Do Trump supporters hate democracy?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Yep, yes they do.

[ProgressiveModerate]

I don't believe they hate Democracy; they have a different view on how to protect on what a democracy is and how to protect it. I do think they enable someone though who doesn't champion democracy though, but I don't think them themselves hate Democracy, even if some of their actions weaken what I personally believe to be democracy.

[Alben Barkley]

If they're standing by him now, yep.

[Antonio the Sixth]

American conservatives have always hated democracy and daydreamed about subjecting America to authoritarian rule (at the very least since the days of Franco stan William F. Buckley). For a long time they simply lacked the amount of institutional power and political capital necessary to seriously threaten it. Now, they are coming very close to amassing just enough. They're not quite there yet, hence why GOP officials are begrudgingly doing their jobs in certifying the election. But make no mistake, if trends continue as they are headed, they will soon be ready to strike.

[Alben Barkley]

I don't believe they hate Democracy; they have a different view on how to protect on what a democracy is and how to protect it, and in my view, I think that their ideology doesn't help this democracy.

"A different view of democracy" is a funny way of saying "Elections are fine as long as we always win them no matter how many votes we get or don't get, and anyone who speaks out against Der Fuhrer should be shot." (Last part is literally what one of Trump's lawyers said about Chris Krebs, to say nothing of the threats against election workers and state officials that Trump supporters have been sending out for weeks.)

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Increasingly yes, they do. For an ideology that's allegedly so concerned about "mob rule", Trump-era American conservatism sure is desperate to let a frenzied ideological base run roughshod over America's institutions and traditions.

American conservatives have always hated democracy and daydreamed about subjecting America to authoritarian rule (at the very least since the days of Franco stan William F. Buckley).

The Franco stan was Bozell (who was actually less bad than Buckley was On The Issues), not Buckley. Unless they both were? I don't know a ton about Buckley's attitudes towards politics in other countries.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

There is really no argument here. Trump is blatantly trying to overturn the election and the will of the voters, and most of his supporters are backing him all along the way and would support him being declared President/Ruler for life.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Increasingly yes, they do. For an ideology that's allegedly so concerned about "mob rule", Trump-era American conservatism sure is desperate to let a frenzied ideological base to run roughshod over America's institutions and traditions.

American conservatives have always hated democracy and daydreamed about subjecting America to authoritarian rule (at the very least since the days of Franco stan William F. Buckley).

The Franco stan was Bozell (who was actually less bad than Buckley was On The Issues), not Buckley. Unless they both were? I don't know a ton about Buckley's attitudes towards politics in other countries.

Buckley absolutely was a Franco stan. But you're certainly right that he wasn't the only one.

As he came into adulthood Buckley gradually outgrew the anti-Semitism of his father. While the young Buckley did intervene to break up the engagement between his Jewish friend Tom Guinzburg and his sister Jane, he also came to see political anti-Semitism as toxic. After forming National Review in 1955, Buckley’s relationship to the European right was complicated: He continued to admire Franco as a hero but drew a distinction between fascism (permissible) and outright Nazism (beyond the pale). National Review worked hard to distance itself from openly anti-Semitic publications: In 1958 Buckley circulated a memo declaring that no one who served on the masthead of The American Mercury could also serve on the masthead of National Review.

This anti-anti-Nazism was combined with outright enthusiasm for fascism. In 1957, Buckley declared that “General Franco is an authentic national hero.” James Burnham echoed this sentiment in a 1975 obituary declaring “Francisco Franco was our century’s most successful ruler.” This was one of two celebratory obituaries the magazine devoted to Franco. The other was written by F.R. Buckley (one of Buckley’s brothers) who sang Franco’s praises as “a Spaniard out of the heroic annals of the nation, a giant. He will be truly mourned by Spain because with all his heart and might and soul, he loved his country, and in the vast context of Spanish history, did well by it.”

[AGA]

"We're a Republic, not a Democracy."

[woodley park]

They hate democracy and don't deserve to be pandered to or "won over" by the Biden team. Any official enabling -- or worse yet, outright supporting -- his brazen and unprecedented attacks on democracy deserves to lose their job and never be heard from again. McEnany, Giuliani, Ellis, Powell, Stone, Bannon, and the rest of this rotten bunch should be publicly exiled and shamed for the rest of their lives. They shouldn't even be able to get a job selling sandwiches at Union Station.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

They hate democracy and don't deserve to be pandered to or "won over" by the Biden team.

They deserve to be--indeed, need to be--deradicalized or, in extreme cases, deprogrammed. Biden and his people aren't the right people to try to do that, of course.

[woodley park]

They hate democracy and don't deserve to be pandered to or "won over" by the Biden team.

They deserve to be--indeed, need to be--deradicalized or, in extreme cases, deprogrammed. Biden and his people aren't the right people to try to do that, of course.

There is no de-programming a zombie, sadly. I have relatives that believe in Q Anon and the baseless voter "fraud" conspiracy. I will not even bother engaging them on the issue of politics -- let alone try to hear them out or change their mind. While I will always love my family, I am totally uninterested in whether or not some of them come to approve of Joe Biden as president.

Also, if you're like me, you believe the radicalization is the result of at least a generation of proofing by the right wing's political leadership and messaging. If de-radicalization is going to happen, its not going to happen in a few months or even years.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

That just strikes me as an excuse to stay in a culture war and hatred-based politics mindset rather than a peace-building mindset. I know it's ridiculous to talk about "peace-building" in what should be a prosperous, stable democracy like the US, but I think that's where we are at this point.

[Joe Biden 2024]

Palpatine at least pretended to care about democracy. They can't even do that.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

It's not that "conservatives" (what are they conserving? neurons?) hate democracy simply because it's democracy. ('Democracy' is not yet a snarl word the way 'Communist' or 'Socialist' is, although it's getting there.) They hate 'democracy' (or any sort of representative government) that results in them not being able to abuse others; they want to be able to order things as they like, and they want to be free from any restrictions on how they may do so. (This, by the way, is what I think keeps the abusive business and abusive racist/religious wings on the party together - while the forms of abuse they want to inflict on others differ, they all agree they should be free to harm others and that others should not be allowed to restrict their ability to cause harm.) If they got the results they wanted from democratic government, they'd be fine with it. But the more that democracy "threatens" them with allowing change they don't like, or with consequences for their actions, the more they will oppose it.

[7,052,770]

Yes, you can't really argue that Trump supporters who support overturning the election and installing Trump anyway (which according to polls make up a large majority of people who supported Trump on 11/3) support representative democracy or free elections in any way.

[Frodo]

With all the troubling precedents being set by Trump and his followers, I question whether we will survive as a constitutional representative democracy by the time it reaches its tricentennial in 2076. 

[TomC]

No, they just love winning more.

[Motorcity]

They support democracy for the “right” people. They don’t consider minorities or liberals in general good enough to have the right to vote. Thus their ballots were illegal.

If we went back to Jim Crow and POC couldn’t vote, there wouldn’t be any talk of overturning elections

[Bootes Void]

They support democracy for the “right” people. They don’t consider minorities or liberals in general good enough to have the right to vote. Thus their ballots were illegal.

If we went back to Jim Crow and POC couldn’t vote, there wouldn’t be any talk of overturning elections

Read about FDR business plot, coups are not anything new to the far right even when they are the clear loser

[T'Chenka]

At best, you could say "they like democracy, but they don't prefer it."

[Motorcity]

They support democracy for the “right” people. They don’t consider minorities or liberals in general good enough to have the right to vote. Thus their ballots were illegal.

If we went back to Jim Crow and POC couldn’t vote, there wouldn’t be any talk of overturning elections

Read about FDR business plot, coups are not anything new to the far right even when they are the clear loser

The business plot may not have even happened. Or, it could have been random talk by some rich dudes. The evidence that this was a serious plot is lacking.

Also, it was hush-hush. Any public talk of a coup (either by military or alternate slate of electors) would have been impossible before 2016

[Ronnie]

They support democracy for the “right” people. They don’t consider minorities or liberals in general good enough to have the right to vote. Thus their ballots were illegal.

If we went back to Jim Crow and POC couldn’t vote, there wouldn’t be any talk of overturning elections

I mean, you either support democracy for everyone, or you support it for no one.  If liberals lack the right to vote, then there is no democracy at all.

[Person Man]

"We're a Republic, not a Democracy."

So is Syria and North Korea.

[Non Swing Voter]

https://twitter.com/SenMikeLee/status/1314089207875371008

Yes they do because they genuinely believe they are smarter than everyone else.  Even though all facts, evidence, logic suggests that they are in fact much dumber than the general populace.