Trump's Execution Orders

[Chips]

I mean some of these are bad people....

[Hammy]

Trump seems to only takes joy in the suffering of others, and making sure he's the one responsible. Remember, this is the same person who once bragged he could shoot someone on the street and not lose supporters.

[Suburbia]

The death penalty needs to be abolished.

Why? Does Dylann Roof deserve to walk around after what he did? Execute his ass.

You do a serious crime, you have to do the time.

One pet peeve I have with the left is that they believe that people in jail are good people.

[2952-0-0]

The death penalty needs to be abolished.

Why? Does Dylann Roof deserve to walk around after what he did? Execute his ass.

You do a serious crime, you have to do the time.

One pet peeve I have with the left is that they believe that people in jail are good people.

This is a strawman. Of course he shouldn't be allowed to walk, not that he would last long anyway.

Executing him would create a martyr. The media circus around his execution would lead to white supremacist rallies and give them undeserved attention.

Anders Breivik became a laughing stock after he whined that not having the latest video games was equivalent to torture and threatened to go on hunger strike. The alt-right now view him as pussy. People like them should be given as little attention as possible.

[politics_king]

Muh precedents.

Five people who have been lawfully convicted and sentenced for heinous crimes.  What horror.  Considering Joe Biden openly says he wants to end the death penalty, it only makes sense for a President who supports it to act now, so that justice is served.

The Death Penalty is clearly a violation of the 8th amendment. But of course, crazy people like yourself want an eye for an eye. The Death Penalty is a heinous act by the State to kill someone. Two wrongs don't make it right.

[politics_king]

The death penalty needs to be abolished.

Why? Does Dylann Roof deserve to walk around after what he did? Execute his ass.

You do a serious crime, you have to do the time.

One pet peeve I have with the left is that they believe that people in jail are good people.

No one has said that. I swear people just pull crap straight out their a** to fit some b.s. narrative they want to promote. Spending Life in Prison is plenty. The State should not be executing people, period.

[Mopsus]

Muh precedents.

Five people who have been lawfully convicted and sentenced for heinous crimes.  What horror.  Considering Joe Biden openly says he wants to end the death penalty, it only makes sense for a President who supports it to act now, so that justice is served.

The Death Penalty is clearly a violation of the 8th amendment. But of course, crazy people like yourself want an eye for an eye. The Death Penalty is a heinous act by the State to kill someone. Two wrongs don't make it right.

Every state in America had the death penalty in 1789.

[lfromnj]

Muh precedents.

Five people who have been lawfully convicted and sentenced for heinous crimes.  What horror.  Considering Joe Biden openly says he wants to end the death penalty, it only makes sense for a President who supports it to act now, so that justice is served.

The Death Penalty is clearly a violation of the 8th amendment. But of course, crazy people like yourself want an eye for an eye. The Death Penalty is a heinous act by the State to kill someone. Two wrongs don't make it right.

Every state in America had the death penalty in 1789.

Infact the 5th amendment literally mentions the death penalty.

[Alben Barkley]

Just remember what fate awaits Donald:

"And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever." Revelation 20:10

[Alben Barkley]

Muh precedents.

Five people who have been lawfully convicted and sentenced for heinous crimes.  What horror.  Considering Joe Biden openly says he wants to end the death penalty, it only makes sense for a President who supports it to act now, so that justice is served.

The Death Penalty is clearly a violation of the 8th amendment. But of course, crazy people like yourself want an eye for an eye. The Death Penalty is a heinous act by the State to kill someone. Two wrongs don't make it right.

Every state in America had the death penalty in 1789.

Most states in America had slavery in 1789, too.

Your point?

The Constitution was deliberately designed to be “elastic” so it could bend to fit the norms and morals of future times which the founding fathers knew they could not even imagine.

Some, like Jefferson, thought even that wasn’t enough and that the entire Constitution should be scrapped and re-written from the ground up every 20 years or so.

Ironically, the least “originalist” position of all is the one that has dogmatic, pseudo-religious reverence for the founding fathers and the document they wrote, when these very same people knew exactly how flawed they were and how flawed what they were writing was too.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Muh precedents.

Five people who have been lawfully convicted and sentenced for heinous crimes.  What horror.  Considering Joe Biden openly says he wants to end the death penalty, it only makes sense for a President who supports it to act now, so that justice is served.

The Death Penalty is clearly a violation of the 8th amendment. But of course, crazy people like yourself want an eye for an eye. The Death Penalty is a heinous act by the State to kill someone. Two wrongs don't make it right.

Every state in America had the death penalty in 1789.

Most states in America had slavery in 1789, too.

Your point?

The Constitution was deliberately designed to be “elastic” so it could bend to fit the norms and morals of future times the founding fathers knew they could not even imagine.

Some, like Jefferson, thought even that wasn’t enough and that the entire Constitution should be scrapped and re-written from the ground up every 20 years or so.

Ironically, the least “originalist” position of all is the one that has dogmatic, pseudo-religious reverence for the founding fathers and the document they wrote, when these very same people knew exactly how flawed they were and how flawed what they were writing was too.

This is the text of the 5th amendment :

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

[Alben Barkley]

Muh precedents.

Five people who have been lawfully convicted and sentenced for heinous crimes.  What horror.  Considering Joe Biden openly says he wants to end the death penalty, it only makes sense for a President who supports it to act now, so that justice is served.

The Death Penalty is clearly a violation of the 8th amendment. But of course, crazy people like yourself want an eye for an eye. The Death Penalty is a heinous act by the State to kill someone. Two wrongs don't make it right.

Every state in America had the death penalty in 1789.

Most states in America had slavery in 1789, too.

Your point?

The Constitution was deliberately designed to be “elastic” so it could bend to fit the norms and morals of future times the founding fathers knew they could not even imagine.

Some, like Jefferson, thought even that wasn’t enough and that the entire Constitution should be scrapped and re-written from the ground up every 20 years or so.

Ironically, the least “originalist” position of all is the one that has dogmatic, pseudo-religious reverence for the founding fathers and the document they wrote, when these very same people knew exactly how flawed they were and how flawed what they were writing was too.

This is the text of the 5th amendment :

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

1. We were talking about the eighth amendment.

2. Specifically stating that life is NOT to be deprived of people under certain circumstances is not somehow, perversely, bizarrely a roundabout endorsement of depriving people of life in other circumstances (something that is NEVER endorsed or prescribed by the Constitution).

3. See literally everything else I said about how the Constitution was deliberately designed to be as flexible as possible and how keenly aware of its many flaws the people who wrote it were, MUCH moreso than the insane wacko conservatives who treat them like infallible saints, something that would have made all of them cringe.

[Alben Barkley]

All I can add is this:

Donald Trump is just digging his own grave even deeper. He is just confirming more and more that he will go down in history as THE worst president of all-time. Not the second or third worst, THE worst. He was already at rock bottom, and between moves like this, pardoning Flynn (probably with more corrupt pardons to follow), and attacking the peaceful transition of power, he has GUARANTEED that he is the absolute worst who no one before or since will ever be able to rival in terms of pure evil. He has consistently governed “with malice towards all, with charity towards none,” the exact opposite of Lincoln. These executions are ironically more of a death blow to whatever was left of his reputation and legacy than anything else. Just MORE proof of how petty, spiteful, vindictive, cruel, heartless, egotistical, pathetic, and small this wretched, deranged, miserable little man is. Because make no mistake, not ONE of these executions is about “justice.” Donald Trump is a gigantic pussy who could never bear to look any of the men he sends to death in the eye. This is ALL about him, a far worse man than all of them, as everything is in his twisted narcissistic world.

And by the way, NO, history will NOT look kindly on the fact that the United States continued to practice capital punishment LONG after the rest of the civilized world abandoned it as the barbaric practice it is. So that won’t help either. Biden being the first anti-death penalty president elected in a long time (ever?) doesn’t get enough attention.

[Mopsus]

Muh precedents.

Five people who have been lawfully convicted and sentenced for heinous crimes.  What horror.  Considering Joe Biden openly says he wants to end the death penalty, it only makes sense for a President who supports it to act now, so that justice is served.

The Death Penalty is clearly a violation of the 8th amendment. But of course, crazy people like yourself want an eye for an eye. The Death Penalty is a heinous act by the State to kill someone. Two wrongs don't make it right.

Every state in America had the death penalty in 1789.

Most states in America had slavery in 1789, too.

Your point?

The Constitution was deliberately designed to be “elastic” so it could bend to fit the norms and morals of future times which the founding fathers knew they could not even imagine.

Some, like Jefferson, thought even that wasn’t enough and that the entire Constitution should be scrapped and re-written from the ground up every 20 years or so.

Ironically, the least “originalist” position of all is the one that has dogmatic, pseudo-religious reverence for the founding fathers and the document they wrote, when these very same people knew exactly how flawed they were and how flawed what they were writing was too.

Thomas Jefferson also predicted that violent revolutions against the government would be a regular and necessary occurrence. Bro, if you want to ban the death penalty at the federal level, you can pass a law, or pass a constitutional amendment. There’s your “elasticity”.

[Cassius]

Donald Trump is a cruel man. Nothing so brings so much evil as plain, simple cruelty.

Like cutting a baby out of a pregnant woman or beating a child to death?

There’s nothing to see here other than the usual hand wringing.

[afleitch]

You know, for all the moral chest puffing over being 'pro-life' with no exceptions, forgive me for being an anti-death penalty absolutist and making it one of my moral red lines.

[RFayette 🇻🇦]

Polling consistently shows most Americans support the death penalty, so if someone wants to argue the 8th amendment means something different now than it did in the late 1700's due to changing norms/morals of society, I don't see how one could take it to mean the death penalty is cruel and unusual punishment.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

The death penalty is probably not unconstitutional, but is morally wrong anyway. People in this country have a big problem with thinking that anything immoral must be secretly illegal as well, and vice versa.

[RussFeingoldWasRobbed]

Dems need to choose their battles wisely. These are not worth fighting.

[RussFeingoldWasRobbed]

Donald Trump is a cruel man. Nothing so brings so much evil as plain, simple cruelty.

Like cutting a baby out of a pregnant woman or beating a child to death?

There’s nothing to see here other than the usual hand wringing.

I'm usually against the death penalty but I'm so tired of the death penalty bias against men it's good that a woman will be executed for once.(the first case you mentioned)

[Badger]

Muh precedents.

Five people who have been lawfully convicted and sentenced for heinous crimes.  What horror.  Considering Joe Biden openly says he wants to end the death penalty, it only makes sense for a President who supports it to act now, so that justice is served.

The Death Penalty is clearly a violation of the 8th amendment. But of course, crazy people like yourself want an eye for an eye. The Death Penalty is a heinous act by the State to kill someone. Two wrongs don't make it right.

Every state in America had the death penalty in 1789.

Most states in America had slavery in 1789, too.

Your point?

The Constitution was deliberately designed to be “elastic” so it could bend to fit the norms and morals of future times which the founding fathers knew they could not even imagine.

Some, like Jefferson, thought even that wasn’t enough and that the entire Constitution should be scrapped and re-written from the ground up every 20 years or so.

Ironically, the least “originalist” position of all is the one that has dogmatic, pseudo-religious reverence for the founding fathers and the document they wrote, when these very same people knew exactly how flawed they were and how flawed what they were writing was too.

Thomas Jefferson also predicted that violent revolutions against the government would be a regular and necessary occurrence. Bro, if you want to ban the death penalty at the federal level, you can pass a law, or pass a constitutional amendment. There’s your “elasticity”.

In 1789 iirc crimes permitting application of the death penalty included acts of relatively petty theft and the like. Also I believe in early America flogging and other Corporal acts of punishment - - not simply for slaves - - were permitted as legal sanction for criminal Acts. Surely all but the most fanatic and myopic of originalist should concede that we must acknowledge changing values and standards should apply to having these practices prohibited by the Eighth Amendment.

In short, it's not, nor should it ever be, as simple as just saying "well, the Founder's were okay with this nearly 250 years ago , so it's clearly A-OK today".

[lfromnj]

It may not be A-Ok and it should probably be abolished but that means through a proper legislative  route not just going through the courts to get the policy you desire.

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

The death penalty became a necessity again once we had mobs in our streets every day. Give them something to fear. Show them what happens to criminal scum like them.

[Santander]

The death penalty became a necessity again once we had mobs in our streets every day. Give them something to fear. Show them what happens to criminal scum like them.

[Bojack Horseman]

The death penalty needs to be abolished.

Why? Does Dylann Roof deserve to walk around after what he did? Execute his ass.

You do a serious crime, you have to do the time.

One pet peeve I have with the left is that they believe that people in jail are good people.

Tell me more about how killing the guy changes anything. And please explain to me how we can conduct the death penalty fairly when the state is on a mission to kill people who are actually innocent (Richard Glossip) or where there is serious doubt about their guilt (Troy Davis).