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Asenath Waite
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« on: December 08, 2020, 02:16:22 PM »

some sort of reductionist populist type?
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« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2020, 02:56:58 PM »

A segregationist who changed their views on race sometime between 1969 and 1983 and became a very liberal Democrat after they changed their views.
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« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2020, 04:21:52 PM »

A segregationist who changed their views on race sometime between 1969 and 1983 and became a very liberal Democrat after they changed their views.

I mean, I know this site regularly quibbles about this, but this type of voter was most likely a very liberal Democrat ALWAYS.  They were simply a liberal Democrat that supported segregation and then one that got over it.  A lot of those people existed, and it's not productive to sweep them under the rug to try to make ideological sorting of the parties into some simple affair.
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« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2020, 04:24:24 PM »

Didn't Wallace actually do reasonably well with working class voters in the Midwest?
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« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2020, 04:47:30 PM »

A segregationist who changed their views on race sometime between 1969 and 1983 and became a very liberal Democrat after they changed their views.

I mean, I know this site regularly quibbles about this, but this type of voter was most likely a very liberal Democrat ALWAYS.  They were simply a liberal Democrat that supported segregation and then one that got over it.  A lot of those people existed, and it's not productive to sweep them under the rug to try to make ideological sorting of the parties into some simple affair.

Especially since economics was probably the area that George Wallace differed the least from Bernie Sanders or Jesse Jackson.
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« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2020, 04:50:59 PM »

Didn't Wallace actually do reasonably well with working class voters in the Midwest?

Yes, and some polling taken after the convention showed him coming in second in the popular vote. Humphrey was able to peel a lot of that back by going after his record on labor issues.
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« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2020, 06:36:10 PM »

A segregationist who changed their views on race sometime between 1969 and 1983 and became a very liberal Democrat after they changed their views.

I mean, I know this site regularly quibbles about this, but this type of voter was most likely a very liberal Democrat ALWAYS.  They were simply a liberal Democrat that supported segregation and then one that got over it.  A lot of those people existed, and it's not productive to sweep them under the rug to try to make ideological sorting of the parties into some simple affair.

Especially since economics was probably the area that George Wallace differed the least from Bernie Sanders or Jesse Jackson.

Exactly.  There were obviously many very conservative Democrats - even on economic issues - that were ardent segregationists, but there were also many who were more liberal on these issues.  The point is that "Southern Democrats" (and, by extension, "segregationists" for much of the Twentieth Century) was a broad term to describe a very ideologically diverse, big tent group.  Even if one wants to maintain that supporting segregation is an inherently "socially 'conservative'" position (I do not agree, but that is beside the point), it does not make all segregationists "conservatives."
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« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2020, 07:19:57 PM »

A segregationist who changed their views on race sometime between 1969 and 1983 and became a very liberal Democrat after they changed their views.

I mean, I know this site regularly quibbles about this, but this type of voter was most likely a very liberal Democrat ALWAYS.  They were simply a liberal Democrat that supported segregation and then one that got over it.  A lot of those people existed, and it's not productive to sweep them under the rug to try to make ideological sorting of the parties into some simple affair.

Especially since economics was probably the area that George Wallace differed the least from Bernie Sanders or Jesse Jackson.

Exactly.  There were obviously many very conservative Democrats - even on economic issues - that were ardent segregationists, but there were also many who were more liberal on these issues.  The point is that "Southern Democrats" (and, by extension, "segregationists" for much of the Twentieth Century) was a broad term to describe a very ideologically diverse, big tent group.  Even if one wants to maintain that supporting segregation is an inherently "socially 'conservative'" position (I do not agree, but that is beside the point), it does not make all segregationists "conservatives."

People forget that that's a dynamic that always exists in one party regions and still does today if you look at the range of Democrats in places like Boston, NYC and Boston.
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« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2020, 11:21:27 PM »

A segregationist who changed their views on race sometime between 1969 and 1983 and became a very liberal Democrat after they changed their views.

I mean, I know this site regularly quibbles about this, but this type of voter was most likely a very liberal Democrat ALWAYS.  They were simply a liberal Democrat that supported segregation and then one that got over it.  A lot of those people existed, and it's not productive to sweep them under the rug to try to make ideological sorting of the parties into some simple affair.

Especially since economics was probably the area that George Wallace differed the least from Bernie Sanders or Jesse Jackson.

Exactly.  There were obviously many very conservative Democrats - even on economic issues - that were ardent segregationists, but there were also many who were more liberal on these issues.  The point is that "Southern Democrats" (and, by extension, "segregationists" for much of the Twentieth Century) was a broad term to describe a very ideologically diverse, big tent group.  Even if one wants to maintain that supporting segregation is an inherently "socially 'conservative'" position (I do not agree, but that is beside the point), it does not make all segregationists "conservatives."

People forget that that's a dynamic that always exists in one party regions and still does today if you look at the range of Democrats in places like Boston, NYC and Boston.Chicago.
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