If Latinos start voting majority Republican, will Republicans become pro legal/illegal immigration?
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« on: December 04, 2020, 05:01:53 AM »

Curious.
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« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2020, 07:44:13 AM »

Then Illegal immigrate may no longer be major issue among Hispanic.
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« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2020, 08:21:49 AM »

When did the Republican Party ever shift their stance on anything just because certain started voting a against their interests?

Thinking they would is a cuck move.
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« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2020, 08:39:14 AM »

President Ronald DeSantis might soften up a bit on immigration when compared to Donald Trump if I had to guess.
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« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2020, 10:36:36 AM »

My point was actually that if Latinos started voting majority Republican, the reaction from Republican politicians might be "let's bring in lots more Latinos!" in the same way that Republicans argue that this is why presently Democrats want a lot more Latino immigration, both legal and illegal.
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« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2020, 11:41:46 AM »

No, many hard working legal Hispanics obviously appreciate the strong stance against illegal immigration, which explains why Trump did so well this time around.  I'm pretty sure this performance surpassed Bush 2004 levels — New Mexico and Arizona voted to the left mostly because both are increasingly urbanized and native turnout is much higher.
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« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2020, 11:44:22 AM »

The notion that Latinos’ sole political concern is immigration is laughable and demeaning. They are actual voters with economic and social concerns that need to be addressed and appealed to. Latinos are also not a monolithic group - originating from several different nations and some many generations away from where their family moved here. Rhetoric like this is just the most out of touch commentary - HOW DO WE WIN LATINO VOTES?? I KNOW! Ignore their actual concerns and offer to open the border lol
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« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2020, 11:57:00 AM »

If Latinos were already voting majority Republican, the GOP would have zero reason to change anything about their platform. Republicans didn't change their stance on immigration when more Irish-Americans and Italian-Americans starting voting for them. One of the reasons for Latinos voting Republican could be less emphasis on immigration or more support for legal immigration, but if Latinos were already leaning toward them, Republicans wouldn't need to change anything about their strategy unless something bizarre happened like Democrats winning a majority of non-Hispanic whites.
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« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2020, 12:05:56 PM »

The notion that Latinos’ sole political concern is immigration is laughable and demeaning. They are actual voters with economic and social concerns that need to be addressed and appealed to. Latinos are also not a monolithic group - originating from several different nations and some many generations away from where their family moved here. Rhetoric like this is just the most out of touch commentary - HOW DO WE WIN LATINO VOTES?? I KNOW! Ignore their actual concerns and offer to open the border lol

Yeah, this is what the Democratic Party needs to start understanding. If you can't speak about Latino issues without talking about immigration, or black issues without bringing up criminal justice, you're pretty out of touch.
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« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2020, 12:06:24 PM »

Isn’t there good evidence that more RECENT Latino immigrants are the ones voting heavily Democratic?  If there is not, that is certainly the pattern history wants us to look for.  As stated above, the Irish were heavily Democratic in the 1860s because they saw the GOP as the party of “established Americans,” then meaning largely those of English descent and a Protestant faith.  As the established demographic grew to include other White Europeans, including the Irish, the Irish correspondingly felt less of a need to vote as a cohesive bloc anymore.  We saw the same pattern later with Italians, and we will likely see the same pattern with Latinos.  Our grandchildren will almost certainly consider someone with the surname Lopez who has half Latino/half English ancestry to be “generically White.”
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« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2020, 12:08:13 PM »

Sure, just like Republicans starting becoming in favor of raising the minimum wage and taxing the wealthy more when more working class voters started voting Republican. Oh wait...
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« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2020, 12:18:45 PM »

No, many hard working legal Hispanics obviously appreciate the strong stance against illegal immigration, which explains why Trump did so well this time around.  I'm pretty sure this performance surpassed Bush 2004 levels — New Mexico and Arizona voted to the left mostly because both are increasingly urbanized and native turnout is much higher.
Stop it. Latino voters were key to Biden's victory in New Mexico and Arizona.
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« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2020, 01:35:41 PM »

Why bother when they’re voting for them anyway?
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« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2020, 01:47:09 PM »
« Edited: December 04, 2020, 01:53:56 PM by Forumlurker the anti-communist »

No, many hard working legal Hispanics obviously appreciate the strong stance against illegal immigration, which explains why Trump did so well this time around.  I'm pretty sure this performance surpassed Bush 2004 levels — New Mexico and Arizona voted to the left mostly because both are increasingly urbanized and native turnout is much higher.
LATINOS. ARE. NOT. A. MONOLITTTTTHHHHHHHHH

Nuevomexicanos are not like most Arizona Latinos in anything but language!
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« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2020, 02:26:43 PM »

Republicans aren’t still fearmongering about Irish or Italian immigration.
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« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2020, 02:49:01 PM »

This thread is embarassing, I wonder how the sentiment was after the 2004 election
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« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2020, 03:07:00 PM »

This thread is embarassing, I wonder how the sentiment was after the 2004 election
Except they voted straight ticket and not only for Trump

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« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2020, 03:07:54 PM »

It means these voters fully assimilated and immigration ceases to be an issue to them
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« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2020, 03:15:17 PM »

This thread is embarassing, I wonder how the sentiment was after the 2004 election

Pretty much. If they keep trending and revert to the mean on turnout, that’s probably enough to relock Texas, make NV and AZ Titanium Tilt R and make NM only a marginally D state. I think Colorado is too far gone. If otoh, partisanship reverts and participation stays high, AZ and NV will become more like the Michigan and Pennsylvania of the 1992 -2012 period. NM becomes the antiTexas and Texas probably becomes the new tipping point.

Anything else alone will make these states the Kingmakers.


Of course this alone won’t determine what happens next. Kamala might win Arizona by 3 and Nevada by 8 but because she lost Texas and NC by  less than 1 and all the rust belt states by 1-3 and Florida by 2, she could lose with 250. Or maybe things revert back to 2012 patterns. Who knows?
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« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2020, 03:29:03 PM »

No, many hard working legal Hispanics obviously appreciate the strong stance against illegal immigration, which explains why Trump did so well this time around.  I'm pretty sure this performance surpassed Bush 2004 levels — New Mexico and Arizona voted to the left mostly because both are increasingly urbanized and native turnout is much higher.
LATINOS. ARE. NOT. A. MONOLITTTTTHHHHHHHHH

Nuevomexicanos are not like most Arizona Latinos in anything but language!

That's true, but neither are white people, or black people, or Asians, or natives.... and yet we are, continuing to make assumptions about them too.
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« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2020, 03:38:15 PM »

No, many hard working legal Hispanics obviously appreciate the strong stance against illegal immigration, which explains why Trump did so well this time around.  I'm pretty sure this performance surpassed Bush 2004 levels — New Mexico and Arizona voted to the left mostly because both are increasingly urbanized and native turnout is much higher.
LATINOS. ARE. NOT. A. MONOLITTTTTHHHHHHHHH

Nuevomexicanos are not like most Arizona Latinos in anything but language!

That's true, but neither are white people, or black people, or Asians, or natives.... and yet we are, continuing to make assumptions about them too.
True but with white voters usually we make distinctions.
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