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« Reply #100 on: December 17, 2020, 04:55:37 PM »

Los Angeles County, CA results (by city)
                        Biden        Trump
Beverly Hills   55.07%   43.86%   -19.97%

Dear Lord, what happened here?! Beverly Hills is like the epitome of the white latte liberal city that generally swung to Biden this year. I remember it swinging pretty Republican in 2008 and 2012 but then it swung pretty hard to Hillary in 2016, now only to swing against Biden pretty substantially. What the heck is going on in 90210?! Sad

It's home to lot of Iranian Jews, who I've read tend to like Trump for whatever reason (possibly in part due to him withdrawing from the Iran nuclear deal?) and are probably trending Republican long term too.
 
Plus I don't think Beverley Hills's liberal-left reputation is deserved, it always supports the more 'conservative' candidates in Democratic primaries, Bernie came a poor third in the primary this year (behind Bloomberg) failing to even get 10% in the northern part of the city. Beverley Hills is the kind of place that would be a stronghold of the right in literally any other country and it's only the GOP seemingly going out of their way to put off well-to-do urban voters and the Democrats staying relatively centrist that's keeping it non-Altas-blue. Whilst I think AOC (or a similar type) may well do significantly better in a presidential election than many on the right assume (many Dem trending formally GOP suburbs are not particularly economically right-leaning anymore) Beverley Hills is a good example of a place where she genuinely would lose badly, especially if the Republican nominee was a lot less 'gauche' than Trump.

How did Romney do in Beverly Hills? He was a great fit for very upscale areas.
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« Reply #101 on: December 17, 2020, 04:57:42 PM »

And when you have a chance no rush, Solano County.  Also Alpine, Mono, and Inyo counties which I suspect are pretty easy.
Alpine is one of three counties in California that has no incorporated cities (along with Mariposa and Trinity). Inyo County has not published their statement of the vote yet, but here's Mono and Solano.

MONO COUNTY
Mammoth Lakes
2016: Clinton 61.45% — Trump 30.40% = D+ 31.05
2020: Biden 68.33% — Trump 28.73% = D+ 39.60
SWING: D+ 08.55*
*Write-ins not found for 2016; only included in 2020

SOLANO COUNTY (Write-ins included in both 2016 and 2020)
Benicia
2016: Clinton 64.05% — Trump 26.72% = D+ 37.33
2020: Biden 68.98% — Trump 28.56% = D+ 40.42
SWING: D+ 03.09

Dixon
2016: Clinton 47.98% — Trump 42.81% = D+ 05.17
2020: Biden 50.85% — Trump 46.31% = D+ 04.54
SWING: R+ 00.63

Fairfield
2016: Clinton 62.53% — Trump 29.23% = D+ 33.30
2020: Biden 66.30% — Trump 31.24% = D+ 35.06
SWING: D+ 01.76

Rio Vista
2016: Clinton 51.66% — Trump 41.18% = D+ 10.48
2020: Biden 57.43% — Trump 41.06% = D+ 16.37
SWING: D+ 05.89

Suisun City
2016: Clinton 66.02% — Trump 25.70% = D+ 40.32
2020: Biden 69.76% — Trump 27.54% = D+ 42.22
SWING: D+ 01.90

Vacaville
2016: Clinton 47.78% — Trump 42.49% = D+ 05.29
2020: Biden 51.55% — Trump 45.82% = D+ 05.73
SWING: D+ 00.44

Vallejo
2016: Clinton 75.27% — Trump 18.12% = D+ 57.15
2020: Biden 76.54% — Trump 21.41% = D+ 55.13
SWING: R+ 02.02
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« Reply #102 on: December 17, 2020, 05:03:57 PM »

Los Angeles County, CA results (by city)
                        Biden        Trump
Beverly Hills   55.07%   43.86%   -19.97%

Dear Lord, what happened here?! Beverly Hills is like the epitome of the white latte liberal city that generally swung to Biden this year. I remember it swinging pretty Republican in 2008 and 2012 but then it swung pretty hard to Hillary in 2016, now only to swing against Biden pretty substantially. What the heck is going on in 90210?! Sad

It's home to lot of Iranian Jews, who I've read tend to like Trump for whatever reason (possibly in part due to him withdrawing from the Iran nuclear deal?) and are probably trending Republican long term too.
 
Plus I don't think Beverley Hills's liberal-left reputation is deserved, it always supports the more 'conservative' candidates in Democratic primaries, Bernie came a poor third in the primary this year (behind Bloomberg) failing to even get 10% in the northern part of the city. Beverley Hills is the kind of place that would be a stronghold of the right in literally any other country and it's only the GOP seemingly going out of their way to put off well-to-do urban voters and the Democrats staying relatively centrist that's keeping it non-Altas-blue. Whilst I think AOC (or a similar type) may well do significantly better in a presidential election than many on the right assume (many Dem trending formally GOP suburbs are not particularly economically right-leaning anymore) Beverley Hills is a good example of a place where she genuinely would lose badly, especially if the Republican nominee was a lot less 'gauche' than Trump.

How did Romney do in Beverly Hills? He was a great fit for very upscale areas.
Beverly Hills
2012 (D+ 10.43)
Barack Obama 8,263 (54.28%)
Mitt Romney 6,676 (43.85%)
Gary Johnson 126 (0.83%)
Jill Stein 64 (0.42%)
Roseanne Barr 58 (0.38%)
Thomas Hoefling 36 (0.24%)
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« Reply #103 on: December 17, 2020, 05:05:51 PM »

Los Angeles County, CA results (by city)
                        Biden        Trump
Beverly Hills   55.07%   43.86%   -19.97%

Dear Lord, what happened here?! Beverly Hills is like the epitome of the white latte liberal city that generally swung to Biden this year. I remember it swinging pretty Republican in 2008 and 2012 but then it swung pretty hard to Hillary in 2016, now only to swing against Biden pretty substantially. What the heck is going on in 90210?! Sad

It's home to lot of Iranian Jews, who I've read tend to like Trump for whatever reason (possibly in part due to him withdrawing from the Iran nuclear deal?) and are probably trending Republican long term too.
 
Plus I don't think Beverley Hills's liberal-left reputation is deserved, it always supports the more 'conservative' candidates in Democratic primaries, Bernie came a poor third in the primary this year (behind Bloomberg) failing to even get 10% in the northern part of the city. Beverley Hills is the kind of place that would be a stronghold of the right in literally any other country and it's only the GOP seemingly going out of their way to put off well-to-do urban voters and the Democrats staying relatively centrist that's keeping it non-Altas-blue. Whilst I think AOC (or a similar type) may well do significantly better in a presidential election than many on the right assume (many Dem trending formally GOP suburbs are not particularly economically right-leaning anymore) Beverley Hills is a good example of a place where she genuinely would lose badly, especially if the Republican nominee was a lot less 'gauche' than Trump.

How did Romney do in Beverly Hills? He was a great fit for very upscale areas.

He did slightly worse than Trump. Obama won Beverly Hills by 10.4%, while Biden won it by 11.21%.
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« Reply #104 on: December 17, 2020, 05:16:48 PM »

So here's an update of all the flipped cities we have so far for California.

Trump 2016/Biden 2020
Placerville (El Dorado)
Bradbury (Los Angeles)
La Verne (Los Angeles)
Brea (Orange)
Laguna Hills (Orange)
Laguna Niguel (Orange)
Lake Forest (Orange)
Mission Viejo (Orange)
Banning (Riverside)
Hemet (Riverside)
La Quinta (Riverside)
Lake Elsinore (Riverside)
Palm Desert (Riverside)
Coronado (San Diego)
Poway (San Diego)
Atascadero (San Luis Obispo)
Solvang (Santa Barbara)
Simi Valley (Ventura)

Clinton 2016/Trump 2020
Fountain Valley (Orange)
Westminster (Orange)
Porterville (Tulare)

Missing Data
I've been unable to track down the 2020 city data for all (or some) the following counties:
Alameda County (Emeryville)
Colusa County
Del Norte County
Fresno County (Clovis, Fresno, Kingsburg, Orange Cove, Reedley)
Imperial County
Inyo County
Lassen County
Madera County
Marin County
Merced County
San Joaquin County (Escalon, Lodi)
Sierra County
Sonoma County
Sutter County
Tehama County (Tehama)
If anyone has or can find the city data in these counties, please feel free to share.
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« Reply #105 on: December 17, 2020, 05:36:17 PM »

Emeryville I have following

Biden 90.12% - Trump 7.43% = D+82.69
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« Reply #106 on: December 17, 2020, 10:52:49 PM »

Los Angeles County, CA results (by city)
                        Biden        Trump
Agoura Hills   63.17%   35.03%   3.75%
Alhambra   70.75%   27.42%   -7.02%
Arcadia   59.84%   38.75%   1.74%
Artesia   61.69%   36.26%   -13.66%
Avalon   59.40%   37.89%   9.88%
Azusa   66.72%   30.97%   -5.59%
Baldwin Park   73.61%   24.33%   -15.71%
Bell   78.94%   18.44%   -15.97%
Bell Gardens   80.10%   18.13%   -17.35%
Bellflower   67.15%   30.43%   -7.64%
Beverly Hills   55.07%   43.86%   -19.97%
Bradbury   51.70%   46.90%   5.58%
Burbank   67.63%   30.35%   -1.81%
Calabasas   63.75%   34.52%   -1.06%
Carson   75.09%   23.08%   -10.79%
Cerritos   62.49%   35.82%   -4.46%
Claremont   68.07%   29.83%   1.94%
Commerce   78.35%   19.37%   -12.35%
Compton   86.58%   11.00%   -11.87%
Covina   60.91%   36.95%   -1.00%
Cudahy   80.01%   16.95%   -16.53%
Culver City   83.25%   14.83%   1.51%
Diamond Bar   58.92%   39.54%   -2.14%
Downey   66.52%   31.39%   -9.06%
Duarte   67.07%   31.00%   -3.22%
El Monte   70.28%   27.91%   -17.96%
El Segundo   63.59%    ]33.96%   6.47%
Gardena   75.38%   22.46%   -10.16%
Glendale   58.93%   39.21%   -11.04%
Glendora   48.57%   49.10%   5.82%
Hawaiian Gardens   72.12%   25.30%   -15.91%
Hawthorne   78.28%   19.39%   -9.35%
Hermosa Beach   69.35%   27.89%   4.91%
Hidden Hills   58.33%   40.18%   -3.10%
Huntington Park   80.91%   17.46%   -15.92%
Industry   45.45%   46.59%   -22.30%
Inglewood   88.62%   9.56%   -6.85%
Irwindale   69.78%   29.35%   -10.51%
La Canada Flintridge   62.18%   36.18%   6.11%
La Habra Heights   43.88%   54.49%   6.22%
La Mirada   53.47%   44.57%   -1.36%
La Puente   73.23%   24.28%   -13.96%
La Verne   50.53%   47.52%   3.71%
Lakewood   60.37%   37.45%   1.02%
Lancaster   57.71%   39.54%   5.88%
Lawndale   72.35%   25.30%   -11.09%
Lomita   58.46%   38.86%   1.41%
Long Beach   72.49%   25.01%   -0.67%
Los Angeles   76.56%   21.43%   -6.96%
Lynwood   82.00%   15.10%   -16.71%
Malibu   66.20%   31.85%   0.04%
Manhattan Beach   66.43%   31.14%   3.53%
Maywood   80.02%   17.20%   -17.33%
Monrovia   65.86%   31.71%   3.00%
Montebello   73.96%   23.92%   -9.61%
Monterey Park   68.09%   30.27%   -7.66%
Norwalk   69.27%   28.42%   -11.79%
Palmdale   63.14%   34.56%   -1.53%
Palos Verdes Estates   54.84%   42.94%   6.42%
Paramount   78.32%   19.14%   -14.43%
Pasadena   77.00%   20.84%   0.06%
Pico Rivera   74.81%   23.24%   -12.13%
Pomona   70.82%   26.64%   -9.32%
Rancho Palos Verdes   57.65%   40.15%   6.40%
Redondo Beach   67.56%   30.25%   5.62%
Rolling Hills   43.02%   54.86%   11.77%
Rolling Hills Estates   55.61%   42.58%   8.24%
Rosemead   66.91%   31.62%   -19.95%
San Dimas   50.27%   47.67%   1.66%
San Fernando   76.59%   21.05%   -11.57%
San Gabriel   66.01%   32.08%   -7.53%
San Marino   59.26%   38.71%   5.00%
Santa Clarita   53.07%   44.93%   4.94%
Santa Fe Springs   67.71%   29.82%   -11.32%
Santa Monica   81.45%   16.76%   -1.07%
Sierra Madre   65.89%   31.55%   5.86%
Signal Hill   73.46%   24.26%   1.45%
South El Monte   73.52%   23.81%   -18.53%
South Gate   78.58%   19.08%   -15.62%
South Pasadena   78.98%   18.80%   3.83%
Temple City   59.98%   38.24%   -1.88%
Torrance   60.23%   37.53%   3.27%
Vernon   68.04%   31.96%   -20.17%
Walnut   61.51%   37.04%   -4.44%
West Covina   65.01%   33.23%   -6.67%
West Hollywood   82.20%   16.42%   -6.75%
Westlake Village   57.51%   40.45%   4.79%
Whittier   62.74%   35.01%   -0.50%

I apologize if I made any errors with the colors anywhere. This is a big one.

There are no real surprises here when you look at overall trends everywhere else. Los Angeles County has a great deal of restaurant and retail jobs in the suburban areas that swung towards Trump, so Trump campaigning on re-opening everything probably helped him a great deal. Most of Biden's gains were in areas with higher white populations.

When did Beverly Hills start voting to the right of San Marino?
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« Reply #107 on: December 17, 2020, 10:54:52 PM »

Los Angeles County, CA results (by city)
                        Biden        Trump
Agoura Hills   63.17%   35.03%   3.75%
Alhambra   70.75%   27.42%   -7.02%
Arcadia   59.84%   38.75%   1.74%
Artesia   61.69%   36.26%   -13.66%
Avalon   59.40%   37.89%   9.88%
Azusa   66.72%   30.97%   -5.59%
Baldwin Park   73.61%   24.33%   -15.71%
Bell   78.94%   18.44%   -15.97%
Bell Gardens   80.10%   18.13%   -17.35%
Bellflower   67.15%   30.43%   -7.64%
Beverly Hills   55.07%   43.86%   -19.97%
Bradbury   51.70%   46.90%   5.58%
Burbank   67.63%   30.35%   -1.81%
Calabasas   63.75%   34.52%   -1.06%
Carson   75.09%   23.08%   -10.79%
Cerritos   62.49%   35.82%   -4.46%
Claremont   68.07%   29.83%   1.94%
Commerce   78.35%   19.37%   -12.35%
Compton   86.58%   11.00%   -11.87%
Covina   60.91%   36.95%   -1.00%
Cudahy   80.01%   16.95%   -16.53%
Culver City   83.25%   14.83%   1.51%
Diamond Bar   58.92%   39.54%   -2.14%
Downey   66.52%   31.39%   -9.06%
Duarte   67.07%   31.00%   -3.22%
El Monte   70.28%   27.91%   -17.96%
El Segundo   63.59%    ]33.96%   6.47%
Gardena   75.38%   22.46%   -10.16%
Glendale   58.93%   39.21%   -11.04%
Glendora   48.57%   49.10%   5.82%
Hawaiian Gardens   72.12%   25.30%   -15.91%
Hawthorne   78.28%   19.39%   -9.35%
Hermosa Beach   69.35%   27.89%   4.91%
Hidden Hills   58.33%   40.18%   -3.10%
Huntington Park   80.91%   17.46%   -15.92%
Industry   45.45%   46.59%   -22.30%
Inglewood   88.62%   9.56%   -6.85%
Irwindale   69.78%   29.35%   -10.51%
La Canada Flintridge   62.18%   36.18%   6.11%
La Habra Heights   43.88%   54.49%   6.22%
La Mirada   53.47%   44.57%   -1.36%
La Puente   73.23%   24.28%   -13.96%
La Verne   50.53%   47.52%   3.71%
Lakewood   60.37%   37.45%   1.02%
Lancaster   57.71%   39.54%   5.88%
Lawndale   72.35%   25.30%   -11.09%
Lomita   58.46%   38.86%   1.41%
Long Beach   72.49%   25.01%   -0.67%
Los Angeles   76.56%   21.43%   -6.96%
Lynwood   82.00%   15.10%   -16.71%
Malibu   66.20%   31.85%   0.04%
Manhattan Beach   66.43%   31.14%   3.53%
Maywood   80.02%   17.20%   -17.33%
Monrovia   65.86%   31.71%   3.00%
Montebello   73.96%   23.92%   -9.61%
Monterey Park   68.09%   30.27%   -7.66%
Norwalk   69.27%   28.42%   -11.79%
Palmdale   63.14%   34.56%   -1.53%
Palos Verdes Estates   54.84%   42.94%   6.42%
Paramount   78.32%   19.14%   -14.43%
Pasadena   77.00%   20.84%   0.06%
Pico Rivera   74.81%   23.24%   -12.13%
Pomona   70.82%   26.64%   -9.32%
Rancho Palos Verdes   57.65%   40.15%   6.40%
Redondo Beach   67.56%   30.25%   5.62%
Rolling Hills   43.02%   54.86%   11.77%
Rolling Hills Estates   55.61%   42.58%   8.24%
Rosemead   66.91%   31.62%   -19.95%
San Dimas   50.27%   47.67%   1.66%
San Fernando   76.59%   21.05%   -11.57%
San Gabriel   66.01%   32.08%   -7.53%
San Marino   59.26%   38.71%   5.00%
Santa Clarita   53.07%   44.93%   4.94%
Santa Fe Springs   67.71%   29.82%   -11.32%
Santa Monica   81.45%   16.76%   -1.07%
Sierra Madre   65.89%   31.55%   5.86%
Signal Hill   73.46%   24.26%   1.45%
South El Monte   73.52%   23.81%   -18.53%
South Gate   78.58%   19.08%   -15.62%
South Pasadena   78.98%   18.80%   3.83%
Temple City   59.98%   38.24%   -1.88%
Torrance   60.23%   37.53%   3.27%
Vernon   68.04%   31.96%   -20.17%
Walnut   61.51%   37.04%   -4.44%
West Covina   65.01%   33.23%   -6.67%
West Hollywood   82.20%   16.42%   -6.75%
Westlake Village   57.51%   40.45%   4.79%
Whittier   62.74%   35.01%   -0.50%

I apologize if I made any errors with the colors anywhere. This is a big one.

There are no real surprises here when you look at overall trends everywhere else. Los Angeles County has a great deal of restaurant and retail jobs in the suburban areas that swung towards Trump, so Trump campaigning on re-opening everything probably helped him a great deal. Most of Biden's gains were in areas with higher white populations.

When did Beverly Hills start voting to the right of San Marino?

Asians vs Persian Jews.
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« Reply #108 on: December 17, 2020, 10:59:11 PM »

I understand that.  San Marino has become very Asian, but used to be wealthy WASP Republican, while Beverly Hills was dominated by wealthy liberal Jews prior to the influx of Persian Jews.
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« Reply #109 on: December 18, 2020, 12:54:02 AM »

I understand that.  San Marino has become very Asian, but used to be wealthy WASP Republican, while Beverly Hills was dominated by wealthy liberal Jews prior to the influx of Persian Jews.

Affluent Chinese immigrants and their children do not take kindly to being called a virus by a sitting president and members of said president's party.
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« Reply #110 on: December 18, 2020, 01:25:04 AM »

I understand that.  San Marino has become very Asian, but used to be wealthy WASP Republican, while Beverly Hills was dominated by wealthy liberal Jews prior to the influx of Persian Jews.

Affluent Chinese immigrants and their children do not take kindly to being called a virus by a sitting president and members of said president's party.

I've been trying to make sense of the Asian swings - frankly they don't really make sense to me. My impression is that most Asian immigrants are affluent and highly educated but overall as a group they seem to have swung pretty heavily to Trump? Or did Asians also have a wealth / education divide similar to white voters? I know the Vietnamese are anti-communist so that's part of it, but aren't they a small fraction of the overall Asian vote?

The San Marino swing is actually very curious to me too - are the Asians that live there very different than the ones that live in Santa Clara County?
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« Reply #111 on: December 18, 2020, 02:02:38 AM »

I understand that.  San Marino has become very Asian, but used to be wealthy WASP Republican, while Beverly Hills was dominated by wealthy liberal Jews prior to the influx of Persian Jews.

Affluent Chinese immigrants and their children do not take kindly to being called a virus by a sitting president and members of said president's party.

I've been trying to make sense of the Asian swings - frankly they don't really make sense to me. My impression is that most Asian immigrants are affluent and highly educated but overall as a group they seem to have swung pretty heavily to Trump? Or did Asians also have a wealth / education divide similar to white voters? I know the Vietnamese are anti-communist so that's part of it, but aren't they a small fraction of the overall Asian vote?

The San Marino swing is actually very curious to me too - are the Asians that live there very different than the ones that live in Santa Clara County?

Well yeah. San Marino is probably the wealthiest Asian community in the United States--and it's overwhelmingly Chinese. That's just a fundamentally different constituency than working class Vietnamese voters in Orange County and San Jose.
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« Reply #112 on: December 18, 2020, 02:06:41 AM »

I understand that.  San Marino has become very Asian, but used to be wealthy WASP Republican, while Beverly Hills was dominated by wealthy liberal Jews prior to the influx of Persian Jews.

Affluent Chinese immigrants and their children do not take kindly to being called a virus by a sitting president and members of said president's party.

I've been trying to make sense of the Asian swings - frankly they don't really make sense to me. My impression is that most Asian immigrants are affluent and highly educated but overall as a group they seem to have swung pretty heavily to Trump? Or did Asians also have a wealth / education divide similar to white voters? I know the Vietnamese are anti-communist so that's part of it, but aren't they a small fraction of the overall Asian vote?

The San Marino swing is actually very curious to me too - are the Asians that live there very different than the ones that live in Santa Clara County?

I'm not sure what happened with the overall Asian vote either- there's a lot of disagreement among different exit polls. The precinct data suggests that the overall Asian R swing was smaller than the overall Latino swing, and that the Vietnamese R swing was smaller/less decisive than the Cuban and Tejano R swings. San Marino Asians are overwhelmingly (>80%) ethnic Chinese, while Santa Clara County Asians are mostly Chinese, South Asian, and Vietnamese.

IMO the biggest divide among the Asian American electorate is by age and nativity. Older voters who grew up abroad have consistently been more right-leaning than post-80s birth cohorts and native-borns. The differences in swings/trends you'll see on a precinct map reflect differences in national origin/ethnicity, educational attainment, and occupation.
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« Reply #113 on: December 18, 2020, 02:10:30 AM »

Did Beverly Hills vote to the right of San Marino in 2012?  2008?  2004?  Just curious to know when the shift occurred.
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« Reply #114 on: December 18, 2020, 02:49:45 AM »

I understand that.  San Marino has become very Asian, but used to be wealthy WASP Republican, while Beverly Hills was dominated by wealthy liberal Jews prior to the influx of Persian Jews.

Affluent Chinese immigrants and their children do not take kindly to being called a virus by a sitting president and members of said president's party.

I've been trying to make sense of the Asian swings - frankly they don't really make sense to me. My impression is that most Asian immigrants are affluent and highly educated but overall as a group they seem to have swung pretty heavily to Trump? Or did Asians also have a wealth / education divide similar to white voters? I know the Vietnamese are anti-communist so that's part of it, but aren't they a small fraction of the overall Asian vote?

The San Marino swing is actually very curious to me too - are the Asians that live there very different than the ones that live in Santa Clara County?

I'm not sure what happened with the overall Asian vote either- there's a lot of disagreement among different exit polls. The precinct data suggests that the overall Asian R swing was smaller than the overall Latino swing, and that the Vietnamese R swing was smaller/less decisive than the Cuban and Tejano R swings. San Marino Asians are overwhelmingly (>80%) ethnic Chinese, while Santa Clara County Asians are mostly Chinese, South Asian, and Vietnamese.

IMO the biggest divide among the Asian American electorate is by age and nativity. Older voters who grew up abroad have consistently been more right-leaning than post-80s birth cohorts and native-borns. The differences in swings/trends you'll see on a precinct map reflect differences in national origin/ethnicity, educational attainment, and occupation.

Yeah, that would make sense. Most of the Asian Americans I know were almost all born in the states, college or grad schools educated, speak English as a first language, and are Millennials - much more the profile of voters that swung towards Biden than Trump. I just assumed they were representative of the larger Asian American population, so seeing these Trump swings in heavily Asian communities did surprise me. Although it does look like they still went pretty heavily D (65-75% range), so this also wasn't a RGV type of situation.
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« Reply #115 on: December 18, 2020, 03:11:10 PM »

I understand that.  San Marino has become very Asian, but used to be wealthy WASP Republican, while Beverly Hills was dominated by wealthy liberal Jews prior to the influx of Persian Jews.

Affluent Chinese immigrants and their children do not take kindly to being called a virus by a sitting president and members of said president's party.

I've been trying to make sense of the Asian swings - frankly they don't really make sense to me. My impression is that most Asian immigrants are affluent and highly educated but overall as a group they seem to have swung pretty heavily to Trump? Or did Asians also have a wealth / education divide similar to white voters? I know the Vietnamese are anti-communist so that's part of it, but aren't they a small fraction of the overall Asian vote?

The San Marino swing is actually very curious to me too - are the Asians that live there very different than the ones that live in Santa Clara County?

In Santa Clara County, some Asian majority areas swung by double digits to Trump while some stayed about the same or even swung to Biden. The main difference seems to be education levels and ethnicity. Places like Cupertino and west San Jose, which are wealthier, more educated and the Asian population is predominantly Indian or Chinese barely swung to Trump by a couple points.

 On the other side of the valley in Milpitas, which has a much higher Filipino population and the education and income levels are lower, there was a double digit swing to Trump. The Vietnamese areas in San Jose seem to have experienced an even greater swing towards Trump than Milpitas. Though if you go up to Fremont, which is right adjacent to Milpitas, the swing to Trump is again muted at about 3%. That is another city with higher education and income levels, and more Indians and Chinese vs Filipinos or Vietnamese.
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« Reply #116 on: December 18, 2020, 03:39:32 PM »

I understand that.  San Marino has become very Asian, but used to be wealthy WASP Republican, while Beverly Hills was dominated by wealthy liberal Jews prior to the influx of Persian Jews.

Affluent Chinese immigrants and their children do not take kindly to being called a virus by a sitting president and members of said president's party.

I've been trying to make sense of the Asian swings - frankly they don't really make sense to me. My impression is that most Asian immigrants are affluent and highly educated but overall as a group they seem to have swung pretty heavily to Trump? Or did Asians also have a wealth / education divide similar to white voters? I know the Vietnamese are anti-communist so that's part of it, but aren't they a small fraction of the overall Asian vote?

The San Marino swing is actually very curious to me too - are the Asians that live there very different than the ones that live in Santa Clara County?

I'm not sure what happened with the overall Asian vote either- there's a lot of disagreement among different exit polls. The precinct data suggests that the overall Asian R swing was smaller than the overall Latino swing, and that the Vietnamese R swing was smaller/less decisive than the Cuban and Tejano R swings. San Marino Asians are overwhelmingly (>80%) ethnic Chinese, while Santa Clara County Asians are mostly Chinese, South Asian, and Vietnamese.

IMO the biggest divide among the Asian American electorate is by age and nativity. Older voters who grew up abroad have consistently been more right-leaning than post-80s birth cohorts and native-borns. The differences in swings/trends you'll see on a precinct map reflect differences in national origin/ethnicity, educational attainment, and occupation.

Yeah, that would make sense. Most of the Asian Americans I know were almost all born in the states, college or grad schools educated, speak English as a first language, and are Millennials - much more the profile of voters that swung towards Biden than Trump. I just assumed they were representative of the larger Asian American population, so seeing these Trump swings in heavily Asian communities did surprise me. Although it does look like they still went pretty heavily D (65-75% range), so this also wasn't a RGV type of situation.


I wouldn't have guessed there would be such a big R swing among Vietnamese voters, based on the  college-educated Vietnamese American Millennials and iGens I personally know (many of whom are pursuing postgraduate education). But those people aren't representative of the overall VietAm electorate, which like most Asian groups aside from Japanese skews older and foreign-born.
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« Reply #117 on: December 18, 2020, 03:50:26 PM »

Did Beverly Hills vote to the right of San Marino in 2012?  2008?  2004?  Just curious to know when the shift occurred.
This is the first year it voted to the right of Beverly Hills. Romney carried it by 18%, McCain by 10% and Clinton by about 15% which was when it flipped.
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« Reply #118 on: December 18, 2020, 07:07:00 PM »

I understand that.  San Marino has become very Asian, but used to be wealthy WASP Republican, while Beverly Hills was dominated by wealthy liberal Jews prior to the influx of Persian Jews.

Affluent Chinese immigrants and their children do not take kindly to being called a virus by a sitting president and members of said president's party.

I've been trying to make sense of the Asian swings - frankly they don't really make sense to me. My impression is that most Asian immigrants are affluent and highly educated but overall as a group they seem to have swung pretty heavily to Trump? Or did Asians also have a wealth / education divide similar to white voters? I know the Vietnamese are anti-communist so that's part of it, but aren't they a small fraction of the overall Asian vote?

The San Marino swing is actually very curious to me too - are the Asians that live there very different than the ones that live in Santa Clara County?

In Santa Clara County, some Asian majority areas swung by double digits to Trump while some stayed about the same or even swung to Biden. The main difference seems to be education levels and ethnicity. Places like Cupertino and west San Jose, which are wealthier, more educated and the Asian population is predominantly Indian or Chinese barely swung to Trump by a couple points.

 On the other side of the valley in Milpitas, which has a much higher Filipino population and the education and income levels are lower, there was a double digit swing to Trump. The Vietnamese areas in San Jose seem to have experienced an even greater swing towards Trump than Milpitas. Though if you go up to Fremont, which is right adjacent to Milpitas, the swing to Trump is again muted at about 3%. That is another city with higher education and income levels, and more Indians and Chinese vs Filipinos or Vietnamese.

There seems to be a similar trend in Hispanic areas based on education. Whittier one of the few higher-education, higher-income Latino areas in the country didn't swing to Trump nearly as strongly as other communities.
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« Reply #119 on: December 18, 2020, 09:28:06 PM »

So here's an update of all the flipped cities we have so far for California.

Trump 2016/Biden 2020
Placerville (El Dorado)
Bradbury (Los Angeles)
La Verne (Los Angeles)
Brea (Orange)
Laguna Hills (Orange)
Laguna Niguel (Orange)
Lake Forest (Orange)
Mission Viejo (Orange)
Banning (Riverside)
Hemet (Riverside)
La Quinta (Riverside)
Lake Elsinore (Riverside)
Palm Desert (Riverside)
Coronado (San Diego)
Poway (San Diego)
Atascadero (San Luis Obispo)
Solvang (Santa Barbara)
Simi Valley (Ventura)

Clinton 2016/Trump 2020
Fountain Valley (Orange)
Westminster (Orange)
Porterville (Tulare)

Missing Data
I've been unable to track down the 2020 city data for all (or some) the following counties:
Alameda County (Emeryville)
Colusa County
Del Norte County
Fresno County (Clovis, Fresno, Kingsburg, Orange Cove, Reedley)
Imperial County
Inyo County
Lassen County
Madera County
Marin County
Merced County
San Joaquin County (Escalon, Lodi)
Sierra County
Sonoma County
Sutter County
Tehama County (Tehama)
If anyone has or can find the city data in these counties, please feel free to share.

You should be able to track down the numbers by precinct for most of these Counties, using the County precinct results posted:

Although I haven't really been much a part of the thread, you should be able to locate municipal results by coding against either precinct maps or Municipal Elections to crunch the data for individual cities for most of those Counties listed (Still a few that I haven't yet either tracked down or updated precinct reporting links for).

Some like Del Norte County are notorious for not posting precinct results on their County website. Last time I checked a week or so back couldn't find Sutter County (But on my list bcs of a USAF base).

I was also missing Colusa and Inyo Counties....

https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=412981.msg7770737#msg7770737
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« Reply #120 on: December 18, 2020, 10:00:12 PM »

I understand that.  San Marino has become very Asian, but used to be wealthy WASP Republican, while Beverly Hills was dominated by wealthy liberal Jews prior to the influx of Persian Jews.

Affluent Chinese immigrants and their children do not take kindly to being called a virus by a sitting president and members of said president's party.

I've been trying to make sense of the Asian swings - frankly they don't really make sense to me. My impression is that most Asian immigrants are affluent and highly educated but overall as a group they seem to have swung pretty heavily to Trump? Or did Asians also have a wealth / education divide similar to white voters? I know the Vietnamese are anti-communist so that's part of it, but aren't they a small fraction of the overall Asian vote?

The San Marino swing is actually very curious to me too - are the Asians that live there very different than the ones that live in Santa Clara County?

I'm not sure what happened with the overall Asian vote either- there's a lot of disagreement among different exit polls. The precinct data suggests that the overall Asian R swing was smaller than the overall Latino swing, and that the Vietnamese R swing was smaller/less decisive than the Cuban and Tejano R swings. San Marino Asians are overwhelmingly (>80%) ethnic Chinese, while Santa Clara County Asians are mostly Chinese, South Asian, and Vietnamese.

IMO the biggest divide among the Asian American electorate is by age and nativity. Older voters who grew up abroad have consistently been more right-leaning than post-80s birth cohorts and native-borns. The differences in swings/trends you'll see on a precinct map reflect differences in national origin/ethnicity, educational attainment, and occupation.

Yeah, that would make sense. Most of the Asian Americans I know were almost all born in the states, college or grad schools educated, speak English as a first language, and are Millennials - much more the profile of voters that swung towards Biden than Trump. I just assumed they were representative of the larger Asian American population, so seeing these Trump swings in heavily Asian communities did surprise me. Although it does look like they still went pretty heavily D (65-75% range), so this also wasn't a RGV type of situation.


I wouldn't have guessed there would be such a big R swing among Vietnamese voters, based on the  college-educated Vietnamese American Millennials and iGens I personally know (many of whom are pursuing postgraduate education). But those people aren't representative of the overall VietAm electorate, which like most Asian groups aside from Japanese skews older and foreign-born.

As someone who worked for one of the larger Tech Companies in Silicon Valley, there were many Vietnamese-American Contract workers or Direct Hires (I was a contractor).

My recollection from living and working in the South Bay Area, was that many of the Vietnamese-American workers tended to come from more of a classic "MFG Background", from back in the days when there was a huge manufacturing sector in South Bay, many of which was more closely tied to defense related mfg spin-offs, which effectively still dominated the "South Bay" / "Silicon Valley" area up through the late 1980s / early 1990s.

When I was an undergrad in College, I was part of an (Cool person group doing "Field Research" in California for (20) College Credits with a mixture of both Political Science and Science Credits.

I remember back in the early / mid '90s going upstairs into a building in "downtown" San Jose, and meeting an environmental and labor union activist who ran a non-profit.

She was Asian-American, but introduced us to the nature of the "Toxic Plumes" which had contaminated most of the drinking water of South Bay, as a direct result of both previous Military related MFG, as well as Super-Sites contaminated by the etching from the Semi-Conductor industry which had also contaminated the drinking water.

Silicon Valley historically was always essentially a Military Manufacturing based community, heavily relying on workers who supplied the raw labor, in what for the most part was essentially "Factory Work". A bit later on with the defense jobs gone, many of those same fellow workers transitioned to working in Tech Sector large manufacturing plants.

Although when I was working in South Bay in the early 2010s, there certainly were Vietnamese-American Technicians and Engineers, but generally the higher compensated Asian-American employees tended to be more likely to be Japanese-Americans, as well as Chinese / Taiwanese Americans. Indian-Americans in Silicon Valley at that time, frequently tended to be foreign contract workers under specialized work visa programs, because of a shortage of American workers in the Software sector.

I suspect that as others have mentioned is that Filipino-Americans and Vietnamese-Americans within Silicon Valley tend to be more Working-Class and Blue-Collar, and thus disproportionally impacted by the economic dislocation as Silicon Valley has shifted from a Manufacturing Area to a "Software and Coding area".

Maybe I am totally off-base, but quite frankly the stereotypes regarding Asian-Americans when it comes to "Model Americans", "High Educational Attainment", "Higher Income", etc... quite frankly appears to be a "bunk argument", considering that the Community, regardless of Country of Origin, actually has a significant number of individuals who do not fit neatly into whatever "Little Boxes" Atlas members choose to create.

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« Reply #121 on: December 19, 2020, 01:43:40 PM »

I understand that.  San Marino has become very Asian, but used to be wealthy WASP Republican, while Beverly Hills was dominated by wealthy liberal Jews prior to the influx of Persian Jews.

Affluent Chinese immigrants and their children do not take kindly to being called a virus by a sitting president and members of said president's party.

I've been trying to make sense of the Asian swings - frankly they don't really make sense to me. My impression is that most Asian immigrants are affluent and highly educated but overall as a group they seem to have swung pretty heavily to Trump? Or did Asians also have a wealth / education divide similar to white voters? I know the Vietnamese are anti-communist so that's part of it, but aren't they a small fraction of the overall Asian vote?

The San Marino swing is actually very curious to me too - are the Asians that live there very different than the ones that live in Santa Clara County?

In Santa Clara County, some Asian majority areas swung by double digits to Trump while some stayed about the same or even swung to Biden. The main difference seems to be education levels and ethnicity. Places like Cupertino and west San Jose, which are wealthier, more educated and the Asian population is predominantly Indian or Chinese barely swung to Trump by a couple points.

 On the other side of the valley in Milpitas, which has a much higher Filipino population and the education and income levels are lower, there was a double digit swing to Trump. The Vietnamese areas in San Jose seem to have experienced an even greater swing towards Trump than Milpitas. Though if you go up to Fremont, which is right adjacent to Milpitas, the swing to Trump is again muted at about 3%. That is another city with higher education and income levels, and more Indians and Chinese vs Filipinos or Vietnamese.

There seems to be a similar trend in Hispanic areas based on education. Whittier one of the few higher-education, higher-income Latino areas in the country didn't swing to Trump nearly as strongly as other communities.

Absolutely. La Mirada is another example and in the San Gabriel Valley the perfect example would be Covina.

The differences in the Asian vote in the San Gabriel Valley are astounding as well and there aren't even ethnic differences within the Asian vote to take into account. San Marino (78% college educated) swung to Biden by 5 points and Arcadia (55% college educated) swung to Biden by two points while just down the road, the city of Rosemead (20% College educated and only 66% high school graduates!!) swung to Trump by 20 points!
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« Reply #122 on: December 19, 2020, 01:59:01 PM »

The differences in the Asian vote in the San Gabriel Valley are astounding as well and there aren't even ethnic differences within the Asian vote to take into account. San Marino (78% college educated) swung to Biden by 5 points and Arcadia (55% college educated) swung to Biden by two points while just down the road, the city of Rosemead (20% College educated and only 66% high school graduates!!) swung to Trump by 20 points!

Context- San Marino and Arcadia were both around 58-39 Biden, while Rosemead was like 66-32 Biden. According to Statistical Atlas...

San Marino is 55% Asian (45% ethnic Chinese), 33% Non-Hispanic White, 75% college+, and has a median household income of ~$140k.

Arcadia is 59% Asian (44% ethnic Chinese), 23% Non-Hispanic White, 61% college+, and has a median household income of ~$84k.

Rosemead is 60% Asian (36% ethnic Chinese, 14% Vietnamese), 34% Latino (4% Non-Hispanic White), 22% college+ (34% no HS diploma), and has a median household income of ~$46k.

I'm guessing the Chinese American communities in these cities originate from different immigrant waves. San Marino in particular has a high proportion of self-identified Taiwanese Americans.
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« Reply #123 on: December 19, 2020, 02:12:01 PM »

Rosemead is a bit more Vietnamese than I thought but it still a good example of the differences in voting within different Asian ethnic groups. Education, income, when they moved to the US or if they were born here are all important factors in determining how one votes.
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« Reply #124 on: December 27, 2020, 11:50:26 PM »

KERN COUNTY (Write-ins included in final percentages for both 2016 and 2020)

Arvin
2016: Clinton 79.55% — Trump 15.43% = D+ 64.12
2020: Biden 74.39% — Trump 23.27% = D+ 51.12
SWING: R+ 13.00

Bakersfield
2016: Trump 49.99% — Clinton 43.68% = R+ 06.31
2020: Trump 50.41% — Biden 47.25% = R+ 03.16
SWING: D+ 03.15

California City
2016: Trump 54.81% — Clinton 37.85% = R+ 16.96
2020: Trump 50.56% — Biden 46.52% = R+ 04.04
SWING: D+ 12.92

Delano
2016: Clinton 75.52% — Trump 19.50% = D+ 56.02
2020: Biden 67.89% — Trump 30.29% = D+ 37.60
SWING: R+ 18.42

Maricopa
2016: Trump 82.02% — Clinton 11.67% = R+ 70.35
2020: Trump 80.10% — Biden 17.80% = R+ 62.30
SWING: D+ 08.05

McFarland
2016: Clinton 76.34% — Trump 17.39% = D+ 58.95
2020: Biden 71.42% — Trump 25.96% = D+ 45.46
SWING: R+ 13.49

Ridgecrest
2016: Trump 59.25% — Clinton 29.47% = R+ 29.78
2020: Trump 59.90% — Biden 35.49% = R+ 24.41
SWING: D+ 05.37

Shafter
2016: Clinton 53.64% — Trump 40.64% = D+ 13.00
2020: Biden 49.53% — Trump 48.42% = D+ 01.11
SWING: R+ 11.89

Taft
2016: Trump 79.96% — Clinton 16.81% = R+ 63.15
2020: Trump 79.46% — Biden 18.45% = R+ 61.01
SWING: D+ 02.14

Tehachapi
2016: Trump 62.48% — Clinton 28.65% = R+ 33.83
2020: Trump 63.15% — Biden 33.98% = R+ 29.17
SWING: D+ 04.66

Wasco
2016: Clinton 60.67% — Trump 31.75% = D+ 28.92
2020: Biden 56.57% — Trump 41.03% = D+ 15.54
SWING: R+ 13.38

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*Note: Jo Jorgensen received an usually high 3.46% of the vote in Ridgecrest. I think I saw somewhere that this city was also Gary Johnson's best city in California in 2016 (he got 7.36% of the vote here). Anyone know anything about this place and its libertarian penchant?

Delano really stands out in 2020....

The Birthplace of the United Farm Workers, with the legendary Chicano-American Union Activist Cesar Chavez, who led the struggle for Justice and Dignity to bring the Unions into the Fields and Farms from the Central Valley of California, to the Rio Grande Valley of Texas, not to even mention Tomato Migrant workers in NW Ohio...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delano,_California

I visited Delano, California back in '93/ '94, as part of a small number of College Students (3-4) doing an "Environmental Field Tour", where we met with an older Lady who spoke only in Spanish (Whose daughter had to translate) on the edge of the fields talking about how the poisons from the planes, created death and cancer to the workers in the fields....




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsWn8fv8gKw

https://ufw.org/

Granted the sons and daughters of the Mexican-American Farmworkers from the days of the Bracero Program are now the bosses in the fields and food processing facilities, while meanwhile a large chunk of the agricultural in California are heavily Central-American ( Many of whom's paperwork is out of status), who came as Migras to El Norte.

Regardless, lock-downs, shut-downs, shut down schools, even in the farms and food-processing industries, which creates a direct economic impact in families struggling to survive, who recognize that COVID-19 is real, but yet there is no "bailout" for "essential workers", regardless of Trump's name on a check, which many will never be able to "collect".

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