think that the Libertarians would be that party.

You can call it whatever you want. I have no doubt, however, that in a FPTP system there would be a socially liberal, fiscally conservative, freedom-oriented and pro-market party. It would be a serious institution and not a bunch of LARPers in powdered wigs. It would occasionally win elections, probably most commonly in the House. Whether it actually emerges out of the current Libertarian Party is of zero consequence to me.

[Comrade Funk]

Why bother with the libertarian-to-fascist pipeline when the fascists can just take over the Libertarian Party?

[Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy]

https://mobile.twitter.com/BennettMorris/status/1572405850173755392