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« on: November 29, 2020, 10:40:52 PM »
« edited: November 30, 2020, 02:09:17 AM by morgankingsley »

My vote is for Zachary Taylor.

He is the ONLY one i frequently forget even exists
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« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2020, 03:13:50 AM »

William Henry Harrison.

The dudes biggest accomplishment in office was dying.
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« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2020, 03:32:53 AM »

William Henry Harrison.

The dudes biggest accomplishment in office was dying.

But that, being the first case, created the vice president precedent.
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« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2020, 03:52:53 AM »

William Henry Harrison.

The dudes biggest accomplishment in office was dying.

But that, being the first case, created the vice president precedent.
But that wasn’t an accomplishment of his own accord.
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« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2020, 06:02:11 AM »

William Henry Harrison.

The dudes biggest accomplishment in office was dying.

But that, being the first case, created the vice president precedent.
But that wasn’t an accomplishment of his own accord.

The thread is "who was the most inconsequential," not "who accomplished the least."
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« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2020, 10:02:32 AM »

How about James Garfield since his tenure was short AND he wasn’t the first president to die in office (or even the first to be assassinated)? I guess he had the distinction of being the only person to go directly from the House to the presidency going for him.
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« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2020, 05:41:02 PM »

William Henry Harrison.

The dudes biggest accomplishment in office was dying.

But that, being the first case, created the vice president precedent.
But that wasn’t an accomplishment of his own accord.

The thread is "who was the most inconsequential," not "who accomplished the least."


Well, I can forget mentioning Calvin Coolidge then.  He was the person who mostly presided over the events that led to the Great Depression.
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« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2020, 07:08:40 PM »

If the full termers,probably Chester Alan Arthur.
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« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2020, 10:44:18 PM »

William Henry Harrison.

The dudes biggest accomplishment in office was dying.

But that, being the first case, created the vice president precedent.
But that wasn’t an accomplishment of his own accord.

The thread is "who was the most inconsequential," not "who accomplished the least."


Well, I can forget mentioning Calvin Coolidge then.  He was the person who mostly presided over the events that led to the Great Depression.

This has long been quite the oversimplification that GOP Presidents of the 1920s practically single-handedly engineered a worldwide Great Depression through their conservative economic policies alone, lol.
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« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2020, 10:46:40 PM »

William Henry Harrison.

The dudes biggest accomplishment in office was dying.

But that, being the first case, created the vice president precedent.
But that wasn’t an accomplishment of his own accord.

The thread is "who was the most inconsequential," not "who accomplished the least."


Well, I can forget mentioning Calvin Coolidge then.  He was the person who mostly presided over the events that led to the Great Depression.

This has long been quite the oversimplification that GOP Presidents of the 1920s practically single-handedly engineered a worldwide Great Depression through their conservative economic policies alone, lol.

How is it an oversimplification?
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« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2020, 10:51:22 PM »

William Henry Harrison.

The dudes biggest accomplishment in office was dying.

But that, being the first case, created the vice president precedent.
But that wasn’t an accomplishment of his own accord.

The thread is "who was the most inconsequential," not "who accomplished the least."


Well, I can forget mentioning Calvin Coolidge then.  He was the person who mostly presided over the events that led to the Great Depression.

This has long been quite the oversimplification that GOP Presidents of the 1920s practically single-handedly engineered a worldwide Great Depression through their conservative economic policies alone, lol.

How is it an oversimplification?


Because the Great Depression is a complicated thing that can't be boiled down to "low taxes and low regulation cause world to go to hell" as a matter of principle?
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« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2020, 11:03:37 PM »
« Edited: December 15, 2020, 11:18:09 PM by Frank »

William Henry Harrison.

The dudes biggest accomplishment in office was dying.

But that, being the first case, created the vice president precedent.
But that wasn’t an accomplishment of his own accord.

The thread is "who was the most inconsequential," not "who accomplished the least."


Well, I can forget mentioning Calvin Coolidge then.  He was the person who mostly presided over the events that led to the Great Depression.

This has long been quite the oversimplification that GOP Presidents of the 1920s practically single-handedly engineered a worldwide Great Depression through their conservative economic policies alone, lol.

How is it an oversimplification?


Because the Great Depression is a complicated thing that can't be boiled down to "low taxes and low regulation cause world to go to hell" as a matter of principle?

Hiding behind 'it's complicated' is a dodge.  A lack of regulations or of enforcement are the cause of many problems despite the lies from right wing economic websites.

Market failures are real.  When these right wing economic websites deny their existence, they should not be taken seriously.

Lack of regulations led to the enormous buying of stocks on margin that led to the Great Depression.  The resulting stock market crash was then exacerbated by the inability to print money due to being on the Gold Standard, but that came after the stock market crash (Several crashes actually.)  

Deregulating led to the Savings and Loan Debacle of the 1980s and failure to regulate caused the Great Recession of 2008.  I don't know how many more examples people need to finally learn.

The capital gains tax cuts of the mid 1990s most likely led to the dot.com boom and then bust in 2000, but that's allegedly more debatable.
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« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2020, 11:11:35 AM »

Regulations, taxes high and low, etc. are virtually irrelevant to the real economy.
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« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2020, 02:43:06 PM »

Regulations, taxes high and low, etc. are virtually irrelevant to the real economy.

What is the 'real economy'?
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« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2020, 02:46:28 PM »

Regulations, taxes high and low, etc. are virtually irrelevant to the real economy.

What is the 'real economy'?


The best metric to measure in a capitalist economy to determine this is always profitability.
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« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2020, 02:48:53 PM »

Regulations, taxes high and low, etc. are virtually irrelevant to the real economy.

What is the 'real economy'?


The best metric to measure in a capitalist economy to determine this is always profitability.


How do regulations and taxes not effect this? 

For instance, leaving aside corporate income taxes, property and payroll taxes are levied on companies whether they earn a profit or not.
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« Reply #16 on: December 26, 2020, 08:01:31 AM »

Garfield.
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« Reply #17 on: December 26, 2020, 11:21:11 AM »

William Henry Harrison by default.

Garfield did very good work on civil service reform in his short time in office, not sure why he's been said multiple times.
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« Reply #18 on: December 26, 2020, 12:22:48 PM »

Yeah, the answer is obviously William Henry Harrison, whose presidency had little impact on American history & the course thereof precisely because of his short, insignificant tenure.
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« Reply #19 on: December 26, 2020, 12:53:42 PM »

Not exactly fair to single out Old Tippecanoe. He had a condition that's extremely common: being dead. I'd like to see any one of the haters try governing a country for a day while dead.

Alas, none of you can or would be bold enough to try. It makes you think.
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« Reply #20 on: December 26, 2020, 12:59:29 PM »

Yeah, the answer is obviously William Henry Harrison, whose presidency had little impact on American history & the course thereof precisely because of his short, insignificant tenure.
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« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2021, 12:41:46 PM »

that guy who was POTUS for a month
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« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2021, 04:00:31 PM »

William Henry Harrison.

The dudes biggest accomplishment in office was dying.

But that, being the first case, created the vice president precedent.
But that wasn’t an accomplishment of his own accord.

The thread is "who was the most inconsequential," not "who accomplished the least."


Well, I can forget mentioning Calvin Coolidge then.  He was the person who mostly presided over the events that led to the Great Depression.

This has long been quite the oversimplification that GOP Presidents of the 1920s practically single-handedly engineered a worldwide Great Depression through their conservative economic policies alone, lol.

How is it an oversimplification?


Because the Great Depression is a complicated thing that can't be boiled down to "low taxes and low regulation cause world to go to hell" as a matter of principle?

Hiding behind 'it's complicated' is a dodge.  A lack of regulations or of enforcement are the cause of many problems despite the lies from right wing economic websites.

Market failures are real.  When these right wing economic websites deny their existence, they should not be taken seriously.

Lack of regulations led to the enormous buying of stocks on margin that led to the Great Depression.  The resulting stock market crash was then exacerbated by the inability to print money due to being on the Gold Standard, but that came after the stock market crash (Several crashes actually.)  

Deregulating led to the Savings and Loan Debacle of the 1980s and failure to regulate caused the Great Recession of 2008.  I don't know how many more examples people need to finally learn.

The capital gains tax cuts of the mid 1990s most likely led to the dot.com boom and then bust in 2000, but that's allegedly more debatable.

I would argue that a major cause of the Great Depression was Europe's response to the economic dislocations caused by the Great War, principally, but not entirely, the pig-headed attempts by European countries to return to the gold standard as if the inflation that had occurred during the war had never happened.  It wasn't the gold standard itself that was at fault, but that the value of most currencies were pegged too high.
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