(Christians only) Is sodomy a sinful behavior?

[Wikipedia delenda est]

As in the specific acts that would fall under the definition of "sodomy", regardless of the sex of the participants.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

the specific acts that would fall under the definition of "sodomy",

Well, the definition of those acts hasn't been historically constant, has it? About all that's been consistent about the definition of sodomy is that it's always a category of sex acts and usually includes anal sex.

[Donerail]

Yes, obviously. Sodomy is forbidden in the Bible because it disturbs the digestive and excretioniary system, which is the source of one's feeling of being rooted in reality. When this system (referred to as the root chakra in Hinduism) is disturbed (whether because of indigestion or other means), one is much more open to manipulation by malicious spiritual and worldly forces. Thus homosexual and heterosexual sodomy are normalized by Hollywood and pornography, both of which exist primarily to manipulate the psyche of the masses.

All of this must be understood by both sides of the heteronormativity debate.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

There's no such thing as sinful consensual sexual behavior between two people who are married.

(And not saying it is for consensual behavior between people who are not married but that's a whole other question.)

[Mad Deadly Worldwide Communist Gangster Computer God]

Yes, obviously. Sodomy is forbidden in the Bible because it disturbs the digestive and excretioniary system, which is the source of one's feeling of being rooted in reality. When this system (referred to as the root chakra in Hinduism) is disturbed (whether because of indigestion or other means), one is much more open to manipulation by malicious spiritual and worldly forces. Thus homosexual and heterosexual sodomy are normalized by Hollywood and pornography, both of which exist primarily to manipulate the psyche of the masses.

All of this must be understood by both sides of the heteronormativity debate.

I don't know. I've heard that it can relieve constipation.

(I know this isn't serious.)

[Wikipedia delenda est]

the specific acts that would fall under the definition of "sodomy",

Well, the definition of those acts hasn't been historically constant, has it? About all that's been consistent about the definition of sodomy is that it's always a category of sex acts and usually includes anal sex.

It probably has changed over time, but in the current year the Catholic Church, of which you are a member, regards homosexual sex as sinful and calls on gay people to live a chaste life (I couldn't find anything on sodomy itself): https://www.catholic.com/tract/homosexuality. By the way, I wonder if they would make an exception for intercrural sex, the "gay male missionary position" of Ancient Greece.

Yes, obviously. Sodomy is forbidden in the Bible because it disturbs the digestive and excretioniary system, which is the source of one's feeling of being rooted in reality. When this system (referred to as the root chakra in Hinduism) is disturbed (whether because of indigestion or other means), one is much more open to manipulation by malicious spiritual and worldly forces. Thus homosexual and heterosexual sodomy are normalized by Hollywood and pornography, both of which exist primarily to manipulate the psyche of the masses.

All of this must be understood by both sides of the heteronormativity debate.

I don't know. I've heard that it can relieve constipation.

(I know this isn't serious.)

As someone with irritable syndrome with constipation, maybe I should consider it then .

[Clarko95 📚💰📈]

Sinfully delightful.

[John Dule]

the specific acts that would fall under the definition of "sodomy",

Well, the definition of those acts hasn't been historically constant, has it?

simple: peepee in poopoo

[afleitch]

Take Two:

It's pleasurable (that good enough?)

To be honest, a lot of conservative interpretations of religion don't really like vaginal sex if there's a hint of deriving the slightest bit of enjoyment from it. So I don't see why this is in a different category if you're that repressed.

And if you're going to raise 'sodomy' as an issue, expect a frank and forthcoming response from those who do it as part of their deep physical love for their partner. So no policing please.

[°Leprechaun]

I'm not going to vote in this ridiculous poll. I am certainly glad that I don't call myself "Christian".
It seems like half of Christians believe, for whatever reason, that this behavior is "sinful".
The anti-gay sentiment at this site is rather insane, of course.

So, in the minds of some so called "Christians", this is sinful, but only if your a "Christian". The question of the poll strongly implies this obviously. So, if you like this activity it is strongly recommended that you don't be a Christian.

Meanwhile Trump, popular among these kinds of "Christians" can kill, lie, cheat, steal and have more normal intimacy with a porn star and cover it up, and that's all right with them.

edit: and of course, in the minds of some Christians, sex itself is "original sin". (that was the message of the movie, "Inherit the Wind") So, if "Christians" want to be consistent they would stop having children, which would do wonders for the overpopulation problem.

[Mopsus]

Yes, obviously. Sodomy is forbidden in the Bible because it disturbs the digestive and excretioniary system, which is the source of one's feeling of being rooted in reality. When this system (referred to as the root chakra in Hinduism) is disturbed (whether because of indigestion or other means), one is much more open to manipulation by malicious spiritual and worldly forces. Thus homosexual and heterosexual sodomy are normalized by Hollywood and pornography, both of which exist primarily to manipulate the psyche of the masses.

All of this must be understood by both sides of the heteronormativity debate.

I don't know. I've heard that it can relieve constipation.

Yeah, but that’s just because of the prep.

[𝕭𝖆𝖕𝖙𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖆 𝕸𝖎𝖓𝖔𝖑𝖆]

I'm not going to vote in this ridiculous poll. I am certainly glad that I don't call myself "Christian".
It seems like half of Christians believe, for whatever reason, that this behavior is "sinful".
The anti-gay sentiment at this site is rather insane, of course.

So, in the minds of some so called "Christians", this is sinful, but only if your a "Christian". The question of the poll strongly implies this obviously. So, if you like this activity it is strongly recommended that you don't be a Christian.

Meanwhile Trump, popular among these kinds of "Christians" can kill, lie, cheat, steal and have more normal intimacy with a porn star and cover it up, and that's all right with them.

edit: and of course, in the minds of some Christians, sex itself is "original sin". (that was the message of the movie, "Inherit the Wind") So, if "Christians" want to be consistent they would stop having children, which would do wonders for the overpopulation problem.

Wow

The OP explicitly states "regardless of the sex of participants".

No one said that this is sinful only if you are a Christian.
The thread title says "Christians only" because the question is directed only to Christians, not because it is implied that this behaviour is sinful only when committed by Christians.

There is no proof that the people who voted Yes like Trump? Also when did Trump kill?

Inherit The Wind is a film that uses a fictionalized version of the Scopes Monkey Trial as a metaphor to condemn McCarthyism. What does it have to do with sex? And I don't see Christians saying that procreative sex is bad or sinful.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

I'm not going to vote in this ridiculous poll. I am certainly glad that I don't call myself "Christian".
It seems like half of Christians believe, for whatever reason, that this behavior is "sinful".
The anti-gay sentiment at this site is rather insane, of course.

So, in the minds of some so called "Christians", this is sinful, but only if your a "Christian". The question of the poll strongly implies this obviously. So, if you like this activity it is strongly recommended that you don't be a Christian.

Meanwhile Trump, popular among these kinds of "Christians" can kill, lie, cheat, steal and have more normal intimacy with a porn star and cover it up, and that's all right with them.

edit: and of course, in the minds of some Christians, sex itself is "original sin". (that was the message of the movie, "Inherit the Wind") So, if "Christians" want to be consistent they would stop having children, which would do wonders for the overpopulation problem.

Wow

The OP explicitly states "regardless of the sex of participants".

No one said that this is sinful only if you are a Christian.
The thread title says "Christians only" because the question is directed only to Christians, not because it is implied that this behaviour is sinful only when committed by Christians.

There is no proof that the people who voted Yes like Trump? Also when did Trump kill?

Inherit The Wind is a film that uses a fictionalized version of the Scopes Monkey Trial as a metaphor to condemn McCarthyism. What does it have to do with sex? And I don't see Christians saying that procreative sex is bad or sinful.

To be fair, "actually all sex is kinda bad" is an attested, and in some eras has been a widespread, position in Christian moral theology. It's just not currently prevalent in any otherwise orthodox denomination.

[𝕭𝖆𝖕𝖙𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖆 𝕸𝖎𝖓𝖔𝖑𝖆]

I'm not going to vote in this ridiculous poll. I am certainly glad that I don't call myself "Christian".
It seems like half of Christians believe, for whatever reason, that this behavior is "sinful".
The anti-gay sentiment at this site is rather insane, of course.

So, in the minds of some so called "Christians", this is sinful, but only if your a "Christian". The question of the poll strongly implies this obviously. So, if you like this activity it is strongly recommended that you don't be a Christian.

Meanwhile Trump, popular among these kinds of "Christians" can kill, lie, cheat, steal and have more normal intimacy with a porn star and cover it up, and that's all right with them.

edit: and of course, in the minds of some Christians, sex itself is "original sin". (that was the message of the movie, "Inherit the Wind") So, if "Christians" want to be consistent they would stop having children, which would do wonders for the overpopulation problem.

Wow

The OP explicitly states "regardless of the sex of participants".

No one said that this is sinful only if you are a Christian.
The thread title says "Christians only" because the question is directed only to Christians, not because it is implied that this behaviour is sinful only when committed by Christians.

There is no proof that the people who voted Yes like Trump? Also when did Trump kill?

Inherit The Wind is a film that uses a fictionalized version of the Scopes Monkey Trial as a metaphor to condemn McCarthyism. What does it have to do with sex? And I don't see Christians saying that procreative sex is bad or sinful.

To be fair, "actually all sex is kinda bad" is an attested, and in some eras has been a widespread, position in Christian moral theology. It's just not currently prevalent in any otherwise orthodox denomination.

Ah I understand. However that is not very relevant to tmc's post.
I also forgot to say that there is a lot to qualm about "overpopulation problem".

[afleitch]

I mean tcumsa's dirge aside, this is a ridiculous poll and flat out offensive to people to whom it forms part of their own sex life, that it even gets asked as a semi serious question. I'm admittedly in a pissy mood for other reasons today but I'm sick of these sorts of judgement polls on this board in particular.

[°Leprechaun]

I mean tcumsa's dirge aside, this is a ridiculous poll and flat out offensive to people to whom it forms part of their own sex life, that it even gets asked as a semi serious question. I'm admittedly in a pissy mood for other reasons today but I'm sick of these sorts of judgement polls on this board in particular.

I agree.

The point of my "rant" was simple. Get your minds on what's really important instead of
worrying about things that are none of your business anyway.

I don't know how many people still think that sex = original sin, but the point is that people
have a weird obsession with other peoples' personal lives.

This is the second idiotic poll, the previous one was about how pornography is demonic.

edit: and lets not forget this problem some people have with gay marriage is rather absurd.
Marriage is supposed to be about monogamy (not that a lot of people don't cheat), so you think people that have an issue with sex would want to encourage monogamy.

[zoz]

I'm not going to vote in this ridiculous poll. I am certainly glad that I don't call myself "Christian".
It seems like half of Christians believe, for whatever reason, that this behavior is "sinful".
The anti-gay sentiment at this site is rather insane, of course.

So, in the minds of some so called "Christians", this is sinful, but only if your a "Christian". The question of the poll strongly implies this obviously. So, if you like this activity it is strongly recommended that you don't be a Christian.

Meanwhile Trump, popular among these kinds of "Christians" can kill, lie, cheat, steal and have more normal intimacy with a porn star and cover it up, and that's all right with them.

edit: and of course, in the minds of some Christians, sex itself is "original sin". (that was the message of the movie, "Inherit the Wind") So, if "Christians" want to be consistent they would stop having children, which would do wonders for the overpopulation problem.

Wow

The OP explicitly states "regardless of the sex of participants".

No one said that this is sinful only if you are a Christian.
The thread title says "Christians only" because the question is directed only to Christians, not because it is implied that this behaviour is sinful only when committed by Christians.

There is no proof that the people who voted Yes like Trump? Also when did Trump kill?

Inherit The Wind is a film that uses a fictionalized version of the Scopes Monkey Trial as a metaphor to condemn McCarthyism. What does it have to do with sex? And I don't see Christians saying that procreative sex is bad or sinful.

To be fair, "actually all sex is kinda bad" is an attested, and in some eras has been a widespread, position in Christian moral theology. It's just not currently prevalent in any otherwise orthodox denomination.

I'm pretty sure the only people who taught that sex was evil were heretics who were refuted by the Church

[°Leprechaun]

I'm not going to vote in this ridiculous poll. I am certainly glad that I don't call myself "Christian".
It seems like half of Christians believe, for whatever reason, that this behavior is "sinful".
The anti-gay sentiment at this site is rather insane, of course.

So, in the minds of some so called "Christians", this is sinful, but only if your a "Christian". The question of the poll strongly implies this obviously. So, if you like this activity it is strongly recommended that you don't be a Christian.

Meanwhile Trump, popular among these kinds of "Christians" can kill, lie, cheat, steal and have more normal intimacy with a porn star and cover it up, and that's all right with them.

edit: and of course, in the minds of some Christians, sex itself is "original sin". (that was the message of the movie, "Inherit the Wind") So, if "Christians" want to be consistent they would stop having children, which would do wonders for the overpopulation problem.

Wow

The OP explicitly states "regardless of the sex of participants".

No one said that this is sinful only if you are a Christian.
The thread title says "Christians only" because the question is directed only to Christians, not because it is implied that this behaviour is sinful only when committed by Christians.

There is no proof that the people who voted Yes like Trump? Also when did Trump kill?

Inherit The Wind is a film that uses a fictionalized version of the Scopes Monkey Trial as a metaphor to condemn McCarthyism. What does it have to do with sex? And I don't see Christians saying that procreative sex is bad or sinful.

To be fair, "actually all sex is kinda bad" is an attested, and in some eras has been a widespread, position in Christian moral theology. It's just not currently prevalent in any otherwise orthodox denomination.

I'm pretty sure the only people who taught that sex was evil were heretics who were refuted by the Church

IIRC a lot of this goes back to Augustine, who certainly was no heretic:

He had a personal experience for which I think he felt shame:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustine_of_Hippo#Childhood_and_education

As for his views on sex:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustine_of_Hippo#Sexuality

I wrote a dissertation on Augustine's theology 40 years ago, so my memory of his theology is not perfect.

Augustine also came up with the oxymoron on just war, which haunts us to this day:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustine_of_Hippo#Just_war

[𝕭𝖆𝖕𝖙𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖆 𝕸𝖎𝖓𝖔𝖑𝖆]

I mean tcumsa's dirge aside, this is a ridiculous poll and flat out offensive to people to whom it forms part of their own sex life, that it even gets asked as a semi serious question. I'm admittedly in a pissy mood for other reasons today but I'm sick of these sorts of judgement polls on this board in particular.

I mean I am not a fan of these polls either, but they are legitimate questions about existing religious beliefs? You can argue that said religious beliefs are inherently offensive but that's broader than the poll per se.

[Wikipedia delenda est]

I mean tcumsa's dirge aside, this is a ridiculous poll and flat out offensive to people to whom it forms part of their own sex life, that it even gets asked as a semi serious question. I'm admittedly in a pissy mood for other reasons today but I'm sick of these sorts of judgement polls on this board in particular.

Well, the reason it's a semi-serious question is because religious leaders have made it so. Complain to them, not me. I don't think it should be an issue either, but sadly I'm not able to control those things. Given that, I don't see what's wrong with polling Atlas on a topic like this that has often proved divisive among Christians.

I'm not going to vote in this ridiculous poll. I am certainly glad that I don't call myself "Christian".
It seems like half of Christians believe, for whatever reason, that this behavior is "sinful".
The anti-gay sentiment at this site is rather insane, of course.

So, in the minds of some so called "Christians", this is sinful, but only if your a "Christian". The question of the poll strongly implies this obviously. So, if you like this activity it is strongly recommended that you don't be a Christian.

Meanwhile Trump, popular among these kinds of "Christians" can kill, lie, cheat, steal and have more normal intimacy with a porn star and cover it up, and that's all right with them.

edit: and of course, in the minds of some Christians, sex itself is "original sin". (that was the message of the movie, "Inherit the Wind") So, if "Christians" want to be consistent they would stop having children, which would do wonders for the overpopulation problem.

Wow

The OP explicitly states "regardless of the sex of participants".

No one said that this is sinful only if you are a Christian.
The thread title says "Christians only" because the question is directed only to Christians, not because it is implied that this behaviour is sinful only when committed by Christians.

There is no proof that the people who voted Yes like Trump? Also when did Trump kill?

Inherit The Wind is a film that uses a fictionalized version of the Scopes Monkey Trial as a metaphor to condemn McCarthyism. What does it have to do with sex? And I don't see Christians saying that procreative sex is bad or sinful.

To be fair, "actually all sex is kinda bad" is an attested, and in some eras has been a widespread, position in Christian moral theology. It's just not currently prevalent in any otherwise orthodox denomination.

I'm pretty sure the only people who taught that sex was evil were heretics who were refuted by the Church

RIP Albigensianism. At least my CK2 Catharist Kingdom of Sardinia and Corsica will live on in my heart.

[afleitch]

I mean tcumsa's dirge aside, this is a ridiculous poll and flat out offensive to people to whom it forms part of their own sex life, that it even gets asked as a semi serious question. I'm admittedly in a pissy mood for other reasons today but I'm sick of these sorts of judgement polls on this board in particular.

I mean I am not a fan of these polls either, but they are legitimate questions about existing religious beliefs? You can argue that said religious beliefs are inherently offensive but that's broader than the poll per se.

What I'm saying is that people could hold their tongue and consider the bigger picture of the implications of the discussion they are having. It boggles my mind that anal sex is in any way a religious question.

[°Leprechaun]

"Well, the reason it's a semi-serious question is because religious leaders have made it so. Complain to them, not me. I don't think it should be an issue either, but sadly I'm not able to control those things. Given that, I don't see what's wrong with polling Atlas on a topic like this that has often proved divisive among Christians."

The problem is with anyone that would vote "yes" in this poll, no so much with the poll itself.

..and also with anyone who would call pornography "demonic" which sounds like something Pat Robertson would say. (and it is humorous, by the way, that even he thinks Trump's "I won" delusion is ridiculous https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5UnClxnVvA see 4:49 in video)

[𝕭𝖆𝖕𝖙𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖆 𝕸𝖎𝖓𝖔𝖑𝖆]

I mean tcumsa's dirge aside, this is a ridiculous poll and flat out offensive to people to whom it forms part of their own sex life, that it even gets asked as a semi serious question. I'm admittedly in a pissy mood for other reasons today but I'm sick of these sorts of judgement polls on this board in particular.

Well, the reason it's a semi-serious question is because religious leaders have made it so. Complain to them, not me. I don't think it should be an issue either, but sadly I'm not able to control those things. Given that, I don't see what's wrong with polling Atlas on a topic like this that has often proved divisive among Christians.

Because you can sound like your intention is to ignite flames, like a guy who brings up some painful past episode at a dinner with friends just to see them have a row.

As I said, these are legitimate questions, but I think I agree with afleitch that you could, ahem, refrain your curiosity.

[°Leprechaun]

I mean tcumsa's dirge aside, this is a ridiculous poll and flat out offensive to people to whom it forms part of their own sex life, that it even gets asked as a semi serious question. I'm admittedly in a pissy mood for other reasons today but I'm sick of these sorts of judgement polls on this board in particular.

Well, the reason it's a semi-serious question is because religious leaders have made it so. Complain to them, not me. I don't think it should be an issue either, but sadly I'm not able to control those things. Given that, I don't see what's wrong with polling Atlas on a topic like this that has often proved divisive among Christians.

Because you sound like your intention is to ignite flames, like a guy who brings up some painful past episode at a dinner with friends just to see them have a row.

Perhaps that is why the average poster comes to this site (whether they are willing to admit it or not).

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

I'm not going to vote in this ridiculous poll. I am certainly glad that I don't call myself "Christian".
It seems like half of Christians believe, for whatever reason, that this behavior is "sinful".
The anti-gay sentiment at this site is rather insane, of course.

So, in the minds of some so called "Christians", this is sinful, but only if your a "Christian". The question of the poll strongly implies this obviously. So, if you like this activity it is strongly recommended that you don't be a Christian.

Meanwhile Trump, popular among these kinds of "Christians" can kill, lie, cheat, steal and have more normal intimacy with a porn star and cover it up, and that's all right with them.

edit: and of course, in the minds of some Christians, sex itself is "original sin". (that was the message of the movie, "Inherit the Wind") So, if "Christians" want to be consistent they would stop having children, which would do wonders for the overpopulation problem.

Wow

The OP explicitly states "regardless of the sex of participants".

No one said that this is sinful only if you are a Christian.
The thread title says "Christians only" because the question is directed only to Christians, not because it is implied that this behaviour is sinful only when committed by Christians.

There is no proof that the people who voted Yes like Trump? Also when did Trump kill?

Inherit The Wind is a film that uses a fictionalized version of the Scopes Monkey Trial as a metaphor to condemn McCarthyism. What does it have to do with sex? And I don't see Christians saying that procreative sex is bad or sinful.

To be fair, "actually all sex is kinda bad" is an attested, and in some eras has been a widespread, position in Christian moral theology. It's just not currently prevalent in any otherwise orthodox denomination.

I'm pretty sure the only people who taught that sex was evil were heretics who were refuted by the Church

"Actually all sex is kinda bad" isn't by any means a position that's been exclusive to heretics. The idea that the sexual faculty was inherently suspect even if used non-sinfully was common enough in the Middle Ages that even in the Summa, which errs on the side of leniency on sexual morality by the standards of its time, we get takes like "making out before marriage is a mortal sin" (II-II Q. 154 Art. 4) and "having sex is a 'hindrance to virtue' even if the sex act in question isn't sinful" (II-II Q. 153 Art. 2). The authorities cited for the former take are Matthew 5 and Cyprian, the authorities cited for the latter are Augustine and Jerome. If these authorities aren't orthodox then the term has no meaning.

I'm not answering the poll question because wording this question this way, framing it as a yes/no choice, and then polling people on it does not strike me as conducive to a charitable or discerning discussion. But I am going to address demonstrable untruths, and it's demonstrably untrue that the mainstream of Christian orthodoxy has always supported the "Sex Positivity, But Catholic" attitudes of your typical NFP instructor in 2020.