Josh Hawley claims that "woke capitalists" are into Marxism

[Hope For A New Era]

Yep, that's Missouri for you. This state's entire population collectively shares one brain cell.

[Torie]

100% correct. Dems are Goldman Sachs with a rainbow flag. GOP is now the working class party.

I was wondering why I switched teams. Now I know. Thanks!

[Tiger08]

Hawley is more MAGA than me and I am probably to the left of him on racial issues, but I think I know what he means. He views the "woke" left's view on race/Critical Race Theory (DiAngelo, Kendi, etc) as characterized by an oppressed vs oppressor paradigm that dominates every sphere of life and society (like Marx's economic paradigm)

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

LMAO...but it would be nice to have more support for small businesses and people who want to start them!  That's what capitalism needs to return to, especially after this plague mess.  I don't want to live in Demolition Man where every restaurant is Taco Bell.

[Indy Texas 🇺🇦🇵🇸]

He’s meaning Marxist from a cultural sense which basically means people who want to destroy a nations culture what people like the 1619 project want to do .

I'm no fan of the 1619 project but what exactly is "American" culture? Part of the appeal of this country has always been that we don't just have one overarching culture.

"America was built on slavery and white supremacy."

"No it wasn't! How dare you disrespect America!"

"Okay, then let's take down this statue idolizing a person who defended slavery."

"NO! YOU'RE DESTROYING AMERICA'S HERITAGE!"

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

He’s meaning Marxist from a cultural sense which basically means people who want to destroy a nations culture what people like the 1619 project want to do .

I'm no fan of the 1619 project but what exactly is "American" culture? Part of the appeal of this country has always been that we don't just have one overarching culture.

"America was built on slavery and white supremacy."

"No it wasn't! How dare you disrespect America!"

"Okay, then let's take down this statue idolizing a person who defended slavery."

"NO! YOU'RE DESTROYING AMERICA'S HERITAGE!"

Still think instead of just tearing these down, put them all in a "museum of shame" so people can learn from the past, and how things have changed for the better...and change more.

And leave Lincoln's statues alone.

[Former President tack50]

He is right in calling out corporate liberals as woke capitalists.

He is wrong in saying that woke politics are Marxist. If anything, he comes closer to Marxism (denouncing capitalism and woke capitalists) than said corporate liberals

[RINO Tom]

He’s meaning Marxist from a cultural sense which basically means people who want to destroy a nations culture what people like the 1619 project want to do .

I'm no fan of the 1619 project but what exactly is "American" culture? Part of the appeal of this country has always been that we don't just have one overarching culture.

"America was built on slavery and white supremacy."

"No it wasn't! How dare you disrespect America!"

"Okay, then let's take down this statue idolizing a person who defended slavery."

"NO! YOU'RE DESTROYING AMERICA'S HERITAGE!"

When the people you disagree with are simpletons, and you simplify your argument down to meme status, they win.

To celebrate America's history and honor our Founding Fathers to the point that we look past their flaws (including inaction on slavery or even owning slaves) is NOT to pretend we haven't messed up as a country here or there.

[Mr. Matt]

(self-made)

[Mopsus]

They’re Marxists who read that under capitalism all that is solid melts into air and said “wtf I’m pro-capital now”

[It’s so Joever]

I agree!
Major healthcare corporations and lobbyists pushing for tax cuts are Marxist commies!
Same goes for virus truthers and climate change deniers who want to bring back the USSR! God bless America!

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Sean Duffy's daughter, who appears to be pursuing the Ben and Abby Shapiro "right-wing grifter from college onwards" career track, recently wrote an op-ed decrying "the Left" for various worrying signs about the thematic fidelity of an Amazon Prime Tolkien adaptation--because if there's one thing leftists love it's Amazon! I think at this point we just have to accept that "capitalists we don't like are communists in a spiritual sense, only we're all too sinful to see it" is the standard Republican position now.

"Well, yes, but..."

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[💥💥 brandon bro (he/him/his)]

Isn't this guy supposed to be some sort of intelligent rising star?

You don't need to be intelligent to be a rising star.

The language here is probably too narrow and effective to win the support Hawley needs in a crowded primary field/media ecosystem (how many seniors even know what "woke" means) but the general idea here will be effective. It's a marriage of (genuine) economic anxiety and social disaffection - the exact balance will vary from person to person but people will respond more to a message that ties these two together than two disjoint attacks.

[Person Man]

What the hell is this?  

From the First Letter to the Elliot Countians:

Or do you not know that  my opponents will not be America? Do not be deceived: Neither the liberals nor capitalists nor Marxists nor Neoliberals nor the woke nor  the non populist conservative will be America. And that is what some of you were.  But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Trump and by the Spirit of the WWC.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Lmao 🤣 and this guy is supposed to be some future star?

He is overrated imo, and will fall flat during his presidential bid like most rising stars usually tend to do actually(Obama being the one exception).

Ron DeSantis, Haley, Rubio are easily stronger candidate and will be the main contenders imo (And at the end I think the primary will be DeSantis vs Haley). The reason is Haley as her own wing while Hawley will have a lot more competition including from DeSantis who is easily a stronger candidate .

[Person Man]

Lmao 🤣 and this guy is supposed to be some future star?

He is overrated imo, and will fall flat during his presidential bid like most rising stars usually tend to do actually(Obama being the one exception).

Ron DeSantis, Haley, Rubio are easily stronger candidate and will be the main contenders imo (And at the end I think the primary will be DeSantis vs Haley). The reason is Haley as her own wing while Hawley will have a lot more competition including from DeSantis who is easily a stronger candidate .

I could see Haley getting it if Trump doesn’t run or in 2028 if he does. She definitely wins if DeSantis, Scott, Hawley, and Cotton all run but Rubio doesn’t. She will either win by quickly uniting the neocons and the anti abortion people or win when Trumpism is on the defensive.

I think she probably loses by slightly more than Trump in 2024, but probably wins in 2028.

[💥💥 brandon bro (he/him/his)]

Haley sucks and will do worse than Rubio did in 2016. The GOP has dropped the pretense of being interested in being a Serious Party with Serious Politicians. Trump showed that all you need to do to be wildly successful with 60 million people is make grumbling noises about whatever cultural fights and symbolism makes people angry. The boxes that milquetoast establishment careerist Beltway insider loser Haley checks are more likely to hurt than help.

Hawley still reeks of opportunism and careerism but he's smart and capable enough to seek a distinct national profile beyond "Mitt Romney but with a different face".

[R.P. McM]

If Marxism means sending all out jobs to "Marxist" countries like China and Vietnam, then yes.

Scare quotes are definitely necessary. Because having worked with a number of Vietnamese immigrants, it's difficult to imagine a group more diametrically at odds with the precepts of Marxism. And we aren't talking about political dissidents — no, these folks were raised with a healthy respect for Uncle Ho.

[R.P. McM]

Hawley's problem is that he fully supports his party's pro-corporate agenda. So in terms of actually delivering for the white working-class, he can't offer his constituents anything approaching the Democratic agenda. Instead, he has to rely on fear and resentment — i.e., the fear of insidious "Marxists." Hawley's constituents are justifiably distrustful of moneyed elites. Unfortunately, Hawley is unwilling to cease rubber-stamping the policy preferences of the plutocrats. So what's left? Pretend the folks upon which I keep lavishing largesse are part of some malevolent cabal that I actually oppose. Not really, but my voters are probably dumb enough to swallow it.

[TopShelfGoal]

This guy is desperately trying to put on an act of being a populist. He is an elite who is trying desperately to put on a populist mask that relates with the little people. The man went to prep school, then went to Stanford, then to Yale, then worked at an elite law firm in DC and then became a professor sitting in his ivory tower. The man has been in the most elite spaces possible his entire life which is why his populist act rings so put on and desperate. He is a populist drag queen.

[Yellowhammer]

Lmao 🤣 and this guy is supposed to be some future star?

He is overrated imo, and will fall flat during his presidential bid like most rising stars usually tend to do actually(Obama being the one exception).

Ron DeSantis, Haley, Rubio are easily stronger candidate and will be the main contenders imo (And at the end I think the primary will be DeSantis vs Haley). The reason is Haley as her own wing while Hawley will have a lot more competition including from DeSantis who is easily a stronger candidate .

I can 100% guarantee you that Hawley would outrun Haley and Rubio in any national Republican primary.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Lmao 🤣 and this guy is supposed to be some future star?

He is overrated imo, and will fall flat during his presidential bid like most rising stars usually tend to do actually(Obama being the one exception).

Ron DeSantis, Haley, Rubio are easily stronger candidate and will be the main contenders imo (And at the end I think the primary will be DeSantis vs Haley). The reason is Haley as her own wing while Hawley will have a lot more competition including from DeSantis who is easily a stronger candidate .

I can 100% guarantee you that Hawley would outrun Haley and Rubio in any national Republican primary.

Hed have to get past DeSantis first  and thats likely not happening as DeSantis is the much stronger populist republican candidate.

So DeSantis will probably own that lane causing Hawley to fizzle out

[Red Velvet]

You just need to replace every mention of “capitalism” to “Marxism” or “socialism” in Karl Marx theories and these people would all be really into it. It’s amazing how they can have such a strong anticapitalist speech but such hatred of the label “Marxism”, shows how effective brainwash and propaganda is.

If that helps implementing the policies that will lead to more social well being, I don’t mind calling capitalism socialism now, or calling socialism the new capitalism. The idea is what is important, not the name. Just feed these people with Marx ideas and teach them to be good capitalists.

[Red Velvet]

LMAO...but it would be nice to have more support for small businesses and people who want to start them! That's what capitalism needs to return to, especially after this plague mess.  I don't want to live in Demolition Man where every restaurant is Taco Bell.

Nonsense! Sounds very anticapitalist of you...

Companies have the right to compete FREELY, with no government interference. This collectivist message of yours assumes smaller companies don’t have the means to get themselves off the ground based on their own effort. If they really put their blood into the work, they would be able to compete with Taco Bell. You can’t treat these companies as if they were so incapable that they need more help, such victimization is offensive and assumes they’re lazy.

You need to remind yourself of the great teachings of great capitalist warriors like Margaret Thatcher. You can’t advocate socialism for smaller companies like you’re doing while everyone else enjoys the benefits of capitalism. Otherwise, you should consider moving to Cuba, you’d fit right in.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

LMAO...but it would be nice to have more support for small businesses and people who want to start them! That's what capitalism needs to return to, especially after this plague mess.  I don't want to live in Demolition Man where every restaurant is Taco Bell.

Nonsense! Sounds very anticapitalist of you...

Companies have the right to compete FREELY, with no government interference. This collectivist message of yours assumes smaller companies don’t have the means to get themselves off the ground based on their own effort. If they really put their blood into the work, they would be able to compete with Taco Bell. You can’t treat these companies as if they were so incapable that they need more help, such victimization is offensive and assumes they’re lazy.

You need to remind yourself of the great teachings of great capitalist warriors like Margaret Thatcher. You can’t advocate socialism for smaller companies like you’re doing while everyone else enjoys the benefits of capitalism. Otherwise, you should consider moving to Cuba, you’d fit right in.

There is a vast gulf between lassiez-faire capitalism and socialism. In the 19th century, contrary to a lot of historiography, there very much was a nationalist concept to business and supporting free enterprise but only to the extent that it benefited the nation and curtailing it when it didn't. This protectionist based pro-business nationalism dovetailed nicely with the developmental capitalism used to power the nations growth to being the number one economy in the world. Granted we are in different times now, but the point remains that not everything short of lassiez-faire is socialism.